The obligatory Roger Clemens post

Rudy's New England baseball blunder, Part II
Cognitive dissonance surrounding Joba's future role

This one’s for you, steve. As we all know, Roger Clemens held a press conference this afternoon to discuss the Mitchell Report and his response to it. To put it bluntly, the press conference was a circus through and through. For the most part, Clemens and his lawyer rightly lashed out at the media for the piss poor coverage of Clemens’ response and their unreasonable demands for an immediate response from the Rocket. The conference ended with Rocket basically storming away from the dais.

Meanwhile, the other part — a replaying of the recorded phone conversation from Friday between Clemens and Brian McNamee — was fairly anticlimactic. While Clemens’ lawyer claims the ambiguous phone call in which McNamee never says he or Clemens is lying about their stances on Clemens’ injections — steroids or B12, respectively — the phone call wasn’t exactly a smoking gun that alleviated all doubt of guilt from the shoulders of Clemens.

Tellingly enough, Clemens did not really answer the question when someone asked him why he let McNamee inject him, and he said that McNamee provided his injections. So basically, we can see the defense he’s carving out for himself: He thought B12 just meant B12 while McNamee, taking a cue from accepted baseball insider lingo, thought that B12 meant steroids. So there you go. We’re right back where we started, and this pissing contest is just getting started.

Rudy's New England baseball blunder, Part II
Cognitive dissonance surrounding Joba's future role
  • Rich

    I thought that the recorded phone conversation put Clemens in a far worse light than McNamee, who came across as a man that sounded like he had betrayed a friend by telling the truth.

  • Bbig

    I agree with Rich. The phone conversation was weird. That bit about McNamee’s son being sick and dying was pretty fucked up. McNamee sounded like a guy who was overwhelmed with all the shit that was going wrong in his life, like a guy who’s son was dying, and who had been forced to rat out a man who was literally responsible for the success of McNamee’s career. When McNamee offered to go to jail for Clemens it seemed like he was a desperate man at the end of his rope who was forced to rat out Clemens, even though he didn’t want to, feels guilty, and can’t handle it when combined with his son’s sickness. It seemed like McNamee was offering to perjure himself to let Clemens off the hook, not because it was true but rather because it was better for Clemens.

    • brxbmrs

      Bbig, I saw it the same as you – FWIW. Its almost like they were avoiding the elephant in the room – talking around the main point – i.e. “Roger could have said why did you lie about me?” (Witness tampering or not) – I think he was afraid that McN would have said, “ROg, you know I didn;t lie”.

      ALthough McN did not supposedly know the conversation was being recorded, he sounded like he did not want to ay anything concrete.

      Rog isn’t going to be able the questions the way he wants before Congress (if they do their job) – its going to be yes or no.

      The thing I didn’t like is when Rog was asked if he provided the B-12 and Lidocane to McN – when he finally sort of answered it on the third try, to me it seemed like he was leaving the door open to say McN told him it was those things but McN deceived and juiced him w\o his knowledge.

      Having said all that I don’t care – CLemens is yesterday – unfortunately b\c the way baseball has gone about pulling the band aid off so slowly we still have to hear this garbage until something else knockks it off the back pages.

  • Bbig

    here’s a story to further show how fucked up this has become:

  • Steve S

    That tape was anything but confusing. Coassack said it, and so did Clemens’ attorney. If they want to stay within the paramters of the law, he couldnt seem in any way to be coercing McNamee to say he didnt do steroids. And Roger did say I want the truth to come out. Think about it from Clemens perspective. he probably has half a dozen attorneys watching and listening tothe conversation. he also knows that this will get broadcast to a million people. He handled it as well as he could. Imagine the sympathy he might arouse if he told a guy crying about his kid dieing that he should go to jail. The one thing that is clear is that McNamee has been held behind his attorneys for a reason. And if everyone thought that Mike Wallace was soft, go check out Jon Heyman’s article. He quotes McNamee as saying he would rather be called a liar than a drug pusher. Really, then why in the world was he being investigated by the FBI? When this all started I thought Clemens did do steroids, but the more this goes on its becoming apparent that a lot of people have made mistakes. And it appears that the media is now trying to figure out how to get out from behind the fact that they took McNamee’s statements as gospel before doing any kind of due diligence or proper investigation.

