A-Rod: Opting out was ‘a huge debacle’

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I’m pretty sure that A-Rod and Scott Boras won’t be getting together for a Christmas Dinner any time soon. Kat O’Brien has the full story, and A-Rod actually comes off as apologetic and – dare I say? – sympathetic.

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  • B

    Until A-Rod fires Boras, I’m not buying this sob story as anything more than Boras falling on the sword to try and salvage his client’s image.

    Who continues to employ an agent who lies and misleads you to the level Alex is claiming here?

    • steve (different one)

      A-Rod basically came out and said that Boras mislead him in contract negotiations.

      this is a HUGE slap in the face to Boras that could actually have serious implications as far as clients signing with him.

      this is not something i think Boras went along with for PR reasons to “fall on the sword”

      maybe i am wrong, but that’s how it seems to me.

      • B

        And yet, he’s still employing him. It’s not like Boras “just” negotiates his playing contract either; the BI is all over almost every facet of his career. If this man really lied to him to this level, misled him to this degree, ruined his standing with his dream team so damn much, there’s no way he’d continue to employ him unless he’s the biggest idiot ever born (and I certainly don’t buy that).

        And no, Boras has no problem taking public heat for his players, even to this level. So long as they get what they want and he gets paid. It’s why players continue to flock to him despite how much of a turd he is.

        • Rob

          Boras has made him a ton of money, over 16 years, and there will never be another contract. Really, what’s the point of firing him now? It would be completely vengeful and spiteful.

          It’s like someone’s wife cheating on them. Sure, that’s grounds for a divorce but it doesn’t have to be.

          Besides, what’s the alternative here? You really believe that A-Rod couldn’t have gotten more guaranteed money from another club? In an off-season where Tori Hunter got $18mil/year? At most a few days lapsed before A-Rod came back. Good luck spinning how they talked to every possible team AND got meager offers in that time frame.

          • B

            Because Boras and the BI has been pretty much involved in every aspect of his career. This myth about how he no longer needs him anyway because this was his last contract is just that — a myth.

            If someone dicks me over as badly as Alex is trying to lead us to believe Boras did him, I’m not going to continue employ him, pay him well, and allow him any control of my life/career. He’s clearly not trustworthy and doesn’t have my best interest at heart. I’d be foolish to keep him on board. Just like A-Rod would be now…

            And most teams can make 4 or 5 year mistakes, hence the deals like Hunter or Rowand. Paying a 42 year old close to $30 million ten years from now, guaranteed, is something only a team like the Yankees can really afford to risk. There’s just too many years, with too high of a total sum.

            • steve (different one)

              this is a technicality, but the yankees structured the deal so they will “only” be paying him $20M in those age 41-42 seasons.

              it’s kindof a wierd contract, but i trust that they had reasons based on their own financial projections.

              • B

                True, but even ~$21 million, like it’s projected, is too much for almost every other team in baseball to guarantee giving to player aged 42 ten years in advance.

                There’s going to have to be even worse inflation going on for that to change.

                • Rob

                  Depends on your perspective. I’m sure Boras would argue he did have his best interests at heart – he was going to get him the most money. Still, A-Rod has watched him make very good decisions for 16 years. He certainly could have fired him, but there’s no reason he has to.

                  And A-Rod at 41 and 42 is different from every other player. He’ll very likely be hitting his 800 HR around they. As we saw with Bonds, that fills a ballpark even when the home team sucks.

                  Still, I’m waiting for an alternative explanation from you, B. The closest you could offer (they realized, in *two* days they weren’t getting significant money) is laughable in the context of how the real world works. And any conspiracy theory that had Boras agreeing to be thrown under the bus is even more absurd.

                  • B

                    Agan, the Yankees can take that “risk” that he’ll somehow still be a productive hitter then, possibly, looking at the ZIPS projections, a couple years out from his already breaking Bonds’ record and that revenue. Other teams can’t.

                    You don’t seem to be grasping that most 41, 42 year olds that aren’t performance enhanced eat a dick come that age. Even the great ones, ones better than Alex.

                    He could have very likely gotten 7, 8 years at big money. Maybe picked up a team option or two beyond that, but in your beloved real world, bar inflation, guaranteeing any 41 or 42 year old player this type of dough this far in advance isn’t part of a feasible business plan for 95% of teams.

                    • Rob

                      That lightbulb did go off – or else A-Rod wouldn’t be a Yankee today. It just took he a bit too long to distrust a guy he had been trusting for the last 16 years.

                      From Tyler:

                      “The whole thing didn’t feel right,” Rodriguez said, adding that several Yankees executives had told him they wanted him back. “I felt all along there was mutual interest and great respect from both ends. I always thought the negotiation was going to be simple and wasn’t going to take a lot of time. So when I was getting that information, it was very surprising and upsetting and hurtful.”

                  • Rob

                    Again, show me what A-Rod did wrong in any of this that he didn’t freely admit today. You’re trying to make a point about the contract he got even while you got nothin’ on another contract he could have gotten. What is your problem, exactly? Cause you keep changing the argument.

