Jan
09

In Philadelphia, the Cashman vultures are circling

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For some reason or another, a small but vocal crew of baseball fans led by this man do not like Brian Cashman with a vengeance.

Some critics think he’s overrated and that the talent-evaluators working for him deserve more credit; others see postseason berths in every year of his ten-year reign as GM as indicative of the fact that he’s not good enough. He can’t build a bullpen; he can’t build a bench. You know the drill.

Well, outside of New York, the Cashman vultures are gearing up for what many, rightly, consider to be the steal of the century. When Brian Cashman, who many not seem to like the new Yankees organizational power structure all that much, leaves New York, Philadelphia will be ready to with open arms. Or at least the fans in Philly will be waiting.

Nothing is more indicative of this philosophy and outside view of Brian Cashman better than this post from The Good Phight. Take a look:

But what I find ironic about Cashman and how he’s perceived is that the same bloated payrolls that critics once alleged made it impossible for him to get burned by his mistakes now largely obscure the best work he’s done. Following the Yankees’ 2003 World Series loss to Florida and shocking ALCS defeat at the hands of Boston a year later, Cashman saw an aging roster and a largely depleted farm system. Cashman made a few additions of the type Big Stein had demanded since the ’70s, bringing in the likes of Randy Johnson and, um, Carl Pavano–but his focus was on rebuilding a farm system that Baseball America had ranked 27th in early 2004 and 24th before the 2005 season. A year later, that ranking had jumped to 17th, and an assessment by Baseball Prospectus a year after that put the Yankees at 4th of the 30 MLB teams. BP’s Kevin Goldstein wrote in December, “After years of sitting near the bottom of the organizational rankings due to some drafts that border on reprehensible, the Yankees have begun to place more focus and priority on the draft, and the results have come quickly. Their bounty of young pitching is the envy of baseball…”

That is, in essence, the praise that I have for Brian Cashman, and I would probably go one step further and give him a pass on the Carl Pavano deal. At the time, Pavano was a highly sought-after commodity. The Mets, Red Sox and Tigers were all showing various degrees of interest, and the Yanks got him at something of a bargain rate. Who knew that he would utterly break down and make fewer than 20 starts over three years? That was a great signing then; it just looks terrible in hindsight.

But the Good Phight’s point is one that is often overlooked, and it certainly relates to what Tommy said earlier. For much of the early 2000s, the Yankees were puttering along with no farm system. A series of poor drafts and few big-ticket international signings had left the system depleted, and the George Steinbrenner win-now-before-I-forget-it attitude led the Yanks to acquire pieces, such as Raul Mondesi, that never should have been in New York.

When Cashman made his power play, he and his people really turned things around. The Yankees are still big spenders; they can sign that big free agent — A-Rod, anyone? — when they have to, but they’ve built up an organization that is in the top five of all Minor League systems. They’ve got the chips to use when the time and returns are right, and they’re developing a core group of kids who are well on their way to becoming the next set of homegrown Yankee greats.

I believe that losing Cashman would not be a good move for the Yankee organization. Through thick and thin, Cashman has sustained Yankee success. He did it while facing constant pressure from a Boss who meddled too much in baseball affairs, and he did it by building up the farm when the Boss finally backed off. I’d hate to see the Steinbrenner brothers push him out, and Hank and Hal would be wise to heed a fan base and ownership in Philadelphia who could use a GM with Cashman’s ability to construct a top-notch Big League club while building up the farm for the future.

Categories : Front Office
  • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....rticleFull

    this article scares me. Cashman seems to clearly allude to leaving after the year. who knows who Hank would hire as the next GM – it could be a crazy win-now-at-all-costs guy that he probably wants. Cashman is building a longterm, efficient contender.

  • http://jukeofurl.wordpress.com juke

    Strong argument for Cash. AND good luck…

    Hey! Let’s start here: While technically correct, I wish people would stop referring to Hank & Hal as young or the ‘kids.’ Yeah, since he’s their biological father, they are younger than George, relatively younger, yes. Young? No; men in their 50s are NOT young.

