Comments on: Putting together a trade proposal

By: Pounder

Pounder — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:48:17 +0000

Back the moving van up to Wangs house and get him out of town.Dan Haren and Joe Blanton are there for the taking,at a much cheaper cost than Santana.

By: ohbwonhomie

ohbwonhomie — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:48:21 +0000

why trade at all. its seems people havent realize that trading our farm away or not developing the farm has kept the yanks from bringing #27 home. really do we need santana to be another vazquez or weaver. he is declining and I’m to full and tired to get the info to post. I love all the ideas, insite and conversation posted on this site but if the yanks pull the trigger on such a deal we’ll all regret it. hughes is the real deal, joba no ?, melkman is something special man, doesnt he remind of a young bernie still growing into his role, kennedy definite #2 on most staffs after a full year but a #3 after joba and hughes, wang is one other pitch away from being the best sinker baller in baseball. I dont know, maybe its the turkey and stuffin and pies but lets just stay put. maybe next time i’ll get into how i think our milb is a year from being #1.

By: Colter

Colter — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:57:45 +0000

A classic, old school Yanks, win-now strategy would be to trade youngsters for a #1 starter and an elite reliever. One idea would be to trade Cano AND Hughes, plus Tabata or Austin Jackson(their choice), plus Melky to the Twins for Santana and Joe Nathan. It’s not a “dream-on” move because the Twins would be getting value; a cheap bona-fide all-star in Cano, plus a number one pitcher in Hughes. They’d also get a cheap temporary replacement for Tori Hunter in Melky and a true, long-term potential star replacement in Tabata or Jackson. The Yanks would would have an insane rotation of Santana, Pettitte, Chamberlain Wang and Mussina(or Horne or Marquez) for next year plus a shut-down bullpen with Nathan and Rivera at the back end. What about Ian Kennedy, you ask? Well, you trade him for Brian Roberts(or even Wang for Roberts). Again, it’s a win now strategy and not necessarily something I would advocate because I like the idea of keeping most of the talented youngsters around(although I guess the suggested trade wouldn’t make them that much older, it would just take away the “home-grown feel”-ahhhh, miss that from my college days:) but it’s hard to argue that the above rotation plus, pretty much, last year’s offense wouldn’t give them a great shot at a championship in ’08; but I guess we’ve heard that before. A similar version of the above trade could be done with the A’s with Haren and Street or the Orioles with Bedard, Bradford(though he’s not quite elite) and Roberts.

By: Larry

Larry — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:22:37 +0000

The Twins are not in as strong a negotiating position as some may think. At least I don’t think they are.
First, Santana has a complete no-trade clause, earned after winning his second Cy Young award. This means that he will be able to either nix a trade, no matter how good the deal for the Twins, if he wants to wait until the end of the season or get traded to a particular team.
Second, with only one year left on his deal no team is going to offer anything to the Twins of any value unless they can negotiate and conclude a deal with him before any trade is made. Meaning if he decides to make a real high moeny demand (as is likely) he will limit the teams to which he can be traded to a few large market teams…again no matter how good the deal is for the Twins. No one is going to give up the family jewels for a one year rental.
I think the most likely winner in this sweepstakes are the Mets. Minaya is going to need pitching and is going to need to make splash in the offseason…meaning he is likely to be willing to overpay in terms of talent and dollars.
I think the old Yankees would have given up everyone to get him…but I hope they realize that they can sweat the Twins a bit and the whole ARod adventure should reinforce the idea to the Yankee managment that the number of teams who can always pay blockbuster money is about 1, and they (the Yankees) are that team.

By: brxbmrs

brxbmrs — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:51:25 +0000

I really hope another team guts its roster of young talent before we do.

There is no way Santana is worth Cano – Santana is simply not the best pitcher in the AL anymore and if Bedard is healthy next year, he’ll be the best Lefty.

