Comments on: Bowa may jump ship http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/ A New York Yankees Blog Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jamal G. http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27596 Jamal G. Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:45:24 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27596 I don't know about that Santana deal. IMO it depends on if Andy pettitte comes back. Honestly, if Pettitte decides to retire and we make that proposed Santana deal (Wang, IPK, Melky to Twins), do we really want to depend on Phil hughes this early as a #2 starter? Our rotation would have the best pitcher in the Majors but it would also be too inexperienced and thin. Looking at Hughes numbers and the scout rule to only extend a young pitcher by 30 innings every year, he is not yet a 200 inning guy. Same for Chamberlain. So that means we would have to depend on the likes of Mike Mussina along with a revolving door at the #5 spot which does not look to appeasing. I have no problems dealing Wang in a Santana trade but not IPK too, maybe one of our minor-league guys like Alan Horne, Steven White, Ross Ohlendorf, or maybe even Humberto Sanchez. I just think this deal would make our rotation way too thin if Pettitte doesn't come back. Remember Pettitte says that he "hates the fact that Joe Torre is not the manager anymore". I don’t know about that Santana deal. IMO it depends on if Andy pettitte comes back. Honestly, if Pettitte decides to retire and we make that proposed Santana deal (Wang, IPK, Melky to Twins), do we really want to depend on Phil hughes this early as a #2 starter? Our rotation would have the best pitcher in the Majors but it would also be too inexperienced and thin. Looking at Hughes numbers and the scout rule to only extend a young pitcher by 30 innings every year, he is not yet a 200 inning guy. Same for Chamberlain. So that means we would have to depend on the likes of Mike Mussina along with a revolving door at the #5 spot which does not look to appeasing.

I have no problems dealing Wang in a Santana trade but not IPK too, maybe one of our minor-league guys like Alan Horne, Steven White, Ross Ohlendorf, or maybe even Humberto Sanchez. I just think this deal would make our rotation way too thin if Pettitte doesn’t come back. Remember Pettitte says that he “hates the fact that Joe Torre is not the manager anymore”.

]]> By: Jamal G. http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27594 Jamal G. Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:38:45 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27594 lol Randy Johnson to Yanks also lol Randy Johnson to Yanks also

]]> By: steve http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27592 steve Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:58:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27592 i would love to have santana but i think they need to keep wang and kennedy, hughes and joba are going to be a great 1 2 punch. maybe i'm too bias towards the yankees minor league system but I don't know i just have a bad feeling about santana, in about 2 or 3 years i think his arm will fall off. we have desperately needed a power arm since clemens originally left but i think we have a few now with hughes and joba ... personally I dont' think santana is worth it for melky kennedy and wang i would love to have santana but i think they need to keep wang and kennedy, hughes and joba are going to be a great 1 2 punch. maybe i’m too bias towards the yankees minor league system but I don’t know i just have a bad feeling about santana, in about 2 or 3 years i think his arm will fall off.

we have desperately needed a power arm since clemens originally left but i think we have a few now with hughes and joba … personally I dont’ think santana is worth it for melky kennedy and wang

]]> By: steve http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27591 steve Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:53:23 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27591 zing ! zing !

]]> By: yankz http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27585 yankz Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:16:05 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27585 Oh, wow, I had no idea about Garcia. Guess they'd have to throw in a Whelan or someone? Oh, wow, I had no idea about Garcia. Guess they’d have to throw in a Whelan or someone?

]]> By: Mike A. http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27583 Mike A. Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:07:27 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27583 It was Beckett-Lowell-Mota for Hanley-Anibal-Jesus Delgado-Harvey Garcia. Everyone forgets the A-ballers, but Delgado throws the ball 100 miles an hour and Garcia struck out 15 in 12.1 IP with Florida this year. It was Beckett-Lowell-Mota for Hanley-Anibal-Jesus Delgado-Harvey Garcia. Everyone forgets the A-ballers, but Delgado throws the ball 100 miles an hour and Garcia struck out 15 in 12.1 IP with Florida this year.

]]> By: dan http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27579 dan Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:37:42 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27579 No one is saying that Wang is better than Johan... we're wondering whether Johan is better than wang kennedy and melky. It's hard to judge kennedy because of the tiny sample size, but his 3.73 FIP is similar to Matt Cain (among several others, but Cain and Kennedy had similar ratios too), who was worth around 2 and a half wins above average. Assume the following: Kennedy is worth 2-2.5 wins next year Melky is leage average, worth zero wins (he was below avg this year, but will be better next year) Wang is worth 2.5-3 wins next year Santana will be worth about 4.5 wins (he was at 3 last year, but worth between 4-6 in previous years) Add in whoever takes melky's and kennedy's spot in the rotation, and this is a no-brainer assuming they can keep santana past next season. No one is saying that Wang is better than Johan… we’re wondering whether Johan is better than wang kennedy and melky. It’s hard to judge kennedy because of the tiny sample size, but his 3.73 FIP is similar to Matt Cain (among several others, but Cain and Kennedy had similar ratios too), who was worth around 2 and a half wins above average.

Assume the following:

Kennedy is worth 2-2.5 wins next year
Melky is leage average, worth zero wins (he was below avg this year, but will be better next year)
Wang is worth 2.5-3 wins next year

Santana will be worth about 4.5 wins (he was at 3 last year, but worth between 4-6 in previous years)

Add in whoever takes melky’s and kennedy’s spot in the rotation, and this is a no-brainer assuming they can keep santana past next season.

]]> By: yankz http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27578 yankz Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:23:11 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27578 As I posted elsewhere, it'd be comparable to the Beckett trade, which was Hanley+Anibal+a minor leaguer whose name I don't remember (Jesus something) for Beckett, Lowell (who was solely salary relief at the time), and Mota (who had been abysmal the year before). I think Wang/Melky/IPK is pretty close to Hanley/Anibal/Jesus ?, if not better. As I posted elsewhere, it’d be comparable to the Beckett trade, which was Hanley+Anibal+a minor leaguer whose name I don’t remember (Jesus something) for Beckett, Lowell (who was solely salary relief at the time), and Mota (who had been abysmal the year before). I think Wang/Melky/IPK is pretty close to Hanley/Anibal/Jesus ?, if not better.

]]> By: yankz http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27577 yankz Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:19:33 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27577 No way in hell would they do the trade unless they knew they'd extend him. Santana >>>Wang. No way in hell would they do the trade unless they knew they’d extend him.

Santana >>>Wang.

]]> By: Lil Jimmy Norden http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/bowa-may-jump-ship-1448/#comment-27574 Lil Jimmy Norden Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:04:13 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/10/20/bowa-may-jump-ship/#comment-27574 Id do the Santana trade if we could get a few low level minor leaguers in return. Santana is fantastic, but Wang was great too. With Melky and IPK it may be a bit lopsided. Getting Santana locked up but thats a must, they're not going to deal for him to keep him a year. Id do the Santana trade if we could get a few low level minor leaguers in return. Santana is fantastic, but Wang was great too. With Melky and IPK it may be a bit lopsided.

Getting Santana locked up but thats a must, they’re not going to deal for him to keep him a year.

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