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Torre to the Dodgers
Three years, $7.5 million for Girardi; Long to LA?

Gotta love it when Scott Boras feigns naivete:

“Intellectually, Alex is tying to understand the difference between his free agency and that of Mariano and Posada,” Boras said by phone yesterday. “Alex Rodriguez has never said he does not want to be a Yankee. Filing for free agency doesn’t mean that. Because Rivera and Posada are free agents doesn’t mean they don’t want to be Yankees.”

Just a guess here, but it could be the $30 million the Yankees lost when A-Rod opted out. That will be equal to about one year of his salary, which is pretty freakin’ significant.

Someone needs to tell Boras that it’s over. Why the posturing with the New York media? Clearly he can get better than eight years, $224 million from another club, so go and freakin’ get it. It’s becoming more and more clear that A-Rod didn’t want to come back, anyway.

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Torre to the Dodgers
Three years, $7.5 million for Girardi; Long to LA?
  • Pfistyunc

    It won’t happen, but wouldn’t it be great if Boras couldn’t get close to 8/224 and then came crawling back to the Yanks? A boy can dream, can’t he?

  • steve (different one)

    it’s really $21M.

    it doesn’t really matter, but saying $30M kindof slants the facts against A-Rod.

    honestly, i am starting to think the yankees really weren’t that interested in paying A-Rod $30M for his age 37-40 seasons and they are using the Texas money as a cover. they leaked the story about their offer to save face.

    it really does make a lot of ton of sense for the yankees to still be involved in the bidding even after the opt out:

    they have a huge hole at 3B.
    they have a huge need for a RH bat.
    they have the most money and a-rod is the best thing to spend it on.

    if they were able to sign him for say 7-8 years, that $21M is an extra $3M per year. they basically saved that just by replacing Torre with Girardi.

    it shouldn’t be a deal breaker if they really wanted him back.

    think about it, his old contract has $5M kickers that take his 2008 and 2009 salary to $32M.

    if he opts out and the yankees sign him for 7-8 years, $28M per, aren’t they back at the same place they were before he opted out?? they could even backload the deal to make some of the difference back, time value of money and all that.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      And Steve has written my next post for me. Thanks, Steve. The Yanks could really come out ahead if Boras has misplayed as badly as it seems he has. But I have the sneaking suspicion that he has something – Cubs? – up his sleeve. Maybe Will Leitch’s sources were right after all.

      • Pfistyunc

        I can’t imagine that Boras would take such a huge gamble without having assurance that he could do better. I think he has the parameters of a deal in place already a la JD Drew.

        • Count Zero

          Agreed.

  • marc

    wow i feel like the only one who is happy hes gone. the arod saga really got old.

  • marc

    we have two positions where we can pick up his production, not to mention possibly signing a power hitting centerfielder in jones or hunter. What i think is most affect the team is that abreu even if he option is picked up probably will not be a yankee. The outfield is one area where we can re-place some of the right handed power so it makes sense for him to not be on the team.

    • steve (different one)

      how does it make sense for him to not be on the team?

      he is much better than hunter or jones. much better.

      i understand that people are tired of A-Rod and are happy the Yankees are not giving in to Boras, but there is simply no way to spin the fact that the yankees are a better team with A-Rod than without.

    • Yankee Fan in Chicago

      Hunter career .271 .324 .469 .793
      Hunter fielding via BP’s RATE, 2007 — 101

      Jones 2007 .222 .311 .413 .724
      RATE 2007 105

      Melky — 2007 .273 .327 .391 112 RATE

      Sorry, but I’ll take the cheap young cf w/ upside over the expansive relics who’ll demand multi-year deals. I suspect Melky will surpass Jones’ dismall offensive production, and get in the neighborhood of Hunter’s career offense, all the while providing better defense than either Jones or Hunter can at this stage of their careers.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Please don’t marginalize Jones’s career because he had an off year. I’m not advocating the Yankees signing him. But he’s clearly offensively superior to Melky.

