I hate inning/pitch counts

Despite all his rage, he lives in a big batting cage
Putting Peter Gammons' talents to good use

Tomorrow kicks off the international player signing period, so get ready for the next wave of unbelievably overpaid and overhyped prospects!

Triple-A Scranton (12-1 win over Ottawa)
Justin Christian: 4 for 6, 3 R, 2 3B, 4 RBI, 1 SB – 12 for 38 with 11 runs scored since being promoted
Juan Franica: 1 for 6, 1 R, 2 RBI, 1 K
Kevin Reese: 3 for 5, 2 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K – 11 RBI in his last 9 games
Shelley Duncan: 1 for 6, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 1 K – 2 doubles, 1 triple, 3 HR & 13 RBI in his last 11 games
Angel Chavez: 2 for 6, 1 R, 1 3B
Andy Cannizaro: 1 for 3, 1 R, 2 BB, 1 K
Omir Santos: 2 for 4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 BB
Raul Chavez: 3 for 5, 2 R, 1 K – played 1B today after manning 3B in 3 of his last 4 games
Steven White: 8 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 1 HB, 1 E (missed catch) – 19 baserunners in last 20.1 IP

Double-A Trenton (9-1 win over Harrisburg)
Brett Gardner: 3 for 5, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 K – on pace for only 4 more XBH than last year
Alberto Gonzalez: 2 for 5, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI
Cody Ehlers: 2 for 3, 2 R, 1 RBI, 1 BB – 11 for his last 31 (.356)
Matt Carson: 1 for 4, 1 R, 1 HR, 5 RBI – 5 RBI in previous 10 games
Colin Curtis: 0 for 4, 2 K – 2 for 24 with 5 K in Trenton
JT LaFountain: 1 for 4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 K
Mini-Moose Kennedy: 5 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 9 K – 3 straight starts of exactly 5 IP? yeah, he’s now on an inning/pitch count…
Jeff Kennard: 2 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 WP
Tim Lavigne: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K – throw out his June 17th stinker, and he’s allowed only 1 H & 1 BB in 7 IP since moving into relief

High-A Tampa (5-0 loss to Clearwater) 12 LOB as a team…
Reggie Corona: 1 for 4, 1 BB
Austin Jackson: 2 for 4, 1 2B, 1 BB – that’s 6 multi-hit games in 10 contests with Tampa
Jose Tabata: 0 for 5, 2 K – breaks 3 game multi-hit streak (and 7 gamer overall)
Marcos Vechionacci: 2 for 4
Frankie Cervelli: 0 for 4, 1 K - 7 for his last 54 (.130)
Anthony Claggett: 4 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 2 K – 33 baserunners & 15 ER allowed in last 13.1 IP…
Elvys Quezada: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K

Low-A Charleston (14-4 loss to Rome)
Seth Fortenberry: 2 for 3, 1 R, 1 K – threw a runner out at first
Brandon Ketron: 1 for 2, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI – just up from Staten Island, where he went hitless in 7 AB…
Eduardo Nunez: 1 for 4, 1 E (fielding) - that’s error number 24…in 65 games…and he was an all-star!!!
Josue Calzado: 0 for 1, 1 BB – taken out admist the choas…
Ivan Nova: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K – not sure why he left so early…
Edgar Soto: 1 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 0-3 GB/FB – wait, it gets worse…
Brady Martinez: 1.2 IP, 10 H, 10 R, 10 ER, 2 BB, 1 K – ERA before this game: 3.19, ERA after this game: 5.40
Ferdin Tejeda: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 HB – 18-2 K/BB ratio

Short Season Staten Island (7-5 win over Hudson Valley)
Taylor Holiday: 1 for 5, 2 RBI, 2 K – played against a guy who was his teammate 2 weeks ago at the College World Series
Damon Sublett: 1 for 4, 1 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI
David Williams: 0 for 3, 1 HBP – 1 for his last 12 after 12 for previous 27
Justin Snyder: 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 BB
James LaSala: 1 for 2, 1 R, 1 E (throwing) – baserunners stole 4 bags off him
Angel Reyes: 1.1 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 1 Balk – lowers his BBper9 with SI to 24.94…I wish that was a typo
Phil Bartleski: 2.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K
Ryan Zink: 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 9-2 GB/FB – keep your eye on this guy, he woulda been a 3rd rounder last year, but needed TJ and fell the Yanks in the 17th round this year as he rehabbed…

Rookie GCL Yanks had a scheduled off day.

