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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2007/12/did-someone-mention-santana-1868/#comment-41715</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still dont understand why Cano is completely off the table.  I understand how established he is and good he is going to be.  But I think you could get away with Cano and you wouldnt have to include either Hughes or Kennedy.  And I think right now, as good as Cano is, the need for an offensive second baseman is not as necessary as good young pitching and an ace lefthander.  The more I think about it, if you can do Cano, Horne, and a say Chase Wright, it might be the better move short and long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still dont understand why Cano is completely off the table.  I understand how established he is and good he is going to be.  But I think you could get away with Cano and you wouldnt have to include either Hughes or Kennedy.  And I think right now, as good as Cano is, the need for an offensive second baseman is not as necessary as good young pitching and an ace lefthander.  The more I think about it, if you can do Cano, Horne, and a say Chase Wright, it might be the better move short and long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph P.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2007/12/did-someone-mention-santana-1868/#comment-41628</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your mention of Patterson ruins the argument. Dude is terrible. Never OBP&#039;d above .330. Brett Gardner is an infinitely better option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your mention of Patterson ruins the argument. Dude is terrible. Never OBP&#8217;d above .330. Brett Gardner is an infinitely better option.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2007/12/did-someone-mention-santana-1868/#comment-41621</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd

I entirely agree with your point about the Yanks being too sonsevative now with their prospects.  I have said before that if the Twins would take Hughes Melky, a position player and Horne/Marquez or any of their ilk the Yanks should do it.  To not make this trade over future number 5&#039;s like Horne is crazy.  If they love Hughes that much I understand and I understand not giving up Kennedy that is fine, but this deal should not die over Horne, Marquez or even AJax (who we all love based off 1/2 a season and hitters are easy to find - look at this years free agent market for God&#039;s sake)  with a rotation of:

Santana
Wang
Petitte
Joba
Kennedy 

This is the best rotation in baseball imo.  Replace Melky with Patterson and it is pretty much a wash in fact I think Patterson has more potentitial and adds an element of speed.  Its almost as if the Yanks have overhyped their prospects so much that they themselves start to believe the hype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd</p>
<p>I entirely agree with your point about the Yanks being too sonsevative now with their prospects.  I have said before that if the Twins would take Hughes Melky, a position player and Horne/Marquez or any of their ilk the Yanks should do it.  To not make this trade over future number 5&#8242;s like Horne is crazy.  If they love Hughes that much I understand and I understand not giving up Kennedy that is fine, but this deal should not die over Horne, Marquez or even AJax (who we all love based off 1/2 a season and hitters are easy to find &#8211; look at this years free agent market for God&#8217;s sake)  with a rotation of:</p>
<p>Santana<br />
Wang<br />
Petitte<br />
Joba<br />
Kennedy </p>
<p>This is the best rotation in baseball imo.  Replace Melky with Patterson and it is pretty much a wash in fact I think Patterson has more potentitial and adds an element of speed.  Its almost as if the Yanks have overhyped their prospects so much that they themselves start to believe the hype.</p>
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		<title>By: nick blasioli</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2007/12/did-someone-mention-santana-1868/#comment-41595</link>
		<dc:creator>nick blasioli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whats the hype about ajax being in the deal with a couple of pitchers....we have melky in center and he is very young....the yankees need to make the deal...they have the same team as last year...you need to improve like the tigers and diamondbacks..etc....i only hope they get santana real soon.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whats the hype about ajax being in the deal with a couple of pitchers&#8230;.we have melky in center and he is very young&#8230;.the yankees need to make the deal&#8230;they have the same team as last year&#8230;you need to improve like the tigers and diamondbacks..etc&#8230;.i only hope they get santana real soon&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2007/12/did-someone-mention-santana-1868/#comment-41587</link>
		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think it would take a megapackage to get Nathan and Johan, just a little more than what it would take to get Johan now. 

DWillis and Miggy Cabrera netted 6 prospects, so imagine the value is about equal (2 all-star caliber players)... You&#039;d prob be talking Hughes and Kennedy, Melky, and three other players, prob among Horne, Melancon, Robertson, Sanchez, Cox, Betances, Alberto Gonzalez, Tabata, AJax, Hilligoss, and Sublett.

you telling me we dont have the depth to make this trade, and still have solid prospects on the way up?

you make the deal, extend Johan, and hope you can extend Nathan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think it would take a megapackage to get Nathan and Johan, just a little more than what it would take to get Johan now. </p>
<p>DWillis and Miggy Cabrera netted 6 prospects, so imagine the value is about equal (2 all-star caliber players)&#8230; You&#8217;d prob be talking Hughes and Kennedy, Melky, and three other players, prob among Horne, Melancon, Robertson, Sanchez, Cox, Betances, Alberto Gonzalez, Tabata, AJax, Hilligoss, and Sublett.</p>
<p>you telling me we dont have the depth to make this trade, and still have solid prospects on the way up?</p>
<p>you make the deal, extend Johan, and hope you can extend Nathan.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For one, Claussen debuted at 24 - in a very Clippard-esque way actually, pitching great against the Mets, then never pitching in the Bigs again until he&#039;s traded. he also was never a top prospect (like Kennedy and Horne) among all prospects (only in our system). 

