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Well after all that bitching and moaning negotiating and stalling, The New York Post is reporting that Mariano Rivera will sign that overly generous three-year, $45 million contract. The 38 year old closer was upset that the Yanks wouldn’t give him a fourth year, and he took offense when Hank Steinbrenner noted that pitchers Rivera’s age aren’t the wisest of investments. With this deal, the Yankees will have re-signed all of their own Type A free agents except for Andy Pettitte. These signings do not count against the Yanks’ limit of three Type A free agents as teams are not penalized for keeping their own players.

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  1. JP Surget says:

    I’ve been a huge Rivera fan ever since he came up as a starter in 1995 but he really ran his name through the mud with this little hissy fit of his. I’m so tired of his bitching that I’m almost more happy for Joba… This should secure his role in the starting rotation

  2. dan says:

    I think this signing was the most important one of the off-season, simply because of the domino effect it would have had on the rest of the team: Joba would be the closer, possibly compromising his long-term health, and the yankees would be short on depth in a rotation that would have included Mike Mussina as the 4th or 5th starter, depending on Pettitte’s return. This absolutely had to be done.

    • brxbmrs says:

      Dan,

      No way was Mariano more important at 38 and in decline than retaining A-Rod or Jorge where we had NO real internal candidates and a lousy fa market.

      I want to see Joba get a chance at being our #1 starter as well, but the reality may be he’s better as a closer.

      The other reality is none of the many casual fans are packing the Stadium to see Mo close out a game – and the Yanks kids in the rotation may not be good enough this year to get us a post season spot – so the closer could be a lot less important.

      Last, we had Veras\Sanchez\Ohlendorf as other potential options as well as a few free agents such as Dotel, Cordero and a flier on Wood.

      None of the above are nearly as good as Mo coming back (save Joba) but we’ve got to realize the Yanks are paying top $ for a 38 year old Mo who slipped a bit last year and if our rotation needs time to gel, Mo isn’t going to help that much in 08 then he’s 39 in 09.

      • dan says:

        I wasn’t really saying that in a vacuum this move was the most important; there are more economical and possibly even better options than Mariano at this point. I was saying that simply having Rivera for this season alone will stop the domino effect involving Joba and the rest of the staff.

  3. E-ROC says:

    If I were the Yankees, I would have lowered my offer back to $39 million. I would’ve continued to lower until I hit his market value. Rivera’s posturing and whining was not needed as Yankees have ALWAYS paid him handsomely over the course of his career. I wonder if he has a no-trade clause.

  4. A non mouse says:

    “he did offense” = “he took offense”

  5. barry says:

    Wow that was big Mariano to take that deal without he fourth year. Sure was swell of he old lad.

  6. DanElmaleh says:

    It’s a defacto no trade as he is 10 and 5.

  7. tony from the bronx says:

    i have said it before and i will say it again,Mo was and is the highest paid closer r.p. since 2000 Why do the yanks always have to over pay.Why cant we do the same thing that Boston does with their F.A.Make a fair offer and let the player decide where he wants to play.Believe there were choices other then Posada.He is a career 270 hitter.His game calling and defense in general is below average,the yanks are near the top in pass balls and wild pitches every year.Mo and PO have been great yanks.they were the top paid players at there positions.Now they will be over paid.

  8. Bob says:

    The only ones having “hissy fits” are the fans who consider every ballplayer trying to squeeze more money from ownership as being greedy or ungrateful. When the Yankees build a stadium to maximize income from luxury boxes at the expense of regular seats, that is just business, although some of the funds come from the public treasury, but when players seek to increase their income (or security) from the owners, they that is not legitimate?

    As for the characterization of Rivera’s actions as “hissy fit”, what is the source of that? Have fans actually talked to Mariano and seen him pouting or whining? It seems to me that is media talk, interpretation by writers and radio hosts needing a story line, not an actual reflection of anything real.

    I do not think Rivera or any closer is worth as much to their teams as they usually get. But I do not begrudge anyone the effort to improve his condition, regardless of how well-off he seems. To do so is akin to people regarding Yankee fans as whiners because they want to win the World Series every year.

    • Joseph P. says:

      Bob, you see fans reacting this particular way in Mo’s case because it’s not like other guys trying to squeeze max dollar out of the team. No other team was going to touch even the Yanks initial offer of 3 years, $40 million. Hell, Mo would have been lucky to get three years, $35 million from another team. Remember, no one else is going to pay him for past performance.

      The point is, he can talk a big a game as he wants — and he has — but the fact remains that the best offer he’ll see is one that has already been made.

      As for everyone saying that we’re overpaying, you’re right. But I don’t understand why you care so much. As long as it doesn’t affect future roster decisions, and there’s no proof that it does, we should be fine.

