Dec
05

Hank calls demands for Haren ‘ridiculous’

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Everyone breath a sign of relief. Take in that nice, big gulp of air and let it out slowly. According to Hank Steinbrenner, the Yankees will not at all be trading anyone approaching the quality of Phil Hughes for Dan Haren.

Phew. Once again, we here at RAB look good.

In a press conference following the Yankees’ decision to drop out of the Johan Santana farce sweepstakes, Hank was pretty clear in expressing the Yanks’ views on Haren and A’s GM Billy Beane’s demand for his overvalued pitcher. Newsday’s Kat O’Brien reports:

As for Haren, a 27-year-old righthander who was 15-9 with a 3.07 ERA this season, Steinbrenner stomped on the idea of the Yankees acquiring him. Oakland general manager Billy Beane has told teams he would need to be blown away to deal Haren. He would want a similar haul from the Yankees as the Twins asked for in exchange for Santana.

Steinbrenner called that price “ridiculous” and vowed: “It won’t happen, not with us.”

While Hank has come under some criticism for possibly saying too much too often, this is music to my ears. Haren, as I wrote yesterday, comes with a little too much hype and just one season of clear-cut, top-notch pitching. Until he duplicates his 2007 numbers, Haren shouldn’t be considered an ace, and he’s definitely not worth any combination of Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy or Austin Jackson (as Rotoworld speculates the A’s would demand).

Sanity reigns supreme with this one, and this measure of common sense assuages my fears that if the Red Sox land Santana — and it’s far from the done deal — that the Yankees would respond by grossly overpaying for Haren.

Meanwhile, if you want to love Phil Hughes more than you do now, read this tidbit from PeteAbe. Phil knows he has the backing of the fan base. I wonder if he’s talking about us and those t-shirts.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • Skrappy1

    Hank is annoying as hell, but at least he injects a little sanity into the Haren situation. Haren is nowhere near the ace that Santana is. As much as I’d hate to see Phil Hughes traded away, I would at least understand it for Santana. For Haren, no way. The reality is that he doesn’t even have one season of pitching like an ace under his belt, but only one half season. He was absolutely dominant the first half of last season, but then average at best in the second half. Check out his 2007 splits:

    1st Half: 10-3 with a 2.30 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP
    2nd Half: 5-6 with a 4.15 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP

    The fact is, his numbers have diminished in the second half each of the past 2 years, and his numbers away from McAfee in Oakland are also far less impressive. He’s a good #2 starter at best, not an ace. He’s hardly the type of guy that you’d feel comfortable counting on the lead you deep into the playoffs, especially in light of his second half fades.

    As for Hughes, he’s at worst I think a solid #3 starter right now, and his upside is as a true ace. Once he got healthy last season, he was awesome down the stretch. In September, when we needed him the most, his numbers were:

    3-0 with a 2.73 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP

    Then, in the playoffs he was:

    1-0 with a 1.59 ERA and a 0.53 WHIP

    I know it’s a small sample size, but the kid is only 21 and I just can’t figure out what in the world he did this season that possibly diminished his value as a commodity or in the eyes of the Yankees’ brass. No way should the Yankees trade him, and the Twins were stupid for not jumping on the offer while it was there. Lester is a good young left-handed pitcher, but he isn’t near the same level of prospect as Phil Hughes is in my opinion. I absolutely would love the Yankees to get Johan Santana, and it will sting a bit if he is actually traded to the Red Sox. But keeping Hughes will ease that sting considerably.

  • http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56352514 Jamal G

    Who woulda ever thought the Yankees would be making the best non-moves of the Hot Stove. I guess this shows that although Hank maybe the fire-breathing figure head, Cashamn and the baseball people still have the majority of say. Now that doesnt mean that if Hank wants something done/not done then h wont get his way but it shows that he takes into serious consideration what Cash & Co. has to say unlike The Boss who negotiates deals with Gary Sheffield by his lonesome.

  • GoYankees

    Yes, I’m VERY relieved!
    Looks like Hank is smarter than we thought.
    And that Billy Beane…how delusional can you be?
    Haren=Santana?
    LMAO~

  • http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56352514 Jamal G

    He’s not delusional, he’s very smart enough to that teams who were out of the Santana derby due to the contract demands will be in his camp because Dan Haren is much less expensive financially.

  • Chris

    check out the Daily news appaently the Twins came back to the Yanks yesteday with a poposal involving hughes melky maquez and hilligoss (a singles hitting 3rd baseman.

    The yanks tuned it down f money reasons – ae you jokibg? they will lose 50 million ff the cap next season ahnd only have to pay Johab 13 million in 2008. this makes me even more sick. they got a very fair offer – one that didnt kill the fam and we dont take it???

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      It’s tough to call any offer that involves Hughes and three other players “fair.”

    • http://lbaprequel.lobitowebsite.com/ LBA Prequel

      Like Ben said, anything with Hughes has to be out at this point, or the Yankees walking away/deadline would be pointless. I think the need to hardball the Twins, and could get away with pulling Hughes out of the deal if they wanted to, so long as they continue to let Boston and ESPN make it sound like a one-horse race.

  • brxbmrs

    I love Hank, he does talk more like a fan than an owner and I guess I can see why some feel that he talks too much and may be hurting the Yanks chances to get guys or causes the Yanks to overpay because he makes his desires known – but I don’t agree with that.

    Hank lets the fans know whats going on in his head – even if some of it is scary, and he’s doing something his father would appreciate – getting a ton of press.

    In short, he’s refreshing and I like the fact that he’s telling other owners and GM’s that their demands are ridiculous – the man has balls.

  • Bo

    You have to be extremely wary of Beane putting a pitcher like Haren onto the market. The ultimate sell high move.

  • JT from NYC

    brxbmrs, i couldnt of said it any better. Gotta love when Hank opens his mouth. It hasnt really back fired on us in the past. Maybe this one, but i’m fine with that as long as we keep hughes..

    And by the pure fact that Haren is on the market, means that beane thinks he has reached his high. I wouldnt touch Haren and his momentary success for anything more than kennedy.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      “Anything more than Kennedy…”

      Considering that he was the MiLB Pitcher of the Year and shakes down to be the Yanks’ number 2 prospect, that’s a pretty freakin’ high price to pay. Don’t undersell Ian Kennedy. He’s very good.

  • http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56352514 Jamal G

    Thank You. Its real frustrating to hear people talk about IPK like he’s some spare part. I get that he’s obviously #3 of the Big Three but damn, the kid was our 1st overall pick in 2006. He did have a 1.89 ERA in the Majors with 3 starts.

  • Beau

    I think everyone is in agreement about Dan Haren. I say let him go to another team. He doesn’t pose a fraction of concern like Santana ending up somewhere else and coming back to haunt you. I agree that he isn’t a down the stretch pitcher either. Some people have that rubber arm and some don’t. If a guy struggles with arm exhaustion later in the season he may as well be Kevin Brown pitching game seven of the ALCS with a fucked up back and his depends sticking out of the lining of his uniform pants. Extreme, I know, but I seriously hate that guy!!! =)