Nov
20

Indians close to deal with Kobayashi

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Earlier today, frequent commenter E-ROC asked us about Masahide Kobayashi. MLB Trade Rumors noted a few weeks back that Kobayashi was one of the top three Japanese Free Agents on the market this winter. Well, not anymore. Ken Rosenthal reports that the Indians have a deal in place with Kobayashi pending a physical. If the price is right, Kobayashi would be a decent pick up, but his recent back issues and age don’t make him that appealing to me.

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18 Comments»

  1. E-ROC says:

    LOL, I wonder if Joe Borowski will still be their closer.

  2. Tk_NYY says:

    Why are they signing the hot dog eating champ? ;-)

  3. Alex K says:

    Why would they want a guy who is good at eating hot dogs in their bullpen? Didn’t they already have that with Bob Wickman just a few years ago?

  4. Rob says:

    PTI – You guys ever see this?:

    “After winning the Cy Young Award in 1992, he jumped to the Braves for a five-year, $28 million contract. The Yankees offered more money, but Maddux opted to stay in the National League and work in a pitching friendly environment.

    “This one hurts,” Yankees general manager Gene Michael said at the time. “He’s the best one out there. I never thought I could say this. But he’s a steal at $28 million. He’s a steal.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7421420

    Wow, imagine how differently things could have gone in 1995 with Maddux on the staff. Showalter gets an extension…

    Wow, just wow.

    • Ben K. says:

      I’ve certainly heard that story before, and I’ve never really regretted missing out on Maddux. He has one ring; the Yanks have four since 1992. No big deal.

    • Mike A. says:

      Madduz is one of the greatest pitchers ever, but he never seems to fully get the credit he deserves. Just look at how people view Clemens compared to how much love Maddux gets.

      Imagine if the Yanks hitched their wagon to Maddux instead of David Cone in the 90s, Maddux would be A GOD.

      • steve (different one) says:

        that’s because Clemens was much better than Maddux.

      • steve (different one) says:

        Maddux – 347-214, 4814.3 IP, 3273 K, 969 BB, 1.141 WHIP, 3.11 ERA
        Clemens – 354-184, 4916.7 IP, 4672 K, 1580 BB, 1.173 WHIP, 3.12 ERA

        one guy pitched 20+ years in the AL, the other guy pitched entirely in the NL.

        i do agree that Maddux is somewhat underrated, which was really all you were saying, but Clemens certainly deserves all of the love he gets and then some.

        • Mike A. says:

          That’s absolutely true, but rereading my comment, I didn’t come close to making the point I wanted to make.

          Clemens benefited from pitching most of his career in Boston & NY, he was constantly being pumped up because of the market he was in. We never heard about Maddux in the same way. So if it was Maddux instead of David Cone, Maddux would be a god thanks to the NY media.

  5. Rob says:

    Yup, Maddux would have been a God. If anything, he chose the wrong team in 1992. With him, the Yanks would have been much closer in 1993 and 1995. They could have won 6 Series in 7 qualifying years (not counting the shitty 1994 ending).

    It would have been interesting to see Maddux in AL. The man put up this stretch after leaving the Cubs:

    1993: 171 ERA+
    1994: 271 ERA+
    1995: 262 ERA+
    1996: 162 ERA+
    1997: 189 ERA+
    1998: 187 ERA+

    In 1997, he lost out on the CY to Montreal Pedro (219 ERA+), but the numbers, except K’s, were very close. He was Pedro before Pedro. And he’s pitched at least 198 innings every year since 1988 with an average of 230 IP

    Mad Dog was simply ridunkulous. He would have been a legend had he come to NY.

  6. Rob says:

    By the way, just check out his 1994-1995:

    35-8, 408 IP, 297 H, 54 BB, 337 K, 73 ER, 12 HR, 0.85 WHIP, 1.60 ERA (league = 4.24)

  7. dan says:

    Cherry-picking their best 10 years:

    ERA+ for both

    171 169
    271 154
    262 213
    189 175
    187 164
    153 177
    159 221
    166 174
    162 226
    146 193
    Average:
    207.3 207.3 (No, thats not a typo)

    Maddux is on the left, clemens on the right (those are not in chronological order, btw)

    Each’s 9 best seasons average to the same exact number (unweighted). Overall, Clemens owns a 143 ERA+ and Maddux a 134 ERA+. At their best, they are the same, Clemens just lasted a little longer at such a high level.

  8. dan says:

    Cherry-picking their best 9 years:

    ERA+ for both

    171 169
    271 154
    262 213
    189 175
    187 164
    153 177
    159 221
    166 174
    162 226
    146 193
    Average:
    207.3 207.3 (No, thats not a typo)

    Maddux is on the left, clemens on the right (those are not in chronological order, btw)

    Each’s 9 best seasons average to the same exact number (unweighted). Overall, Clemens owns a 143 ERA+ and Maddux a 134 ERA+. At their best, they are the same, Clemens just lasted a little longer at such a high level.

  9. Rob says:

    Nice Dan. No doubt that Clemens power helped a bit more. Still, they’re a bit of ying and yang though, huh? And yet the results come out exactly the same. Great stuff.

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