Yanks about to lock up Cano

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From Ken Rosenthal: The Yanks are close to a four-year deal with Robinson Cano. This would buy out all of his arbitration years for $30 million. Rosenthal says that the contract will include an option or two that will allow the Yanks to buy out some of Cano’s free agency.

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  • zack

    If true, and who knows with Kenny R, I wonder why only 4 years with 2 options instead of say, 6 with two options. Buying out the arb years for 30 million seems to be a great deal for Robbie and the Yanks both, but it would seem to make more sense for the Yanks to get a few more of those FA years too…Whatever, if true, I would expect a Wang contract soon too…

    • steve (different one)

      Buying out the arb years for 30 million seems to be a great deal for Robbie and the Yanks both, but it would seem to make more sense for the Yanks to get a few more of those FA years too

      you answered your own question.

      if it makes MORE sense for the Yankees to get more FA years, that means it makes LESS sense for Robbie to agree to do it.

      since the proposed deal is the one that is a good deal for both sides, they will agree to sign it. the yankees can’t force Robbie to give up more FA years.

  • Tripp

    I assume they’ll go year to year with Wang because of injury risks. This is great though financially it will save some money in the future.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      It’ll save them money as long as he doesn’t get hurt and turn into Alex Cora.

      • Glen L

        He’d have to have nearly record setting arbitration awards year in and year out for the yanks to save money on this

        • Daver

          If the contract includes two team option years like is being reported now, its potentially a steal to lock him up for his first two years of free agency. So for Cano the value is in the immediate future, and for the Yanks, if he continues down this path it’ll be during those two free agency years.

        • steve (different one)

          He’d have to have nearly record setting arbitration awards year in and year out for the yanks to save money on this

          how do you figure? who is an appropriate comp?

          • Glen L

            I believe (and i could be wrong .. wouldn’t be the first time nor the 87628464 time) but I believe the biggest arbitration awarded based on a player’s requested salary at ANY position was Miggy Cabrera at 7.4mm

            this does not count the 10mm awarded to Soriano as he wanted 12mm

            that was my basis for saying it would be record breaking

            • steve (different one)

              (of course, i replied to the wrong post below):

              i think you are missing something. yes, Miguel Cabrera probably set a record with his $7.4M arbitration settlement.

              what you are missing is that it may have been a record FIRST YEAR arbitration settlement.

              players in the their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year of arbitration get more than $7.4M all the time.

              in general, arbitration settlements get higher each year.

              so, Robbie would get something like $4M this year. Next year, he’d get something like $7M. in 2010, he might get $10M. in 2011, he might get $12M.

              in other words, nothing out of the ordinary at all has to occur for this contract to save the Yankees some money.

      • RollignWave

        well, the worest Cano can go to is probably Carlos Baerga, let’s just hope that doesn’t happen.. or a Jose Vidro. 2B are a little more injury prone than most non-catcher / pitcher guys… but still.

  • steve (different one)

    i hope they wait one more season on Wang.

  • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

    part of me thinks Cano will be even more nonchalant now with $30 mil guaranteed. the Yanks previous policy had been to have the player ‘earn’ a long contract and get paid via FA. please tell me he’ll play hard every game…

    • steve (different one)

      why does everyone keep saying shit like this about Robbie?

      what are you basing this on?

      • Glen L

        I don’t get this either .. I guess having one of the two (i suppose i’ll err on the side of caution and say maybe 3) best 2B in baseball on the team isn’t good enough for most people

        • steve (different one)

          i think you are missing something. yes, Miguel Cabrera probably set a record with his $7.4M arbitration settlement.

          what you are missing is that it may have been a record FIRST YEAR arbitration settlement.

          players in the their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year of arbitration get more than $7.4M all the time.

          in general, arbitration settlements get higher each year.

          so, Robbie would get something like $4M this year. Next year, he’d get something like $7M. in 2010, he might get $10M. in 2011, he might get $12M.

          in other words, nothing out of the ordinary at all has to occur for this contract to save the Yankees some money.

    • rbizzler

      Travis, that was a nonchalant post. Have any numbers or info to back up that claim. Otherwise it is just empty rhetoric. Robbie plays hard every night and has shown continued improvement (especially defensively). Methinks that your eyes do deceive you when you watch Robbie play.

      Do not mistake confidence and polish for nonchalance…

      • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

        no, of course stats cant back up something like that. it’s something i have observed. if you’ve watched a lot of games, you’ve seen him jog to 1b at times and make errant throws to 1b turning a DP (he rarely jumps over the sliding runner, instead using his great arm strength to turn it – in other words, he sorta falls away from the runner while throwing which leads to some bad throws. it also opens him up to a spike if a runner was so inclined.).

