I personally believe Clemens used steriods but that’s all it is .. my personal opinion .. that and $10 bucks will get you into a movie

All I was trying to say is that Clemens non-inclusion in the Grimsley affidavit isn’t proof he didn’t use steriods. His non-inclusion is probably less probative than McNamee’s eyewitness account (which has to be taken for what its worth .. a guy lacking in credibility being forced to drop names and appease Mitchell et al. or face stricter punishment)

CLEARLY there is no evidence any of us are aware of that proves Clemens did steriods beyond a reasonable doubt .. beyong a preponderance of the evidence (usual standard in a civil trial) that could be debatable .. i’m an attorney and circumstantial evidence is far more powerful than most people seem to believe in a civil case

I believed Clemens used steriods well before Mitchell’s investigation was even ordered. Now, do I think there is enough evidence that he should be kept out of the HOF or his records be astericked or stricken? Absolutely not.

I hope this better expresses my humble opinions on the issue. As much as I think Clemens is probably a terrible person (based off what we as fans see of him) and as much as I believe he probably used steriods … there is nowhere near enough evidence to say he DID use them.

The haters get a field day to hate on the most revered uniform in major league sports history.

Very upsetting!!!

This is what bothers me; we already know that Mitchell’s report represents only a small fraction of the people who were actually using these drugs. The four people incorrectly named in the LA Times story ended up in the Mitchell report. This is a strange coincidence to me. Do we live in a time where a shitty newspaper reported can create an inaccurate story about an individual, which leads to their being investigated? That’s F’ing scary.

What everyone seems to have lost sight of in my opinion is this is not a problem with baseball, this is a problem with law enforcement. If these drugs are illegal, it is the responsibility of the law enforcement agencies to limit there availability by arresting the people who are making and distributing them. Especially if the country in question has spent billions of dollars on a war on drugs.

And that’s my rant of the day, now I feel a little better.

Being a calculating and smart guy u figure clemens knew mcnamees rep as a not so reliable guy due to hi past so you figure, do it all through him, keep it on the low and if anything ever goes down its his word v mine. I’d take that in a court of law anyday. no paper trail? no proof? no steroids.

did he do it? who knows, who cares, basically the only people that didn’t do soemthing “wrong” steroids, hgh, amphetamines, etc. are the coaches and the announcers so who gives a horse’s ass anymore? send barry to jail not because he did them, but because he lied under oath about it despite a paper trail clearly implicating him. anyone else lie about it under oath? throw enin jail too, even if its jeter hissef. then, lets move on. seriously,

top two vomit inducing stories of the past few months that i donot care one bit about anymore and when i hear about them make me want to yell lots and wave my arms angrily at whoever is talking about them……thaT’S right you guessed

johan and steroids.

side note, pete rose was on dennis miller’s show on VS and he was absolutely hilarious. put him in the damn hall f fame. come on, i mean the guy bet on his team yeah but to win. he made two funny comments that stick out to me.

“if there had been steroids in my day i would’ve had 5000 hits.”

and a story about bets he and tony perez used to make….hilarious guy

ok, im done ranting…rah

Point me to a documented use of steroids by Clemens. Point me to anything in the Mitchell Report that proves, once and for all, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Clemens used steroids. You can’t because that proof isn’t there.

Glen, no offense, but you just convicted Clemens based on hearsay evidence and your own personal skepticism. That’s just not how a justice system should work.

with that said I have no idea whether he did or he didn’t .. but i know which way i would bet if i had to make a wager ….