  • http://chinmusicbaseball.blogspot.com Jersey

    Has ARod ever done anything “intellectually”?

    This is like a test of wills. The Yanks say “do not cross this line,” and ARod crosses it and says “what what?! Whatcha gonna do?!” But maybe Boras is grasping at straws to try and give the illusion that the Yanks will still jump back in? It’s worth it to him to do anything he can to make that seem the case, because that likely drives up bidding.

    I’m going to miss the production, but I’m not going to miss the man. And it just seems crazy for the Yankees to pay $30 million when he’s forty.

  • barry

    I honestly think that from a player sense we can’t do better than Arod is individually but from a team aspect we’re better off without Arod. Lets see what happens hopefully he doesn’t come back, there will be an answer to the 3B problems. The only notable just because I found it funny is Aaron Boone(besides Arod and Lowell). Something in me says to try and sign Boone before the marlins do, it couldn’t hurt to have him and he’s cheap. http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php

  • Cam

    All this might have been discussed already, but since I don’t really have any other outlet for my thoughts, here they are. On Torre:

    I think he already had a deal set with L.A., probably for 3-4 years at about 5 mil per. That’s why this deal happened so quick. He was only going back to the Yanks if they offered him at least 2 years. He/they knew it was time to go. Good luck to him out there, Proctor is already demanding a trade.

    A-rod: basically what people are saying. There could be two sides. One, he wanted to be here but Boras convinced him the Yanks were bluffing and assured him they could work a new deal even if he opted out. Now they have themselves in a corner cause they don’t have another deal yet or one that isn’t as good. A-rod will sign a huge deal then fire Boras in 3 years for messing this one up (one can hope).

    Or, they already had a deal in place and he didn’t want to come back to begin with. They made the announcement during the series cause they really are that spoiled and selfish.

    That’s my take. Thanks for reading.

  • Rob

    Let’s be clear. A-Rod is a scumbag. Not for opting out – he didn’t want to stay in NY and it’s a simple as that. Deal with it, people.

    No, he’s a scumbag for announcing his intentions in a way to upstage the World Series, and a close game at that. Don’t give me this crap about it being Boras. The devil himself said Alex told him on Sunday afternoon. Of course, he knew Boras would release the info for maximum exposure. And you can’t beat the exposure of a sideline reporter during the middle of the game. How much is thirty seconds of commercial time during the Series worth? And those are 30 second intervals. How many minutes did they spend talking about this nonsense when it could have easily waited a day or even a week. I was a huge A-Rod supporter, but he’s a scumbag through and through.

    By the way, if the scum had any interest, at all even a teeny bit, in returning to the Yankees, he would have seen how high they were willing to go BEFORE he opted out. Hankstein said the initial figures (8/228) were a starting point for negotiations. They never got there. I hope to god that is the end of it cause I’m done cheering for that egotistical, narcissistic whore. He really is everything that’s wrong with baseball. Worse than Bonds even.

  • Jamal G.

    Anyone think Boras is just doing a PR campaign for A-Rod with these comments he made? The way I see it is that Boras is trying to make the Yankees look all big, mean, and stubborn and arrogant by saying “if he doesn’t want to be a Yankee then we dont want him” while making A-Rod out to be the victim of the Yankees bully. Im sure Boras knows that A-Rod isnt really too well perceived by alot of MLB personnel because he came off as so selfish and me above the world in his four year tenure with the Yanks. Especially after the World Series debacle A-Rod’s image has taken a serious hit and in some circles confirms the fact that he is just a selfish prick or the dog on the leash owned by his agent, Scott Boras.

  • matt

    On Torre: Good for him. It will be a bad thing if Mo, Po, ARod, and Andy follow him over to LA. How horrid would it look for them to win the WS in Dodger Blue and not Yankee Blue? It is sad to think of Mattingly not being a Yankee if he does jump over to the Dodgers with Torre. I remember eating at Mattingly’s restaurant in Evansville, IN while growing up. Always will be one of my favorite Yankees of all-time, no matter what.