        • rbizzler

          So you’re say that the way that he turns the DP makes you think that he doesn’t care? I disagree as he can turn the DP any way that he wants as long as he gets it done.

          Was he nonchalant during his 40+ game errorless streak last year in the wake of his three error game against the Mets?

          • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

            hey, it’s a testament to his talent that he CAN get it done while doing that. i dont doubt his immense talent.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    To the Cano doubters, I offer you a Nate Silver Baseball Prospectus chat:

    Tony (Brooklyn, NY): Robinson Cano’s PECOTA? Does he project to be a high-variability player? Thanks!

    Nate Silver: He’s not particuarly high-variability. He’s either going to be a pretty good ballplayer like Carlos Baerga or a really freakin’ good ballplayer like … someone better than Carlos Baerga. The scenarios where he crashes and burns are pretty much off the table at this point.

    For $30 million over four years, I’d take it. At his peak, Carlos Baerga was a pretty damn good second baseman.

  • Ivan

    Cano is a special hitter no question and his defense at second is a plus as well.

    The only question with Cano is the desire and how hard is he willing to be great. Plus, Cano tends to be lackidazical and tends to lose focus. You worry about that. Nevertheless, the guy is a great talent, has power to all fields and the only question his offense is his plate disipline which improve in the seocnd half.

    You can make the arguement right that other than A-Rod, Cano just might be the best pure hitter in the yankee lineup. I don’t think that’s not crazy to say.

  • Tripp

    I’m not saying that he’s not slack sometimes, but I’d like to see some scouting reports that mention this. He has a personal trainer and he keeps himself in shape. Seems as though he’s working for the money.

  • Alvaro

    Kudos to the Yanks on this one. I see very little risk here.

  • Rob_in_CT

    Gosh, you know, I don’t really see the laspes of attention, at least not since the first year with the airmail throws into LF. His defense has gotten better and better – to the point where I think he’s the best defender on the team (Melky is in the discussion). He’s smooth… he sorta glides, but that’s not lazy, that’s, well, smooth. At the plate, I’ve seen real improvement in plate discipline… which takes work. In short, I call bullshit on the “Cano is lazy” line of thinking.

  • Count Zero

    I’ll add my name to the list of people who shake their heads at the “Cano nonchalants it” brigade.

    As far as I can see, the only reason people get this impression is that Cano is one of those naturally graceful athletes who make difficult plays look easy. He’s not doggin’ it — he just moves like a dancer. He doesn’t waste energy huffing and puffing, flailing his body around like an Eckstein — he moves efficiently and cleanly with very little expenditure of energy.

    That is precisely why he is a potential HOFer. Just consider how much better he got defensively in two years under Bowa — you think he did that by nonchalanting it? With Bowa? Bowa would be hating on him seriously if he was doggin’ it even a little bit.

  • steve (different one)

    He doesn’t waste energy huffing and puffing, flailing his body around like an Eckstein — he moves efficiently and cleanly with very little expenditure of energy.

    i can think of one other glaring difference between Cano and Eckstein that adds to the perception of “effort”, but i don’t think anyone want to go there.

    i will add that the only other Yankee that i hear similar gripes about is Bobby Abreu.

    • Count Zero

      Agreed. But’s let just leave that can of worms sealed up in the pantry. :-)

  • kunaldo

    agree with the guys that say BS about cano being lazy….it’s stupid….he’s one of the best defensive 2B in the league…and he’s great offensively(just needs to work on his selectivity)

    this is a great deal

  • Rich

    IMO, this move would be an indication that Cash is being heard by Hank and Hal. He believes in giving long term contracts to young players on the rise, not aging veterans.

    • RZG

      When has Cashman previously given long contracts to young players during their arbitration years? I really like Cashman but to me I think this is an example of Cashman listening to others in the organization rather than the other way around.

      That is unless Cashman’s turned around in his thinking which I would applaud.

      • steve (different one)

        Cashman actually had a 7 year, $119M contract all worked out with Jeter. this was a full year before he got his 10 year deal.

        Steinbrenner nixed it as he didn’t like buying out arbitration years.

        you can google this.

        • RZG

          Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the early try to re-sign Jeter.

  • Realist

    That’s great news! Robbie is a special player that is still developing offensively and defensively. My only gripe with him is that he doesn’t always run hard to 1st on ground outs……..but there are plenty of players who do it more frequently. Here’s to ya Robbie may you retire a Yankee :-)

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  • RollignWave

    Carlos Baerga at this stage (after age 24 season) was essentially one of the very best 2B ever at the simiiar stage, and Cano is one little shade above him.

    Baerga fell apart after this though.. with 2 good season then falling over a cliff. i’m hoping Cano doesn’t go down that path, because if he stays on track the train’s heading to cooperstown right now.