    Seems like nitpicking? it’s a gross & demeaning mischaracterization to suggest they are anything but men of late middle-age, who have been in business well over 25+ years. Would be nice if they were the ‘young,’ new owners. They ain’t.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I see your point and changed it. When I’m 50, I hope someone calls me young.

  • Rich

    The guy is mistaken. Cashman was opposed to trading for Randy Johnson. It was George’s decision to pursue him, and he let Randy Levine handle the negotiations with Arizona. It has been widely reported that the D’backs could have had Wang and Cano in the deal, but they turned them down.

    Cash preferred to use the money that was allocated to RJ’s salary to sign Beltran.

    We should also not overlook the fact that the reason that the Yankees had to pursue Johnson, Pavano, etc. is because the farm system was not turning out quality pitching prospects, partly because they were burning top picks on free agent signings, but also because they were drafting so poorly.

    It is extremely telling that once Cash finally gained authority over the draft (including the strategy to target high ceiling prospects with signability issues), the farm system started to flourish.

    As I have pointed out on the sites that have unfairly criticized Cashman, it is an elementary principle of business management that the key to a successful organization is to hire, supervise, and retain quality people. Cashman has done that.

    By his own admission, Cashman’s strength is not talent evaluation. He has demonstrated, however, that he can to develop and implement a successful plan.

    Granted, Cashman has made mistakes, but Hank and Hal would rue the day that they lose him.

  • E-ROC

    I hope Cashman stays. He seemed discouraged when answering some of the questions at that charity event in Boston. Almost to the point that he knows he might not be back with the Yanks after the season. Just the “tone” of his answers to those questions in the Boston Herald has me worried. :(

  • RollignWave

    While i’m not sure that if others would do a better job, Cashman clearly has something that we havn’t seen since Gene Michael’s days as GM

    1.competence
    2.a plan

    it doesn’t sound like much, but you’d be surprised at how many GMs in baseball don’t appear to have those 2 things.

    EVERY GM will get burned by some moves / drafts. but we have to look at the larger picture . a.did the move at the time make sense b. does his overall result remain good.

  • Jeff

    Cashman obviously falls on your side of the fence with the Phil Hughes staying philosphy but I think he is mediocre at best. Every contract we hand out is overblown. Clemens was the cake.
    Also, or the last couple of years we have seen our team go into the season with a great line-up and a weak rotation. I really think with all the teams wealth he could have done better. This year with the ability to get Santana is another instance of turning down the chance to greatly improve the rotation. Sorry guys Santana is better than Hughes plain and simple.
    I won’t blame him for Pavano or RJ. Who would have known? But Kevin Brown instead of Bartolo Colone. Igawa?
    Also, we gave Gary Schefield the same contract the Angels got Vladdy for. That one burned my ass at the time. Maybe you guys can enlighten me as to why that happened.
    Lastly, if I compare the job he’s done with Theo Epstein I think he has been outshown by a landslide.

    • yankeemonkey

      Isn’t it pretty well known at this point that George was the one who signed Sheff?

    • CLT_JR

      Also, Vlad had back issues. Teams were worried that with his violent swing that it would not hold up. I guess all the teams, but the Angels were wrong.

      • TurnTwo

        and if I remember correctly, I think the report was that Cashman had Vlad lined up for a contract and ready to go, and the whole thing was nixed bc George overruled him with the Sheffield deal.

  • snoop dogg resident

    “They’ve got the chips to use when the time and returns are right”

    A core of all-stars who have 4-5 years, or less, left in their prime

    losing 50 million off the payroll

    no lefty in the rotation

    no Ace in the rotation

    An ace who is available
    the best starting pitcher in the last 5 years
    a guy who can change the balance of power in the AL
    29 years old
    doesn’t have a history of injuries and doesn’t rely on breaking pitches
    which decreases his chances of injuries

    3 kids in the rotation on limited pitch counts coupled with a shaky bullpen

    “They’ve got the chips to use when the time and returns are right” – your quote. if the time is not right now for the best pitcher in the world than when is it right?