    On Arod: Has anyone asked what the new Manager Joey G would want? Would Cash even consider what Joey G prefers for his new team? Just wondering

  • Rob

    Dodgers don’t need a catcher.

    A-Rod is dead. He chose that – by his actions and timing. Please, can we just let him screw up another club? He ain’t coming back.

    If Cashman signs Lowell and goes out and gets Sexson (one year left on his contract at 14 million) that’s two quick and painless moves that addresses both holes with two decent right-handed bats while vastly improving the IF defense (both are well above average at their positions).

    Further, the Yanks scored the most runs in baseball last year. If they get back 3/4 of A-Rod’s offense (through 1b and 3b) while the pitching matures, they’ll be fine. If not, let them sit on the youngsters and wait another year. Times were good. They will be again, especially if they stick to this current philosophy.

  • Craig

    As much as I would have loved to see A-Rod finish his career with the Yankees…It’s apparent that it’s over.

    It does seem like he wanted out of NY in the worst way. Honestly, can you blame him with the way he was treated at times. Yes, he brought some of it on himself, but the piling on was ridicules at times. If he can make close to the money in Anaheim, and not have to deal with 80% of the BS, why wouldn’t he consider that option? I certainly would….

    My hope is that both sides can come to an understanding. A-Rod belongs on the Yankees. If he leaves I’ll wish him well. He always busted his butt when he played.

    • Kevin23

      No one is really wrong here about A-Rod. He WAS the best offensive 3rd baseman in the AL over his Yankee tenure. He WAS also one of the biggest disappointments to Yankee fans over that same period. As a season ticket holder who sits just behind 3rd base, I was both impressed by his consistent athleticism, and underwhelmed by his ability to rise to the big occasions. When he did go above and beyond, it usually ended up unifying the other team more than it ever helped the Yankees win games. It was fighting with Tek in Boston, or trying to sissy-swat a ball away at first, or yelling “Mine!” at an opposing player. I do not pass any judgment on those acts except to say they all pissed off the opponents and unified their teams. He seems to have that effect everywhere he goes. Remember the “kids” in Texas who called him the “cooler” because he always cooled off a hot streak. He’s the same guy, different year, different color uniform.

      Here’s his legacy: one of the greatest players to ever play, and was eventually boo’d mercilessly by every crowd he ever tried to win endear himself to.

      The Yankees must put a swift end to the overpaid, over hyped years of A-Rod and Giambi and get back to guys who want to be Yankees. Those are the guys who get cheered and beloved at Yankee Stadium. Bloated payrolls guarantee nothing. Stats guarantee nothing. (by the way Jersey, Arod’s 2006 season was crap except on paper and everyone who actually watched those games knows it). And Lowell could replace A-Rod’s average production on paper. But haven’t we pushed enough paper since 2000? Time to go after grit and drive more than the lazy superstars other teams throw away. My two cents.

  • Rob

    Craig, he has left. It’s over. And the way he went out, upstaging the biggest event in the game, tells me he deserved that treatment. He’s a scumbag.

    • craig

      I understand on the surface the relationship appears to be over…..but the more you dig, the more I believe there is still a chance A-Rod remains a Yankee. I would say that right now it’s 40/60 on him remaining a Yankee….which puts me in the minority. Both sides need each other…..

      Again, if it’s really over I wish A-Rod the best. I’ve been to most of the games he’s played in NY and he’s never taken a night off. He busted it every night, and produced on most nights…which is all you can ask for from a player.

  • usty

    1. It’s not our money. Indirectly it is. But it’s still not our money. With seats behind the backstop going to 2,500 a game in the new stadium, the Yankees can print their own money.

    2. Where are we finding the 130-150 RBI’s for next year? We have a mess at 1b, no 3b, no RH hitters and an outfield that has essentially 0 power.