                    A-Rod is a Yankee for the next 10 years. And every financial analysis says they got a great deal. Further, he’ll go into the HOF with the interlocking NY on his hat. Next up – a ring.

  • GoYankees

    Peter Abraham has the full conference call audio and I listened to the whole thing.
    Though A-Rod seemed sincere, I have a hard time buying everything he said.
    If it was really against his wish to opt out, why didn’t he start negatiating with the Steinbrenners as soon as Boras announced it?
    I remember it wasn’t until like a week later, when everyone was so sure A-Rod’s not coming back, that he released that statement on his website.
    But I guess I appreciate A-Rod’s effort to make this story up.
    And whatever the truth was, we’re stuck with him…
    So, GO A-ROD~

  • Rob

    “If it was really against his wish to opt out, why didn’t he start negatiating with the Steinbrenners as soon as Boras announced it?”

    He said he realized he wouldn’t be a Yankee and it was a nightmare.

    Further, do you really have a hard time believing that there was no contact before he put up that statement. In the conference call he says he wouldn’t have been surprised if the Hank hung up on him.

    Listen to the conference call. I buy every word of it. He has no reason to lie now. The nonsense stretched on for less than one week. Even as nothing is certain, I can’t see how anyone can dream up a conspiracy theory that explains better what happened in that one week than what he’s saying.

    Meanwhile, Boras has guided him for 16 years (longer than his marriage) . It’s not at all hard to believe he would have a) trusted him; b) been very angry with him; and c) not fired him. To fire him now would have just been spiteful and only that. He said it himself – this is his last contract.

    But none of that matters now. A-Rod is a Yankee for life. I look forward to cheering him on.

  • steve (different one)

    also, maybe Yankee fans should start cutting A-Rod some slack for his postseason performances, since we are probably going to learn today that half of the “super clutch dynasty” Yankees were cheating.

  • Relaunch

    He is full of shit. He is saying his sources told him the Yanks had no interest in him. But every newspaper, every report from July on said the Yankks wanted to extend him. He is just blaming someone for his fuck up when he realized no one else would pay him as much as the yanks

    • Rob

      Boras told him the Yankees didn’t have interest. The guy has represented him for 16 years. Why is it so hard to believe he trusted Boras? Then A-Rod realized he was going to have to take control and did.

      Please, the simplest explanation is the best one. Really, what’s the alternative? That he and Boras waited a week to check out other offers then decided to go back to the Yankees? Except, by all accounts it was a a day or two before Buffet got involved. So in a day or two they talked to every possible interested team and got parameters on final offers? That’s absurd to the nth degree.

      • Relaunch

        So the Yankees all summer and after the season we want to sit down with Arod. So Boras tells him they don’t and he opts out? Are you suggesting that he is retarded then or something?
        He realized that he couldn’t get more money on the market, that is why he came back. What your saying that this notion is absurd is even more ridiculous.

        • Rob

          His agent has always handled the contract negotiations – for 16 years. Why should this be any different? His agent said the Yankees weren’t interested. He says now it seemed weird, and then tried to rectify things as quickly as possible when he realized what had happened.

          That’s a simple story. Whatch you got, Relaunch? Make it good, cause by all accounts, it has to fit into two or three days max.

          • Relaunch

            So if someone told you to jump off the GWB, you would? Even though every other recommendation says jumping off the GWB is bad, apparaently you would do it since you know the person for 16 years.

            What do you have? Nothing. You are taking ARod’s quote and using it. Big deal. Add it to the list of when Arod has said something and done another.

            He cares about his public image and this is his easiest way of repairing it. He saw how the nation, baseball reacted after he opted out, after what he said all season, and after what the Yanks said all season and after the season.

            It doesn’t matter what you or I think because he will be here for 10 years anyway, but making him this sympathetic figure is comical at best.

          • Rob

            Again, you haven’t given me any decent alternative to believe. So yeah I believe A-Rod. He got bad advice (after receiving 16 years of good advice) and moved quickly to rectify it once he realized his mistake (i.e., the next day).

            See, you keep trying to find fault with him even he admits his mistakes. I suspect you’ll get over it sometime in the next ten years.

            • Relaunch

              16 years of good advice? Boras’s advice always has been make the most money, nothing else. Since you have that data, please illustrate your learnings. When he saw Boras couldn’t get him more money, he came back.
              I find it funny how you think Arod is a saint, poor Arod in this situation. This is entirely his fault that the situation went to where it did.

          • B

            Except we know Hank, Hal, and Cashman all tried to get through to Alex, personally, and he ignored their calls. Hank and Cashman have publically said as much.

            Wouldn’t someone who was told a team he oh-so-desperately wanted to stay on had no interest him find it just slightly odd that those in power of that team are trying to call him and leave him messages about how much he’s wanted by them?

            • Relaunch

              Apparently not since Rob will tell you that Arod didn’t hear any of that, only the information that Boras gave him.