    Ben if you want to carry some major causes this is where it should start. New York City politics is sorted and the Yankees have played a role. But sports writers (and the media in general) have completely lost their minds in this scenario. People criticize the legal communities ethics, however, this situation makes it clear that those in the media, at least the majority, carry no ethcial standards of reporting and investigating. I mean ESPN has Steve Phillips commenting on this situation and what he thinks Clemens should answer. Steve Phillips was barely qualified to be a GM, and he now he is commenting on a story that has NO sports implications. Its irresponsible. And in the end Clemens may be lieing, but he said one thing that rings true. These writers and TV and radio guys have no cuplibility for what they say, report, and opine. Its one thing when you do that about a baseball team and their chances of winning a world series or making the playoffs, or trading for player. In this case were talking about a man’s entire life, his legacy, and his integrity. and in the end if Clemens is somehow vindicated then all he’ll get is some hollow apologies and a mark on him forever.

  • Rich

    Of course, Clemens said he wanted the truth to come out. Duh. He knew the conversation was being taped. He tried to set a trap for McNamee, but McNamee never become ensnared because he told investigators the truth about Clemens, and it has been tearing him up inside because, as I said, it caused him to betray a friend.

    • mooks

      Um, Rich, McNamee sounds pretty bad.

      McNamee never, ever, not once contradicts Clemens when Clemens says he never used steroids. Clemens though, comes damn close to witness tampering, but thats up to a US Attorney, to decide (I don’t think he tampered, he seems to have stayed at razors edge).

      I also remember, one part of the tape, the one that no one is mentioning.

      Its when clemens talks about hearing and reading stuff that isn’t true.

      And McNamee responds “Yea, I know man”.

      Vague enough, could mean anything, but to me, it sounds pretty damning to McNamee.

      Ironically, I thought Clemens did use stuff years ago, its kind of funny, but I think I was wrong now, either that, or Clemens did use, but McNamee wasn’t involved and lied (it would be ironic, intentionally lying, and the lies are the truth).

      • Rich

        Um, mooks, McNamee has clearly been devastated by the apparent problem with his son and the damage he did to Clemens as a result of having to drop a dime on him. It’s not like he wanted to come clean with the federal agents.

        McNamee realized that he had already betrayed a guy who, by his own admission, had treated him “like family,” and had taught him how “to raise his son.” He may not be up for membership in MENSA, but he knew that that Roger will deny doing ‘roids until he dies, so why should he bother contradicting him? It would have only risked angering him further, and in some pathetic and irrational way, McNamee still wants to be in Clemens’s good graces.

        That’s probably why he asked Clemens if he wanted him to go to jail, meaning that if he asked, he would now fall on his sword for him.

        • Steve S

          Um douche , why does McNamee offer to fire his attorneys and come down to Texas to speak at Clemens’ press conference? I dont think anyone is giving Clemens a complete pass, but to believe McNamee now is ridiculous. Use your head buddy, stop believing the hype the media is using because Clemens has been crucified for the last month based on this guy. This tape demonstrates at a minimum that McNamee is a liar. And even if you believe he told the truth to the investigators that means he is willing to lie because he said “I’ll go to jail”. His attorneys have ALSO acknowledged his problem with telling the truth by saying “he lied to Clemens’ investigators in order to ingratiate himself to a friend”. So even his own attorneys acknowledge he said the stuff about the forced interrogation.

          And the other question is, if there was no pressure for McNamee to give up Clemens and McNamee adores Clemens so much. WHY would he not just give up every other name and leave Clemens’ name out? Its not as if they could have proven Clemens did it and thereby targeted McNamee.

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