Comments on: Pardon me while I throw up a little bit http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:34:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: steve http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18475 steve Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:32:37 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18475 "If you’re going to blame anyone, you have to put the crosshairs on A-Rod for his ill-advised, bush league “Ha!” that started the whole debacle with Toronto." od course, Roger could have NOT retaliated. or they could have had Farnsworth do it. or, they could have simply used the rotation laid out above by jon. this has nothing to do with A-Rod. they could have appealed. i don't know why they didn't, but i bet it is b/c Roger has a minor, nagging injury. “If you’re going to blame anyone, you have to put the crosshairs on A-Rod for his ill-advised, bush league “Ha!” that started the whole debacle with Toronto.”

od course, Roger could have NOT retaliated. or they could have had Farnsworth do it.

or, they could have simply used the rotation laid out above by jon.

this has nothing to do with A-Rod. they could have appealed.

i don’t know why they didn’t, but i bet it is b/c Roger has a minor, nagging injury.

]]> By: jon http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18468 jon Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:51:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18468 The point isn't that the off day would count as a game for the suspension - it would allow Clemens to skip a turn and not have anyone pitch on 3 days' rest. The next off day is the 23rd. So you have: Clemens - 8/14 Hughes - 8/15 Mussina - 8/16 Pettitte - 8/17 Wang - 8/18 Clemens - 8/19 [ Clemens drops appeal, starts serving 8/20] Hughes - 8/20 Mussina - 8/21 Pettitte 8/22 Off-Day 8/23 Wang - 8/24 (one extra day of rest) Hughes - 8/25 (normal rest) [ Clemens done with 5 game suspension] Clemens - 8/26 (6 days rest, apparently he needs it) Mussina - 8/27 (5 days rest) Pettitte - 8/28 (5 days rest) Wang - 8/29 (back to normal now, repeat) So you've got 3 of the 5 with 5 days rest, and one with normal rest, and Clemens with 6. You have to wait until the off-day, because otherwise Hughes would be on short rest when Clemens turn came up. The off-day effectivly lets him move up to take Clemens' spot but still be on normal rest. I fail to see how skipping Clemens' turn is preferable to this. The point isn’t that the off day would count as a game for the suspension – it would allow Clemens to skip a turn and not have anyone pitch on 3 days’ rest.

The next off day is the 23rd. So you have:

Clemens – 8/14
Hughes – 8/15
Mussina – 8/16
Pettitte – 8/17
Wang – 8/18
Clemens – 8/19
[ Clemens drops appeal, starts serving 8/20]
Hughes – 8/20
Mussina – 8/21
Pettitte 8/22
Off-Day 8/23
Wang – 8/24 (one extra day of rest)
Hughes – 8/25 (normal rest)
[ Clemens done with 5 game suspension]
Clemens – 8/26 (6 days rest, apparently he needs it)
Mussina – 8/27 (5 days rest)
Pettitte – 8/28 (5 days rest)
Wang – 8/29 (back to normal now, repeat)

So you’ve got 3 of the 5 with 5 days rest, and one with normal rest, and Clemens with 6.

You have to wait until the off-day, because otherwise Hughes would be on short rest when Clemens turn came up. The off-day effectivly lets him move up to take Clemens’ spot but still be on normal rest.

I fail to see how skipping Clemens’ turn is preferable to this.

]]> By: DKA http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18463 DKA Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:38:23 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18463 Nettles: When you mess up, you don't blame someone else. That wasn't A-Rod or Clemens giving up the grand slam to Aubrey Huff, or not keeping us within a snowball's chance of coming back. Nettles: When you mess up, you don’t blame someone else. That wasn’t A-Rod or Clemens giving up the grand slam to Aubrey Huff, or not keeping us within a snowball’s chance of coming back.

]]> By: Ben K. http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18462 Ben K. Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:33:12 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18462 In terms of Clemens' not appealing, he would still be suspended for five games and not five days. And that suspension wasn't going to get overturned, so what's the big deal? In terms of Clemens’ not appealing, he would still be suspended for five games and not five days. And that suspension wasn’t going to get overturned, so what’s the big deal?