    • TurnTwo

      while i believe Andy Pettitte counts as a lefty in the current rotation, i can agree with this train of thought…

      if you are holding your primo chips for that special player to become available, and then you have the financial resources to take advantage of the system to lock that player up, wouldnt this just argue FOR trading to get Johan? he’s not special enough a player?

      while ive had discussions in the comments on this site about the topic, i am really just in the camp that i am not trading any of the Trinity, or really any of the top 5 prospects in the system, unless you are getting back a player that meets certain criteria: is a proven, all-star caliber player at the major league level; is younger than 30 so that i am taking advantage of the prime of his career; and i can control his talent for 4 years, or more.

      there are very few players in this league that meet this criteria, and itd be fun to see what other people think of who this might include, considering the team’s current situation and roster.

  • TurnTwo

    i used to be a waswatching reader, but i just dont get his apparent anger with Cashman… its like anything that is done wrong in the system falls on his lap (bad signings, bullpen construction), and the things done right in the organization (draft strategies, promoting from within) is credited to someone else.

  • Pfistyunc

    I might be in the minority here, but I am an avid Cashman hater. This news is the best of the winter and I would love to help him pack his shit and throw it in the U-haul. Without Gene Michael’s coattails and a limitless checkbook, Cashman will demonstrate his incompetence to the lovable, forgiving Philly fans in a very short timeframe.

  • Bo

    Hes built such a bad bench and terrible bullpen that they’ve made the playoffs 12 years in a row.

    With 4 titles in there.

    Yeah, hes a terrible GM.

    Also the fact that hes built the farm system from the worst in the majors to top 5 in 2 years since he got control.

    He stinks!

    • Alvaro

      Cashman’s lack of attention to constructing a team with quality depth has been his biggest weakness IMO.

      He wanted Beltran over Randy, Vlad over Shef and can anyone really dog him for acquiring both Weaver and Vazquez?

      • Rich

        The reasons that the Yankees have lacked quality depth are: 1) the roster has been so top heavy with big contracts that there hasn’t been enough payroll flexibility to sign good backups, and 2) the farm system wasn’t producing enough inventory.

        Cashman bears some, but not all, responsibility for the former, and none for the latter.

  • http://www.yanksblog.com James Varghese

    Living in Philly, I can guarantee you that all of Philadelphia would throw the guy a ticker tape parade if they added Cash as a GM (and that the lovefest would last for a year…maybe less).

  • steve (different one)

    yes, George personally signed Sheffield, but don’t let facts ruin a good rant.

    also, Bartolo Colon? hilarious.

    Colon was an absolutely disastrous signing for Anahaim. he got $51M for 4 years. in 3 of the 4 years, he had an ERA over 5.00. he was a complete and utter bust. 1 good year in 4 seasons for $51M.

    only someone with an agenda would place passing on Colon on the “Con” side of Cashman’s ledger. any objective analysis would credit Cashman with that decision.

    • Pfistyunc

      You forgot two things: he stole a Cy Young award and also had the worst haircut in the history of baseball.

  • Bill Porter

    I wish the Kinderstien would observe the old maxim “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” and leave Ca$h alone. He arrived at an an organizational agreement in 2005 that has resulted in the rejuvenation of the organization. Squeezing him out the door now would be the height of idiocy; mismanagement at its worst. I have no desire to go back to the pre ’94 days or the 2001 – 2005 era of wanton mindless gluttony. Ca$h has the the entire organization on the verge of capturing a formula and model that will ensure it remains competitive indefinitely. How could they turn their back on that? The Stiens ought to be kissing his ass not greasing the skids for his departure.

    • Larry

      Well said, Bill.

  • Bill Porter

    Oh and by the way Lombardi is simply running after Ca$h for the attention. He has advertised subscription advertising on his space. (12/27/2007) He needs traffic to sell it. What better way to create traffic than to buck the trend and trash a successful and popular GM. I don’t place comments at his site because I wont register to do so and help him out with his effort. He either needs a dog or a girl friend or both to occupy his time and distract him from this Ca$h campaign. (double entendre intended) In any event he should knock it off because he is looking pretty juvenile and pathetic in carrying it on.