By: Billy

Billy — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:35:59 +0000

By the way that above comment can be seen on memotosteinbrenner.com as well as other related suggestions about our hot stove 2007-08 chatter.

By: Billy

Billy — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:33:48 +0000

Hello, I have posted about this trade on and I need to reiterate with some on this website who I completely agree with that you cannot mortgage the future for one player who is 29 years old (in his prime), small in stature, and possibly has 3 ace like years left in his arm. That being said I would still trade for the most dominant starter and lefty in the game. My offer would start with Robbie Cano. He is probably the best pure hitting 2nd baseman in the game whom projects to hit above 300, 25-35 HR’s, and 100 RBI’s. He has excellent above avg. arm strength and decent range. What he lacks at 2nd base which I feel is vital is pure base stealing speed and above avg range. I proposed moving him to 3rd base prior to the circus which never left town in A-RODiculous returning. Now that he is set for 3rd for the next 10 years I feel we can afford to trade Cano. I felt Cano was best suited for 3rd with that arm strength and quick reflexes as well as the 3rd base offensive numbers. I also feel that we are going to need to address the SS position in the future as every year we hear more and more that Jeter has lost a step and probably cost the Yankees at least 20 + hits during the season. I feel that his best position would be 2nd base as he still has excellent range to his right which would cover up the middle and his offensive numbers would be excellent at that position for the next 5 years. We than move in a Gonzalez (Randy Johnson trade) a superior defensive glove to improve our overall defense in the infield. He can hold onto the position until a Carmine Agnello is ready. Jeter should not be placed at 1st as that position may be tied up by a Posada or a power hitting 1st baseman with a good glove in the future. Than a Jesus Montero or Austin Romine can be behind the plate to give Posada much needed breaks. We than add Melky to the trade whom I love and once heard he reminded a GM of a young Kirby Puckett. I would love for him to be half that player and I know the Twins would love that as well. The Twins need young position players and we gave them 2 already. They are gonna want a pitcher back as well even though they are deep in that dept. So we either include a Alan Horne or possibly at best an Ian P. Kennedy. One of the 2 and no more. We now need to fill CF. I feel defensively Brett Gardner is more than ready now. He also adds the ability to steal 40+ bases. He has a plus arm and excellent range and his offense will struggle as he is a slap hitter to all fields but he would be a perfect fit as the number 9 hitter. If he is not ready we give action Jackson a shot. I would not include a Tabata, Jackson, Montero, Gardner, Agnello or Romine in the trade even though the Twins may want more positional players. We just gave them 2 major league young up coming stars. I would consider doing this trade and having a staff in 2008 comprised of Santana, Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy or Horne. If Pettite comes back of course he becomes the number 3 and the other 2 move down. Wow, what a staff. Moose can be the 6th starter, and that is all he should be now.

By: barry

barry — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:59:42 +0000

The way I think of it it just wouldn’t happen. The Twins would conceivably want some combination of Joba, Cano, Melky, or Hughes. If I’m the Yankees GM I refuse to give up any combination of those players for a one year rental cy-young pitcher. Sure he’s the shit but the way I think I get more bang for my buck with those four than with Santana.

By: bkight

bkight — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:27:24 +0000

If they want to let him walk as a FA after next year for draft picks, then you’re right, they don’t need to trade him. I don’t think draft picks are enough for a player like Santana. I wouldn’t trade Cano for anyone, we have too many other chips.

I just don’t want to see the Red Sox end up with Santana. I could live with the Dodgers, Cubs or Angels, just not Boston.

By: Joseph P.

Joseph P. — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:17:20 +0000

They do not need to trade him. They can go into the season with one of the AL’s best rotations and contend in the AL Central. Hell, they have enough arms (Santana, Liriano, Garza, Bonser, Slowey, Perkins, even Baker as a No. 5 guy) that they can trade a non-Santana guy and nab a needed bat.

It’s going to take one of the Big Three, plus Cano, plus more to get Santana.