Comments on: Olney backs Santana – Sox rumor http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/ A New York Yankees Blog Sun, 27 May 2012 05:33:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: BillyBalla http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36186 BillyBalla Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:59:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36186 That's funny, since I feel could take out Tabata and the Yankees deal would still be better. Ask yourself reasonably, why would the twins want Crisp aside of the small investment left on him. The twins want a better package to sell to there fans. Coco Crisp ain't gonna do it Jamal. Lester, with no disrespect to you Sawk fans is like I stated earlier at best a number 3. Lowry is not a superstar in the making. He's not your next Jose Reyes, or Hanley Ramirez. Too me it sounds like he is your next David Ekstein, which is not awful but not what Santana is worth. Masterson is not close to being an IPK, neither is Lester for that matter. So your boy Chad Jennings can spew whatever he wants. If the Sawx get him with that package than you guys stole him and good for you. That would once again show the bias the league holds for the Yankees as teams look to pilfer the Yankees for all there prospects meanwhile the Sox can get an ace with that offer. I say take it and run. All In know is IPK, Melky, Jackson, and Tabata is too much. Anyways they want pitching prospects since they just traded for 2 outfielders so I don't belive the Yankees would be offering these players. It would be more like Melky, IPK, and Horne. I would not make Cano an untouchable, I would consider trading him and Melky with a marginal prospect like a J.B. Cox for Santana. If Cano was a 5 tool prospect with speed that can steal you 30+ bases I would say make him untouchable, but he is not. We do have players with these tools in the lower minors that we do not know if they will develop but there is always that chance. The reason I would do this trade would be 1- to keep the big 3 of course and 2- to move Jeter to 2nd base and sure up our defense. That move is inevitable if Jeter is going to retire a Yankee. I am hearing now that the Twins would consider moving there 2nd baseman who is a natural ss to short which would make sense that Cano would be dealt there. I know many in this forum feel Cano is untouchable but I feel that Jeter cannot stay on ss for too many more years and 1st isn't an option either. Cano's defense is replaceable and while he projects as a number 3 hitter in many lineups, I feel having a 2nd baseman that can steal 20+ bases and move runners over while playing a solid 2nd base is more important. Getting a SS that can play gold glove defense is just as important as pitching and defense wins in the playoffs. Cano can be replaced, but these pitchers like the big 3 and Horne, Betances, and the others following cannot. Keep the big 3 and trade Cano and Melk with a J.B. Cox! That’s funny, since I feel could take out Tabata and the Yankees deal would still be better. Ask yourself reasonably, why would the twins want Crisp aside of the small investment left on him. The twins want a better package to sell to there fans. Coco Crisp ain’t gonna do it Jamal. Lester, with no disrespect to you Sawk fans is like I stated earlier at best a number 3. Lowry is not a superstar in the making. He’s not your next Jose Reyes, or Hanley Ramirez. Too me it sounds like he is your next David Ekstein, which is not awful but not what Santana is worth. Masterson is not close to being an IPK, neither is Lester for that matter. So your boy Chad Jennings can spew whatever he wants. If the Sawx get him with that package than you guys stole him and good for you. That would once again show the bias the league holds for the Yankees as teams look to pilfer the Yankees for all there prospects meanwhile the Sox can get an ace with that offer. I say take it and run. All In know is IPK, Melky, Jackson, and Tabata is too much. Anyways they want pitching prospects since they just traded for 2 outfielders so I don’t belive the Yankees would be offering these players. It would be more like Melky, IPK, and Horne.
I would not make Cano an untouchable, I would consider trading him and Melky with a marginal prospect like a J.B. Cox for Santana. If Cano was a 5 tool prospect with speed that can steal you 30+ bases I would say make him untouchable, but he is not. We do have players with these tools in the lower minors that we do not know if they will develop but there is always that chance. The reason I would do this trade would be 1- to keep the big 3 of course and 2- to move Jeter to 2nd base and sure up our defense. That move is inevitable if Jeter is going to retire a Yankee. I am hearing now that the Twins would consider moving there 2nd baseman who is a natural ss to short which would make sense that Cano would be dealt there. I know many in this forum feel Cano is untouchable but I feel that Jeter cannot stay on ss for too many more years and 1st isn’t an option either. Cano’s defense is replaceable and while he projects as a number 3 hitter in many lineups, I feel having a 2nd baseman that can steal 20+ bases and move runners over while playing a solid 2nd base is more important. Getting a SS that can play gold glove defense is just as important as pitching and defense wins in the playoffs. Cano can be replaced, but these pitchers like the big 3 and Horne, Betances, and the others following cannot. Keep the big 3 and trade Cano and Melk with a J.B. Cox!