    • Raf

      Steve’s position on Cashman has been pretty consistent, and has been that way for a while.

  • Jeff

    I would put Colon and a CY young ahead of Brown and his broken back. I don’t think the Contract was a good one as he did break down but to the degree of not having 20 20 hindsight missing him while going for Brown was a bad decision.
    If you guys want to blam GMs for contracts that don’t pan out than go all the way and lets get on Cash for Povano RJ and the rest. I don’t do that because you are trying to evaluate on decision making. And in some cases Cash has made the wrong move.
    Wait it was George… is that the argument? Looks like Cash only takes orders so I don’t know what you are so in love with. The great negotiated contracts he gives? I think 20 mil for a couple months of Clemens was a bargain. Yep and Posada and Mariano were resigned for pennies on the dollar. Damond blew him right out of Boston – worth it? Farnsworth? The list could go on and on. He pays players to come here or stay here like we are the Royals. If we could get a GM that could negotiate a contract we would be so much better off.

  • RZG

    Steve at WasWatching is similar to Chris Russo, finding fault in everything and everyone. I think deep down he’s a Yankee self-hater.

    If you critique his writing he throws back a “you sound like a fan with Yankee blinders”.

    It’s a shame because his writing was good when he wouldn’t fixate on his enemy of the month but he doesn’t seem to realize he’s become Captain Ahab and Cashman is his latest in a long line of Moby Dicks.

  • RobertGKramer

    Well here’s what I posted about Cashman:

    “If ever an award is established for Most Valuable Executive, Brian Cashman will get every vote every year during his lifetime and maybe even beyond.
    Are any GMs in the Hall of Fame, or will Brian be the first?”

    And Jeff, you’re a Bosox fan and this is very, very low. What rule do you have about pretenders on S&P?

    Ben, I like the way you think. No wonder Dan ranks you #1.

  • snoop dogg resident

    To me the biggest idictment on Cashman is the fact that with a payroll of over 200 million, this team has, over the years, had gaping holes at various an intergal parts of the team. that signifies poor use of resources. I am not necessary going to place blame on him for the playoff losses, but I will place blame on him for numerous years without a bullpen – no athletisism in the outfield to the point that Melky looked like an allstar and not being able to find a competant 1B to take Giambi. A team with 5 DHs on it – no set-up men and 15 rookie starters (an exageration, I know) with the resources they have is unforgivable. My biggest problem with him was letting Pettite go to Houston. I got the feeling that was a lot him and even though Andy got hurt that year – they very well may have had a ring if Andy had spent his whole career in pinstripes – letting him go led to the brown/pavano debacles and then the eventual acquisition of RJ

    to many mistake, especially in the starting rotation to give him a pass despite whathe has done for the minor league system

  • Jeff

    Robert… calling me a Sox fan is way out of line. I just don’t share your blind love for Cashman… and I think your quote is ridiculous.

    • Ray Istorico

      Amen re: snoop dogg resident’s comments. Some more rain on the Cashman Walks On Water Parade:
      A number of people that comment on this site could probably have done as good a job in making the Yanks personnel decisions the past 10 seasons as he has. Give Mark Newman a chance to run the entire show and you may soon forget about Brian (bullpen – what bullpen? left handers wherefore art thou?) Cashman.

  • Count Zero

    Personally, I think many of you underestimate what it takes to be the GM of the Yankees. As if having a $200MM payroll washes away all management difficulties and makes it an easy job. On the contrary, the more wealth is at stake, the tougher the job gets.

    Ray’s comment: “A number of people that comment on this site could probably have done as good a job in making the Yanks personnel decisions the past 10 seasons as he has.” is particularly silly.

    I have news for all of you armchair execs — being the GM of a company as large as the Yankees is way beyond 99.99% of the people in this country’s abilities. Wake up and smell the coffee — most of you aren’t even clear on what a GM’s responsibilities are. You seem to think all a GM does is sit back and go, “Hmmm…let’s see…who should I go out and sign today? Who can I trade for?” If it were that easy, then any successful rotisserie player could handle the job. Sorry, it’s not.