    3. I say pay him. We were going to pay him with an extension anyway.

    • Ron

      Hank Steinbrenner has basically said “Fuck You!” to A-Rod. If they even talk to him at this point, they would have zero credibility w/ future free agents.

      • Count Zero

        Agreed. There is more at stake here than money now…

        • usty

          Yeah, I understand that. Which is why I wasn’t a huge fan of this “line in the sand” thing anyway. Bora$ was never letting him not opt out. I don’t know if i’m acting like the kid who doesn’t want to see their parents get divorced and doesn’t recognize the inherent problems. If A-Rod comes out and says, “I didn’t want to play in NY.” I’d have more respect for him and his agent whining about why the Yankees say they won’t bid. Because essentially their rationale is pretty stupid…do Mo and Posada not want to be Yankees by filing? Yeah I understand the 21 mil thing, but again…not our money.

  • marc

    Last time I checked, in 06 we had a pretty solid run without the Crazy Arod we saw this year.. think of his mean production not just this season. in 06 he was a dog. I know what his stats looked like for the seaqson but the man was a dog.

  • marc

    im pretty sure we could find 3rd base production similar to what we got in 06 out of him.

    • http://chinmusicbaseball.blogspot.com Jersey

      ARod had 25 Win Shares in 2006.

      The third basemen who had at least that in 2007 were: Chipper, Miggy Cab, Wright, and ARod. Lowell had 24. Aramis, Braun and Figgins were right behind. So which of those guys are we going to get?

      I know we were all disappointed with his ’06, but let’s not let that cloud our thinking. He was still an All-Star third baseman.

      • marc

        wait. jersey. do win shares equate for production that isnt valuable to wins? i mean is the 7-0 home run while still quality production and 4 total bases equal to 2-1 basehit to drive in 2? I remember the man being boo’ed nightly for his lack of production over and over again. But he did have a monster september when we had a 7 game lead in the al east… yea thats valuable.

        • http://chinmusicbaseball.blogspot.com Jersey

          Hoo boy. Where to start.

          You know what – I’ll just say that ARod was the most productive third baseman in the AL in 2006. And it really wasn’t all that close.

          People boo’d him because people are dumb.

        • steve (different one)

          you are embarrassing yourself.

          and i don’t see why 2006 is relevant. the Red Sox are better now.

          the competition is stiffer. the Yankees will need to replace 2007 A-Rod just to compete with the Sox next year. in other words, the Yankees will NOT be able to replace him.

          or did you forget the Yankees finished behind the Sox this year?

  • marc

    If you think arod is irreplaceable then explain to me how teams have won without him?

    • Count Zero

      Ahem…your original comment was:

      “im pretty sure we could find 3rd base production similar to what we got in 06 out of him.”

      The replies pointed out (quite correctly I might add) that this is in fact, a complete load of nonsense.

      I’m all for jettisoning him at this point…but don’t just make stuff up out of the blue and expect it to fly here.

  • Ron

    “Intellectually, Alex is tying to understand the difference between his free agency and that of Mariano and Posada,” Boras said by phone yesterday. “Alex Rodriguez has never said he does not want to be a Yankee. Filing for free agency doesn’t mean that. Because Rivera and Posada are free agents doesn’t mean they don’t want to be Yankees.”

    First off, never start a sentence regarding A-Rod with “Intellectually”. Second, intellectually, how hard is it to see that Mo & Po had no contracts, whereas A-rod opted out of his? In other words, A-rod could have shown up for spring training without doing anything, but Mo & Po couldn’t – they would have to sign new contracts first.

    Boras is really backpedaling now.

  • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

    marc, what you’re talking about is WPA (fangraphs.com), which measures the importance of every PA by game situation (clutchiness). Arod was subpar in 06, ranking just 75th in MLB, and 9th among 3b. But this year he was 1st in all MLB! realistically, he’ll be somewhere in between next year.

    also, people must realize Arod just had his greatest season ever! he’s unlikely to repeat it. and now that he’s 32, historically speaking, he’ll begin trending downward.