]]> By: Jamal G http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36170 Jamal G Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:08:52 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36170 Our boy Chad Jennings seems to be backing the Sawkz offer as the better one with a package of Lester/Lowrie/Bowden/Crisp over IPK/Cabrera/Jackson/Tabata. http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.com/Blogs/SWBYankees/tabid/552/Default.aspx ...Not good to hear. Our boy Chad Jennings seems to be backing the Sawkz offer as the better one with a package of Lester/Lowrie/Bowden/Crisp over IPK/Cabrera/Jackson/Tabata.

http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.....fault.aspx

…Not good to hear.

]]> By: LiveFromNewYork http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36148 LiveFromNewYork Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:35:04 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36148 THE MEDIA ARE TOOLS. THE MEDIA ARE TOOLS.

]]> By: Giuseppe Franco http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36141 Giuseppe Franco Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:09:00 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36141 I don't believe that BS for a second. The Yanks aren't parting with Cano or Joba no matter what. Let Santana go to Boston and give up their best young players in return. The Yanks will start hitting him just like they did with Pedro, Beckett, and Schilling over the years. It's wouldn't be the end of the world and the Sox wouldn't own the AL East the next several years as desperate and reactionary Yankee fans would want the rest of us to believe. Personally, I think Santana is going to end up in pinstripes before it's all said and done - although I'm against the move entirely if it involves Hughes going to MIN. I don’t believe that BS for a second. The Yanks aren’t parting with Cano or Joba no matter what.

Let Santana go to Boston and give up their best young players in return.

The Yanks will start hitting him just like they did with Pedro, Beckett, and Schilling over the years.

It’s wouldn’t be the end of the world and the Sox wouldn’t own the AL East the next several years as desperate and reactionary Yankee fans would want the rest of us to believe.

Personally, I think Santana is going to end up in pinstripes before it’s all said and done – although I’m against the move entirely if it involves Hughes going to MIN.

]]> By: Pinstripeglory http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36139 Pinstripeglory Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:53:19 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36139 Cashman seems to be a levelheaded GM, it the Sox wanna pay $150 million for him over 6 years let them, what does Beckett get when his deal runs out and Santana is only halfway through his? Over at mlbtraderumors.com the following link to a boston article was posted: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/11/no_contract_tal.html Now the Yanks are supposedly considering Cano. Just say No. It seems the winner could end up with an unmoveable contract in the end. I'd love to have Santana, but if it means emptying the farm system for one trade - then I'd have to pass. Cashman seems to be a levelheaded GM, it the Sox wanna pay $150 million for him over 6 years let them, what does Beckett get when his deal runs out and Santana is only halfway through his?

Over at mlbtraderumors.com the following link to a boston article was posted:

http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....t_tal.html

Now the Yanks are supposedly considering Cano. Just say No. It seems the winner could end up with an unmoveable contract in the end. I’d love to have Santana, but if it means emptying the farm system for one trade – then I’d have to pass.

]]> By: BillyBalla http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36136 BillyBalla Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:39:51 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36136 Jamal G talks of Lester being a better prospect than IPK if he regains his velocity. Lester has 2 good pitches and 1 mediocre pitch. IPK has 4 good pitches that he is able to control. Jamal you talk as if IPK is not enough to add in the trade but compare his numbers to your Bucholz and if he were a Sawk they would be 1a and 1b. Lester would be 2. Hughes right now is a notch above both of them based on his stuff and potential. If I had to choose I would give Bucholz the slight nod over IPK, but they are still 1a and 1b. IPK, Melk, and another prospect such as Horne should be more than enough. By the way, if Horne were on the Red Sawx he would pbobably right now be 2a and Lester would be 2b. Jamal G talks of Lester being a better prospect than IPK if he regains his velocity. Lester has 2 good pitches and 1 mediocre pitch. IPK has 4 good pitches that he is able to control. Jamal you talk as if IPK is not enough to add in the trade but compare his numbers to your Bucholz and if he were a Sawk they would be 1a and 1b. Lester would be 2. Hughes right now is a notch above both of them based on his stuff and potential. If I had to choose I would give Bucholz the slight nod over IPK, but they are still 1a and 1b. IPK, Melk, and another prospect such as Horne should be more than enough. By the way, if Horne were on the Red Sawx he would pbobably right now be 2a and Lester would be 2b.