    You can fairly question Cashman’s judgment on a lot of personnel decisions. In fact, you can question a lot of any GM’s judgment on personnel decisions. Sometimes you gamble and lose no matter who you are. The bottom line in terms of evaluation is: How much shareholder wealth is created? and What’s your W-L record? Cashman has done pretty well on both those lines.

    IMO, replacing Cashman would be as difficult as replacing A-Rod.

    • http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-3211-0 Ray Istorico

      That part was a bit too facetious but the portion on Mark Newman still stands. Of course there are a million more important things on earth than the fortunes of the New York Yankees but I for one am tired – and amazed – by all the genuflecting at the Cashman altar (especially in light of the important efforts of so many other people behind the Yankee front lines that contributed to the W-L record). Speaking of silly comments: comparing Cashman as GM to being as vital as A-Rod the player? Get Newman – or Ken Williams – in there and you’d be pleasantly surprised. Let’s not get visions of Cashman’s HOF plaque just yet (but stranger things have happened – Bowie Kuhn for example).

      • Count Zero

        I am not under the delusion that Cashman is as “vital” to the Yankees as ARod, or that he belongs in the Hall. But I do believe he would be just as difficult to replace as ARod.

        As I stated before, it’s a misconception that being the GM of the Yankees is easier than being GM of say…the KC Royals. Number 1, you face 100x the scrutiny and you are always expected to win. Number 2, every agent in baseball tries to use as part of his strategy. Number 3, teams deal with you tougher than they deal with anyone else. Number 4, there is a lot more revenue riding on any decision you make. Number 5…well you get the idea. If you doubt this, just look at the history of GMs for the top five payroll ballclubs over the past two decades. How many of them would you say have been successful? Just looking crosstown is useful as a comparison point…

        I question how well even Billy Beane would fare as GM of the Yankees. Name me the surefire success that you would replace Cashman with, then maybe I’ll hop on the “good riddance” train with you. :-)

  • RobertGKramer

    Jeff-I may have you confused with another Jeff. Your style is exactly like him and he “dislikes all thing New York Professional Sports.” What is your last name or initial and what state do you live in?

  • Phil McCracken

    Cashman passed on Randy Johnson in 1998 for Lowell, Irabu, and Bush

    He passed on Beckett for Wang and Eric Duncan.

    He passed on Roy Oswalt

    He has the most money in the league to deal with, his drafts should be amazing since the Yankees can pay 4 times the slot rating.

    He has a scouting system that is worldwide.

    Enough praise for a guy who should be winning ever year with the tools at his fingertips.

    • steve (different one)

      Cashman passed on Randy Johnson in 1998 for Lowell, Irabu, and Bush

      how did that season end up? or the next season? or the season after that?

      RJ was a rental. he walked after the season. maybe the yankees would have extended him, maybe not. but i never thought i’d hear yankee fans complaining about anything that happened in 1998.

      it would have been awesome to get him, but it’s kindof hard to criticize a GM that came 2 outs from winning the next FOUR world series after that trade deadline.

      He passed on Beckett for Wang and Eric Duncan.

      first, it was Wang and Cano.

      second, Wang has outperformed Beckett since then, or does 2006 not count? yes, it would have been great to have Beckett, but the Yankees didn’t have the chips. i doubt you can back up your claim that Cashman passed for Wang and Duncan. if you can, i’ll admit i am wrong, but i don’t think you can.

      when did he “pass” on Oswalt?

      • Phil McCracken

        “Still, when the Marlins closed in on a deal over the weekend – first with Texas before the Red Sox met the Marlins’ asking price – the Yankees did investigate. The Marlins asked for starter Chien-Ming Wang in addition to prospects, including the Class AA third baseman Eric Duncan, but indicated that they still preferred the Red Sox deal.”

        http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11.....ref=slogin

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          From the same article: “We’ve learned over time that when you have pieces that are working here in New York, don’t waste your time trying to upgrade something that works,” Cashman said yesterday. “Spend your time working on areas that need to be addressed. We’re going to embrace the guys we know can thrive in this environment.”