              • Rob

                “Wouldn’t someone who was told a team he oh-so-desperately wanted to stay on had no interest him find it just slightly odd that those in power of that team are trying to call him and leave him messages about how much he’s wanted by them?”

                If you listened to today’s audio, he says it was odd. That’s why the very next day he was trying to figure out how to go around a guy he had trusted for the last 16 years.

                I’m done with this. You guys can believe whatever you want. I’m simply going to enjoy the best player in the game breaking records left and right over the next ten years. You guys will either get with the program or be miserable. Not my problem! :)

            • Rob

              Boras got him 252 last time. You’re telling me he should have said “Screw this guy” from the get go? Instead, he saw how it was played out then owned up. Never before did he talk directly with owners. He did as soon as it became obvius Boras had screwed up.

              And neither of you guys have offer a plausible alternative explanation except some vague grasping at thin air. Again, explain to me how in two days Boras and A-Rod got firm offers from every possible suitor. Or better, point to one media report that even mentions another team’s offer.

              • B

                The only thing I’m really telling you is that “Boras told me they didn’t want me.” stuff only flies if Alex Rodriguez is one of the most naive, stupid men on Earth. I choose to give him more credit than that.

                When a team’s highest powers are reaching out and trying to get a hold of you, on your personal line, to tell you they want you back, a light bulb should go off somewhere about that team just perhaps actually wanting you back, even if your super-trusted agent is telling you otherwise.

                • Rob

                  That lightbulb did go off – or else A-Rod wouldn’t be a Yankee today. It just took he a bit too long to distrust a guy he had been trusting for the last 16 years.

                  From Tyler:

                  “The whole thing didn’t feel right,” Rodriguez said, adding that several Yankees executives had told him they wanted him back. “I felt all along there was mutual interest and great respect from both ends. I always thought the negotiation was going to be simple and wasn’t going to take a lot of time. So when I was getting that information, it was very surprising and upsetting and hurtful.”

                  • Relaunch

                    Great, another way to defend your stance is by using another Arod quote. Great, keep up the good work.

  • steve (different one)

    ehh, people are already so dug in on A-Rod, no one is going to change anyone’s mind at this point.

    i don’t really care what happened with the opt out. he’s back now and is going to be a yankee for the next 10 years.

  • Rob

    I agree, Steve. But I was very angry on the opt-out and now he’s explained things perfectly well. And it’s not just what he says but how he says it.

    Meanwhile, I really can’t believe how anyone can believe anything else. It’s not like two months passed. It was a few days. I suppose if the simulation running in their heads doesn’t involve actual time and space constraints, it’s possible that Boras and A-Rod talked to every potential team, got them all to give a firm offer, then went sprinting back to the Yankees to get the most money, all while agreeing that A-Rod would blame Boras for everything, he wouldn’t be involved in the contract negotiations, and A-Rod would contact intermediaries to help reconnect with the Yankees, even while profusely hammering his agent for the “debacle” that was the opt-out.

    Sure, perfectly plausible – in some warped fantasy world.

  • NYFan50

    Did any of you guys check out the details of his contract?

    http://www.msgnetwork.com/cont.....group=null

    Note that it is front-loaded. Very atypical. And not at all what I was expecting when Hank said sacrifices would have to be made.

  • LiveFromNewYork

    I think he did a good job of kissing up to the NYY fans. I’ll be cheering his return on Opening Day.

  • LiveFromNewYork

    Oh yeah, half of the dynasty teams’ names are on the list. Wrong. Even Pettitte’s alleged involvement wasn’t until after the dynasty. Screw off Red Sux fan.

  • steve (different one)

    you got me, i’m a red sox fan. there are tons of Sox fans who come onto Yankee blogs asking people to give A-Rod a break.

    and obviously “half” was an exaggeration. i apologize for using a little hyperbole. God forbid.

    but yeah, there are a LOT of names from the “dynasty years”. that is impossible to deny:

    Clemens
    Pettitte
    Canseco
    Knoblaugh
    Glenallen Hill
    David Justice
    Jason Grimsley
    Mike Stanton
    Darren Holmes
    Denny Neagle

    what is that, 9 players from the 2000 Yankees?

    do the 2000 Yankees even get to the playoffs without David Justice?

    you are correct, the report says Pettitte used HGH in 2002 to get over an elbow injury. that doesn’t really bother me as a fan, but it does cast some doubt onto his “big game” reputation that he cemented in the 2003 play-offs.

    all i was saying is that maybe people should cut A-Rod some slack given today’s revelations. i didn’t think that was particularly controversial or made me a “Sux” fan.

  • Beau

    First of all… Canseco, Hill, Holmes, and Neagle were hardly big contributors. Furthermore, it’s stupid to throw in speculation as a reason for discrediting a team’s success. I wonder why 2003 would bother a Sox fan so much!=)

    • steve (different one)

      wow, way to completely miss the point.

  • Relaunch

    I doubt 2003 bothers a Sox fan since they won the WS for 2 years after that while the Yanks havent won anything.

  • Trevor

    All I have to say is we would be fucked without A-rod right now.