]]> By: NYYank55 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36129 NYYank55 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:03:11 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36129 Agreed, I wish they would make this the best trade never made. Sort of reminds me of Gagne last year. Let the Sawx have him. Agreed, I wish they would make this the best trade never made. Sort of reminds me of Gagne last year. Let the Sawx have him.

]]> By: casey http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36125 casey Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:51:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36125 Is it just me, or might it actually not be a bad thing for us to sit and watch while the Sox tie up $150M or more on Santana? That would make a total of around $275M committed to a mediocre import in Dice-K, and a former great in Johan. Santana will not be the best pitcher in baseball for more than 2 more years, 3 tops. Jake Peavy is well on the way to eclipsing him as Peavy enters his prime. That's not even taking into account Johan's statistical dip in the past 4 years. Barry Zito also entered free agency on that kind of slide; he won a Cy Young too, how's that working out for San Fran? Johan obviously is better than Zito ever was, but that is not the kind of stat trend you want to see from a soon to be 29 year old looking for a contract that will pay him through 2015. That's the argument against trading for him BEFORE you even get to talking about giving up Hughes and Melky+. The choice is clear: DONT DO IT. Is it just me, or might it actually not be a bad thing for us to sit and watch while the Sox tie up $150M or more on Santana? That would make a total of around $275M committed to a mediocre import in Dice-K, and a former great in Johan. Santana will not be the best pitcher in baseball for more than 2 more years, 3 tops. Jake Peavy is well on the way to eclipsing him as Peavy enters his prime. That’s not even taking into account Johan’s statistical dip in the past 4 years. Barry Zito also entered free agency on that kind of slide; he won a Cy Young too, how’s that working out for San Fran? Johan obviously is better than Zito ever was, but that is not the kind of stat trend you want to see from a soon to be 29 year old looking for a contract that will pay him through 2015.

That’s the argument against trading for him BEFORE you even get to talking about giving up Hughes and Melky+. The choice is clear: DONT DO IT.

]]> By: NYYank55 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36124 NYYank55 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:49:05 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36124 NO LEVERAGE NO LEVERAGE

]]> By: Jamal G http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor-1726/#comment-36123 Jamal G Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:46:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2007/11/29/olney-backs-santana-sox-rumor/#comment-36123 For all those complaining why the Yankees havent considered Hughes an untouchable its because like BOS, the Yanks have labeled two of their guys untouchables in Robbie Cano and Joba Chamberlain. As to Lester Ive always heard (although from Boston fan Peter Gammons) that when Lester/Papelbon was in the farm they were considered 1A and 1B in the Sawkz organization. So if thats true and Twins expect him to regain the velocity and realize his potential I would have to assume that makes him a better guy to acquire than IPK. I dont believe the Twins will make a deal with the Sawkz w/o Ellsbury being the co-centerpiece along with Lester. Maybe that will change if Boston were to put in Bucholz but like I said he's an untouchable. Same with the Yanks, I dont think the Twinkies would make a deal without getting Hughes and honestly, if you were a Twins fan would you be happy with any proposal that does not include Ellsbury or Hughes coming to the Twin Cities? There was a topic here that told us to put ourselves in the shoes of the other team's fans, so think about it...as a Minny fan why in the hell would you want a package centered around IPK/Cabrera in a return for the greatest pitcher in the game right now. For all those complaining why the Yankees havent considered Hughes an untouchable its because like BOS, the Yanks have labeled two of their guys untouchables in Robbie Cano and Joba Chamberlain. As to Lester Ive always heard (although from Boston fan Peter Gammons) that when Lester/Papelbon was in the farm they were considered 1A and 1B in the Sawkz organization. So if thats true and Twins expect him to regain the velocity and realize his potential I would have to assume that makes him a better guy to acquire than IPK.

I dont believe the Twins will make a deal with the Sawkz w/o Ellsbury being the co-centerpiece along with Lester. Maybe that will change if Boston were to put in Bucholz but like I said he’s an untouchable. Same with the Yanks, I dont think the Twinkies would make a deal without getting Hughes and honestly, if you were a Twins fan would you be happy with any proposal that does not include Ellsbury or Hughes coming to the Twin Cities? There was a topic here that told us to put ourselves in the shoes of the other team’s fans, so think about it…as a Minny fan why in the hell would you want a package centered around IPK/Cabrera in a return for the greatest pitcher in the game right now.

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