Despite all his rage, he lives in a big batting cage
Putting Peter Gammons' talents to good use
  • JP

    Just curious, why isn’t Fortenberry considered a frontline prospect? I remember BA had him listed with the best arm in the system, has nice HR power for a CF’r and hits for decent average. Any idea what’s holding him back?

  • felixpanther

    who is Brady Martinez?

  • The Scout

    Good point in the title and the line about Kennedy. The Yankee philosophy is to build up a starting pitcher’s arm strength over time to avoid injury. (See the Phil Hughes pitch count last year.) The problem with that theory is, as the interesting NY Times Magazine piece several weeks back on Kerry Wood pointed out, when the young pitchers reach the majors, they tend to tire over the course of the season or when they go deep into games. Then they are prone to injury.

    It isn’t clear yet whether it makes more sense to push the workload sooner to build arm strength in the minors. I’m curious whether anyone has compared organizations that use different approaches to see whether data support one or the other. But that’s an acadmeic issue for the moment. The Yankees are clearly committed to the gradualist approach. Look for Kennedy and Joba to be kept on a short leash in their first full professional season.

    Interestingly, the Yankees seem to take a different stance with older prospects and second-tier prospects. Is this just my perception or do these other guys get to throw more pitches?

  • Zack

    Whatever you do, don’t go read the LoHud blog, Pete Abe is at his high-horse, don’t give me stats or minor league players worst. Ugh, its amzing how all reports seemingly have no use for either

  • Malcard89

    Isnt Fortenberry like 3 years too old for his league? They should move him up fast if they want anything from him in the future.

  • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    RE: Pitch counts
    Alot of the so-called “second tier” pitching prospects aren’t held to strict counts; Steven White threw over 100 pitches tonight, as did Chase Wright last night (maybe it was 2 nights ago). Matty DeSalvo threw over 120 back in May I believe. It’s hypocritical to let them go while the “prized” arms are kept under wraps.

    The whole concept seems counter-productive to me. How can you possibly expect a pitcher to come up to the bigs and be effective down the stretch (ie when he’s needed most) when he’s been programmed into a 80-pitch/5-inning guy for all of his career up to that point? Just let the guys pitch already.

    RE: Fortenberry
    He is a bit old for his league, and I’m not really surprised that he’s tearing it up. I consider college competition to be somewhere between Low-A and High-A, so Fortenberry’s actually playing against inferior competition than he did in school (especially at a big time school like Baylor). He should really be in Tampa, but there isn’t much room in the OF there, unless they do something with Tim Battle.

    RE: LoHud
    I check into LoHud for the facts only. Not for nothing, but Pete should stick to reporting and let others do the analysis.

  • Yankee Fan in Chicago

    I’m not a true believer by any means re Gardner, but the dude did slug .492 in June, with a .942 ops.

  • Tommy

    Count me in favor of the limited pitch counts. Ask Paul Wilson what he thinks of it. Guys are going to be coddled now, and I think that’s much better than the alternative.

    My problem is they are coddled all the way up to the majors, and then the managers in the majors seem to throw it out the window. Homer Bailey went 114 in his first start – that is just the stupidest thing ever done. Felix Hernandez also was left in an inning too many by Hargrove a number of times a couple of years ago.

    I’d like to know how the likes of Steven White, Sean Henn, Chien Ming-Wang, Danny Borrell, etc, etc, etc were handled before this new Yankees era of really limiting guys.

    As Baseball Prospectus wrote in their 2004 book, “look around the Yankees system and you see more scalpel marks than in a whole season of ER”

    Also, I know none of them were “A” prospects really, but did every single player in the Randy Johnson and Gary Sheffield trades have to simultaneously shit the bed?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

    How can you take out Kennedy? He struck out nine and hadn’t allowed a goddamn hit! I mean, if you want to keep certain guys on a pitch count and limit their innings increases from year-to-year, I can understand that. Research has shown correlations between innings increases and injury. However, we don’t know the extent to which this really applies, so we shouldn’t take it as god. If a guy is cruising like Kennedy was, you let him keep rolling.

    As Mike has said, it’s like lifting weights. To complete the analogy, Kennedy had just done two sets of 180 on the bench press — but he could easily have done more sets at more weight. So instead of finishing there and calling it day, he should have upped the weight at the point because he could. By not doing that, he didn’t improve his strength at all. Which is a shame, because he pitched so damn well.