LLOYD, i&#039;m sure at least one of Sabathia/Santana will not reach FA. unless the Twins are in a playoff hunt in July, Santana will be traded &amp; signed. Cleveland probably has the resources to sign Sabathia, but IF they both hit FA, i believe the Yanks COULD afford both, with all that Giambi, Mussina, Abreu $ available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For one, Claussen debuted at 24 &#8211; in a very Clippard-esque way actually, pitching great against the Mets, then never pitching in the Bigs again until he&#8217;s traded. he also was never a top prospect (like Kennedy and Horne) among all prospects (only in our system). </p>
<p>LLOYD, i&#8217;m sure at least one of Sabathia/Santana will not reach FA. unless the Twins are in a playoff hunt in July, Santana will be traded &amp; signed. Cleveland probably has the resources to sign Sabathia, but IF they both hit FA, i believe the Yanks COULD afford both, with all that Giambi, Mussina, Abreu $ available.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with giving up a big package to get Nathan is he&#039;s only under contract for one season. I really doubt he&#039;d take an extension from the Yankees, as he&#039;s one of the best closers in the game and in the prime of his career. He could get an awfully nice contract to close for another team.

I don&#039;t think you can justify adding Kennedy to the deal to get Nathan. Just put Joba in the bullpen this year and you&#039;ll get roughly the same results, except next year you still have both Joba and Kennedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with giving up a big package to get Nathan is he&#8217;s only under contract for one season. I really doubt he&#8217;d take an extension from the Yankees, as he&#8217;s one of the best closers in the game and in the prime of his career. He could get an awfully nice contract to close for another team.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can justify adding Kennedy to the deal to get Nathan. Just put Joba in the bullpen this year and you&#8217;ll get roughly the same results, except next year you still have both Joba and Kennedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember Claussen getting much hype. He seemed to just show up one day, make a spot start or two, and was gone. He lasted long enough to get fans hopes up, but that&#039;s it. Back then though, most Yankee prospects were crap, and we hyped them up just so that we&#039;d have trade chips.

Remember the days when D&#039;Angelo Jimenez was the next big thing?

The problem here is the Yankees have stockpiled pitching prospects. Teams generally only care about your top couple of prospects at each position. Getting the Red Sox #2 pitching prospect is sometimes seen as a better deal than getting the Yankees #3 pitching prospect, even if the Yankees player is better. And getting a random team&#039;s #1 prospect is easier to sell than getting someone else&#039;s #4 prospect, even if the #1 is coming from a team with a crappy farm system and the #4 from a team with a stacked farm system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember Claussen getting much hype. He seemed to just show up one day, make a spot start or two, and was gone. He lasted long enough to get fans hopes up, but that&#8217;s it. Back then though, most Yankee prospects were crap, and we hyped them up just so that we&#8217;d have trade chips.</p>
<p>Remember the days when D&#8217;Angelo Jimenez was the next big thing?</p>
<p>The problem here is the Yankees have stockpiled pitching prospects. Teams generally only care about your top couple of prospects at each position. Getting the Red Sox #2 pitching prospect is sometimes seen as a better deal than getting the Yankees #3 pitching prospect, even if the Yankees player is better. And getting a random team&#8217;s #1 prospect is easier to sell than getting someone else&#8217;s #4 prospect, even if the #1 is coming from a team with a crappy farm system and the #4 from a team with a stacked farm system.</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Nathan gets placed into the deal, I would part with a package that included Hughes and Kennedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Nathan gets placed into the deal, I would part with a package that included Hughes and Kennedy.</p>
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		<title>By: E-ROC</title>
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		<dc:creator>E-ROC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we trade for Santana, will Joe Nathan be included in the deal since the Twins roster is a little full? That cost Hughes, Tabata, Hilligross,  etc. I wonder if the Yanks would do that deal. I hope not though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we trade for Santana, will Joe Nathan be included in the deal since the Twins roster is a little full? That cost Hughes, Tabata, Hilligross,  etc. I wonder if the Yanks would do that deal. I hope not though.</p>
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