  9. JRVJ says:

    Folks, let’s look at this objectively: Mariano is only costing the Yankees money, which the Yankees have to spare.

    Mariano seems about to sign a 3 year contract, where the first year is 2008, a year where the Yankees may well end up not signing any Class A or B FAs from other teams (because of how weak the market is, not because the Yankees don’t have the money to do so).

    So the question is whether the Mariano contract will affect the Yankees’ chances of signing good players in the 2008-2009 offseason or in the 2009-2010 offseason.

    Well, the Yanks are going to clear-up over $40MM worth of yearly commitments after 2008 from players who produce little or nothing ($17MM for Giambi, $11MM for Mussina, $10MM for Pavano and $5MM for Farnsworth). They may shed even more payroll if they choose to replace Abreu internally (i.e., with Jackson or Tabata) and if Pettitte comes back, he may do so only for 2008. In essence, the Yanks will have more than enough money coming off the books after 2008 to go after both Johan Santana and Mark Teixeira, and have some spare change left…

    Plus, after 2009, Damon and Matsui are off the books (that’s another $26MM).

    All of the above has to be seen in the context of 4.28MM people going into Yankee Stadium in 2007, the last year of the original Yankee Stadium in 2008 and the first year of the New Yankee Stadium in 2009 (i.e., attendance should be very high in 2008 and 2009). Plus, the Yanks will decrease their revenue sharing contributions starting in 2009, due to new Yankee Stadium’s costs (I assume it will be depreciated).

    The point of all of the above is that re-signing Mariano only costs money, which the Yankees don’t seem to have anyone to spend it on in 2008 and will have plenty of to spend in 2009 and 2010.

  10. Mike A. says:

    With this deal, the Yankees will have re-signed all of their own Type A free agents except for Andy Pettitte.

    Damn, I was really hoping to pick up a couple extra early draft picks. I guess keeping the best baseball player on the planet and the greatest relief pitcher in the history of the universe is a nice consolation prize though.

    • dan says:

      Honestly, what the hell is this team doing? They coulda had like a billion first round picks, and they THREW IT ALL AWAY. Now we have to suffer through another season without 6 first round picks to look forward to.

  11. CK says:

    The only people throwing a hissy fit are the bloggers and fans who have absolutely no understanding of economics. Supply and Demand determines a player’s salary. This mysterious, absolute, set-in-stone “Market Value” that everyone talks about doesn’t exist. Each MLB team exists in its own “Market” and therefore has its own price point that it needs to compete against. Because of Mo’s history with the Yanks, because of the Yankees ability to pay, and because of the need for the Yanks to have a Grade A closer, his demand is greater with the Yankees then it would be with say Pittsburgh or Kansas City. Nobody is saying that Mo would get a 4 year/60 million dollar contract from another team. The “market” that Mo is competing in is the “market” that paid hundreds of millions of dollars to Pavano, Igawa, Farnsworth, Giambi, Clemens, et al. If the Yanks were able to work out 4 and 5 year contacts for Pavano and Igawa, why shouldn’t Mo ask for 4 years? He would have been a fool not to.

    • JP says:

      I had no problem with Mo testing the market. I’m just tired of hearing him talk about “respect” when the Yankees are offering him a lot more than his fair market value

  12. JRVJ says:

    Mike A,

    Keeping the Yanks 1st round draft pick is probably the most important thing for the Yanks at this point, with (what with the very bad FA market and the Yanks having retained their FAs – and I’m crossing my fingers on Pettitte not retiring), because it’s highly likely they’ll lose their 1st and 2nd round picks next year (though who knows – maybe Abreu has a monster year, the Yanks offer him arbitration and he bolts somewhere else, thus giving the Yanks someone else’s 1st rounder for 2009).

  13. Bob says:

    Joseph P., it doesn’t matter whether Rivera could or couldn’t get more from another team. He has his motives for negotiating as he is. If he is wrong about his value on the market, that is a purely pragmatic issue. There is no reason for fans to be either upset or critical of him. I know why fans get upset; I just think it’s silly and motivated by foolish notions about players’ obligations to fans and cities.

    I don’t quite understand what you mean by “But I don’t understand why you care so much”. My point is I do not care what they pay Rivera, nor do I care what he demands. In my estimation closers are not worth the prestige they have acquired, but that is purely my analysis of what helps a team win, not some judgment on what players deserve.

    As for the irritation at comments about respect or being insulted, aside from the fact that those are statements in news reports, not public statements by Rivera, I consider all that a lot of hooey. In all negotiations there is a lot of public posturing and none of it means a thing so why react to it? After all, when Steinbrenner talks about being a true Yankee and nonsense like that, naive fans may eat it up, but it’s really kind of stupid.

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