          They refused to trade Cano or Wang that season, and that was a very sound decision. Plus, the article also says the Marlins preferred what the Red Sox were willing to give up. So it wouldn’t have been Wang and Duncan alone for Beckett. You’re simplifying a complex situation.

          • Phil McCracken

            It says that they refused to trade Cano and Wang “that season” meaning other trade options. Wang and Duncan were the pieces for the Beckett trade.

      • Rob_in_CT

        Lowell, Irabu and Bush for RJ in 1998 would’ve been pretty nice, regardless of the outcome of the next couple of seasons. I’ve never before heard of that non-deal, though. Is there a source on that?

        I’ve read that Cashman’s first trade was Lowell. Oops on that one. Lowell > Brosius/Ventura/assorted garbage pre-ARod, and the return on the trade was poor. Speaking of ARod, that was a great trade with Texas. Really, really, really good deal there, and one I think lots of people forget.

        Wang+Cano for Beckett… would’ve been a bad trade. Beckett was bad in ’06 and extremely good in ’07. Wang was good both years, and the average of the two has him ahead, IMO. Granted, going forward I would bet on Beckett to be better. Still, even if you think Beckett clearly > Wang, which is fine, Cano is one of the best 2Bmen in baseball, and I think he’s going to get even better.

        I, for one, certainly don’t claim Cashman hasn’t made mistakes. I think he’s gotten better at his job – he was pretty green when he took over. I think he’s a much better GM now than he was in 1998. That doesn’t make him perfect, or the best GM in the majors. I think he’s above-average. Not great, but solid.

        • Rob_in_CT

          Ack, I forgot that the Beckett trade included Lowell as well – and the Yanks (like everyone else including Boston, I believe) thought he was done. Ok, so Wang+? for Beckett/Lowell. Hmm. Lowell could’ve played some 1B, I guess. He would’ve been an upgrade over what the Yanks had.

          The thing is, though, that Times article opens by saying the Yanks had almost no shot at getting Beckett because the Marlins wanted the Boston prospects. Given that, I don’t see what the angst is about.

        • Phil McCracken

          “Instead, the Yankees decided to pass on Johnson, refusing Seattle’s request for pitcher Hideki Irabu, the minor league infielder Mike Lowell and a second Class A player, and Johnson was traded to the Houston Astros. ”

          http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....A96E958260

          My problem is that Cashman refused to trade for RJ in his prime, yet threw away Lowell for Ed Yarnall.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            Yup, no doubt the Mike Lowell trade was a bad one. I wrote about that back in May. It was certainly not the pinnacle of Brian Cashman’s tenure as GM. The non-trade for RJ looks pretty bad in hindsight as an isolated incident, but the Yanks did win the World Series in 1998, 1999 and 2000. Ironic then that RJ was instrumental in stopping them from winning in 2001. I’m going to write about that later.

            • Phil McCracken

              It wasn’t just a bad move passing on RJ, it was a horrible move.

              Passing on RJ in 1998 costed them the 2001 World Series for certain, and probably would have given them enough firepower to win in 2003 and 2004.

              • Raf

                Not quite sure I agree with that; Pettitte blowing gm 6 and Rivera blowing game 7 was just as important. 2003 the Yanks unfortunately had problems with Weaver & Wells, and we saw what happened in 2004 with Rivera blowing saves in games 4 & 5.

        • Phil McCracken

          Funny that you bring up the A-Rod trade as being a great trade. I agree it was a fantastic trade, and was thrilled about it since Soriano had no patience at the plate.

          What people forget though, it the A-Rod trade could have been terrible. Besides trading Soriano, the Yankees included a “player to be named later”. The Rangers were offered 3 players and took Joaquin Arias. One of the 3 players offered was Robinson Cano.