  • davi

    the only place arod has though intellectually is in a strip club.

  • Count Zero

    As Jersey said above, I think Boras is just trying to keep the bidding up now that the Yankees are out of it. Without the Yankees to fuel the bidding war, he realizes he has to work harder. No one has to fear being outbid by Cashman at this point.

    As someone pointed out earlier (sorry, I can’t remember who), I think it’s clear that A-Rod had no intention of returning to the Yankees. If he did, he (and Boras) would have waited till the last possible moment to opt out — thereby ensuring he had driven the Yankees as high as he could get them to go. The fact that he did it with ten days left on the clock indicates he wanted to move on no matter what. Boras’ comments after the fact are just spin-doctoring.

  • Kevin23

    No one is really wrong here about A-Rod. He WAS the best offensive 3rd baseman in the AL over his Yankee tenure. He WAS also one of the biggest disappointments to Yankee fans over that same period. As a season ticket holder who sits just behind 3rd base, I was both impressed by his consistent athleticism, and underwhelmed by his ability to rise to the big occasions. When he did go above and beyond, it usually ended up unifying the other team more than it ever helped the Yankees win games. It was fighting with Tek in Boston, or trying to sissy-swat a ball away at first, or yelling “Mine!” at an opposing player. I do not pass any judgment on those acts except to say they all pissed off the opponents and unified their teams. He seems to have that effect everywhere he goes. Remember the “kids” in Texas who called him the “cooler” because he always cooled off a hot streak. He’s the same guy, different year, different color uniform.

    Here’s his legacy: one of the greatest players to ever play, and was eventually boo’d mercilessly by every crowd he ever tried to win endear himself to.

    The Yankees must put a swift end to the overpaid, over hyped years of A-Rod and Giambi and get back to guys who want to be Yankees. Those are the guys who get cheered and beloved at Yankee Stadium. Bloated payrolls guarantee nothing. Stats guarantee nothing. (by the way Jersey, Arod’s 2006 season was crap except on paper and everyone who actually watched those games knows it). And Lowell could replace A-Rod’s average production on paper. But haven’t we pushed enough paper since 2000? Time to go after grit and drive more than the lazy superstars other teams throw away. My two cents.

  • barry

    anyone else sorta happy that at least next year we’ll have alot of youth playing all the time. I love the vets and they need to stay but something about younger players and their electricity seems to set a standard that older guys can’t get anymore.

    Anyway lets start campaigning for duncan at 1st, he’s got alot of potential and needs the chance to shine. I heard someone earlier suggest Cano to 2nd, is that a good idea, I don’t know, he’s young so it could work and a 2nd basemen would deffinately be easier to find.

    • Kevin23

      I agree. I love watching the youth. Melky and Cano’s antics made games fun again. I like the idea of Miggy Cabrera at 3rd, but giving up the new guys in trade would be more of the same bad moves.

      I’d like to see them get younger in the outfield too. Melky has the best all-around defense, so leave him in Center. Get a young kid who can run and gun, and use him as a fill-in guy and a late innings base-runner.

      Then spend money on free-agent pitching and hope for the best. When Giambi (the biggest goat ever) goes away, spend his money on a real 1st baseman.

      • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

        Scranton’s Brett Gardner, who’s tearing up the AFL, and is just 24, could see significant time in the Bronx OF in 2008 (with an injury – Christian could too). Gardner is a speed demon (114 career minor league steals, just 22 cs!) and plays a great CF. probably better than Melky but without the arm.

        • Count Zero

          Yep, he’s a real leadoff hitter type and looks impressive.

          An outfield with Gardner in CF and Melky in LF would be aces defensively but Melk’s a bit too weak for a corner bat. Unless you’re one of those who believe he might still develop power as he gets older…