]]> By: jon http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18459 jon Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:31:43 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18459 re: Henn vs. Britton: Man, I am going to tie my son's right arm behind his back from the minute he is born. I want to hear Clemens say "I needed the rest" because otherwise the decision not to appeal is inexcusable. As is Torre's use of Vizcaino. I just don't get it sometimes. re: Henn vs. Britton: Man, I am going to tie my son’s right arm behind his back from the minute he is born.

I want to hear Clemens say “I needed the rest” because otherwise the decision not to appeal is inexcusable. As is Torre’s use of Vizcaino.

I just don’t get it sometimes.

]]> By: Ben K. http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18455 Ben K. Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:20:52 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18455 Ben: <a href="http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/henn-edwar-up-karstens-brower-gone/" rel="nofollow">We know</a>. :) Ben: We know. :)

]]> By: Ben http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18452 Ben Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:16:43 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18452 Pete Abe reports that Edwar and Henn are being called up. Karstens going down, Brower likely DFA'd. Not clear whose daughter in the Yankee organization Britton was caught sleeping with. Pete Abe reports that Edwar and Henn are being called up. Karstens going down, Brower likely DFA’d. Not clear whose daughter in the Yankee organization Britton was caught sleeping with.

]]> By: nettles http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18449 nettles Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:14:07 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18449 If you're going to blame anyone, you have to put the crosshairs on A-Rod for his ill-advised, bush league "Ha!" that started the whole debacle with Toronto. I've grown to love the guy, but pulling crap like that just grinds my gears. He keeps his mouth shut on the basepath that night, Roger would have pitched last night and we would have likely had a different outcome. Of course, we were held to two hits, so it may not have made any difference. I do agree with the previous posters - Karstens and Brower should be playing for the D-Rays. Our pitching is pretty thin. If you’re going to blame anyone, you have to put the crosshairs on A-Rod for his ill-advised, bush league “Ha!” that started the whole debacle with Toronto. I’ve grown to love the guy, but pulling crap like that just grinds my gears. He keeps his mouth shut on the basepath that night, Roger would have pitched last night and we would have likely had a different outcome.

Of course, we were held to two hits, so it may not have made any difference. I do agree with the previous posters – Karstens and Brower should be playing for the D-Rays. Our pitching is pretty thin.

]]> By: Ben K. http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18441 Ben K. Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:37:36 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18441 I don't necessarily think that the "blame" lies with anyone. The Yanks got outpitched last night. It could have been 12-0; it could have been 2-0. But these guys who threw last night shouldn't be on the roster right now. As for Kennedy, there's no need to rush him. He had a subpar-for-him start on Monday, and I think he's nearing his IP cap. So let him get comfortable at AAA with an eye toward bringing him up next year when needed. I don’t necessarily think that the “blame” lies with anyone. The Yanks got outpitched last night. It could have been 12-0; it could have been 2-0. But these guys who threw last night shouldn’t be on the roster right now.

As for Kennedy, there’s no need to rush him. He had a subpar-for-him start on Monday, and I think he’s nearing his IP cap. So let him get comfortable at AAA with an eye toward bringing him up next year when needed.

]]> By: DKA http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit-948/#comment-18437 DKA Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:10:09 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/08/15/pardon-me-while-i-throw-up-a-little-bit/#comment-18437 I disagree with blaming either Clemens for throwing at Rios or the Yankees for not starting Ian Kennedy. The blame falls on the subpar pitchers we trotted out there for not rising to the task. You're wearing that uniform. You're on that team. Do your damn job. That being said, I look forward to Jim Brower being attacked by a bat-wielding Jose Offerman next year somewhere out in Bridgeport and starting tonight for your Washington Nationals, Jeff Karstens. I also look forward to Bruney and Britton back in pinstripes by 1:00 PM today. I disagree with blaming either Clemens for throwing at Rios or the Yankees for not starting Ian Kennedy. The blame falls on the subpar pitchers we trotted out there for not rising to the task. You’re wearing that uniform. You’re on that team. Do your damn job.

That being said, I look forward to Jim Brower being attacked by a bat-wielding Jose Offerman next year somewhere out in Bridgeport and starting tonight for your Washington Nationals, Jeff Karstens.

I also look forward to Bruney and Britton back in pinstripes by 1:00 PM today.

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