          Would the trade have been great if it was Soriano and Cano for A-Rod? Probably not so much…

  • Jeff

    Robert- you have me confused cause I hate all Boston sports. My nephew bought a Sox hat and I threw it in the garbage. He was wondering where it went.
    Anyways I just think Cashman blows too much cash on poorly negotiated contracts and I haven’t heard anyone argue that. And our rotation and pen should be the priority (playoffs are won with pitching) and for the last couple of years we’ve been too short in that department to see the team finishing any better than they have. This year is just another example.

  • Rob_in_CT

    To be fair, Jeff, the rotation has been the priority for some time. Getting it back to where it needs to be has been difficult. Vasquez was a good idea that didn’t work. Actually, to me the mistake was twofold: overrating Vasquez in the first place and then giving up on him too soon. He’s had some useful years since. Weaver was, in retrospect, a mistake. And I liked Ted Lilly. Contreras was wanted by other teams (Luccino dubbed the Yanks the Evil Empire because they outbid him for Jose), but sucked as a Yank (and as a White Sock except for that one, admittedly excellent, year). RJ and Brown I never understood, though some claim RJ wasn’t Cash’s idea and Brown came at little cost. Igawa is a bust so far, and considering Cashman said over and over he thought of him as a “back of the rotation” starter (which proved optimistic), I don’t understand the outlay for him. That one is odd, and may go down as an overreaction to being outbid on Matsuzaka (who hasn’t exactly been great).

    There are few alternatives I can think of that the Yanks could realistically have pursued. Shilling comes to mind. Dunno if they could’ve outbid the Sox in that trade, and if they could’ve, what (or rather who) it would’ve cost, but obviously Shilling was a good move by the Sox.

    Beckett… in order to beat out the Sox, they’d have had to give up Wang + something better than Duncan. That’s not a clear win for the Yanks (Wang is good, and depending on who else they added to the trade, it could’ve ended up a negative) – especially if Beckett’s 2006 had come in NY… dude, it would’ve been VICIOUS. It would’ve been Vasquez, part II. Awful. Meanwhile, Boston would’ve kept Hanley Ramirez. Ponder that one.

  • Phil McCracken

    The problem is that since 2000 the Yankees haven’t had a clear cut ace #1 starter. Cashman has had 7 years to trade, sign a free agent, or develop that player that has been needed. Hasn’t happened in 7 years with the biggest budget in baseball for free agency.

    Look what Dombrowski has done with the bottom feeding Tigers in less time. Taken them from the worst team in the league to a regular contender. And he had more problems to fix- offense, rotation and bullpen.

    Let Cashman go to Philly. Without the resources he’s had in New York he’s a nobody.

    • Raf

      Mussina came on board in time for the 2001 season; I’d say he was a clear cut ace.

      Dombrowski’s Tigers missed the playoffs this year. They have also won less games than the Yanks since they became a contender.

  • RobertGKramer

    Jeff-I understand your arguement…we’ll have to agree to disagree. And why can’t the rich kid waste his money… or the largest revenue producer. Not all things in life work out! Now what’s that initial and state?

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  • snoop dogg resident

    cashman’s trak reord in non-salary jump trade is aweful espeially in recent years. now that the sport is in suh good shape and salary dumps are few and far between he has struggled even more – trading and evaluating pithing is a glaring weakness for him

    as for the RJ trade — looks really bad in hindsiht now and as for the lowell da – I hated that when it hsppenef beause lowell’s value had to be moe than what he got – three young unproven prospets who if i remember were not very highly covetted

    what has made it worse is that he is now gun-shy. perhaps he doesnt think the suporting cast is good enough to win. maybe he is afraid to fail with johan. it would be a lot easier for the fans to handle if the team fails with the kids – if they fail with johan he would get killed again alla bown pavano, 40 year young RJ, and wright.

    then again – maybe they just love hughes thst much

    ws

  • Raf

    For the Lowell trade detractors, at the time he was blocked at 3b & 1b by Brosius (who coming off the ’98 postseason, signed a 3 year deal) & Martinez. Where was he going to play?

  • RobertGKramer

    Jeff, Where are you? literally? Send me an E-Mail RobertGKramer@AOL.Com!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      You do know that there is more than one Jeff in the world, right?