Comments on: Anatomy of an effective bullpen http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/ A New York Yankees Blog Sun, 27 May 2012 09:14:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50935 steve (different one) Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:21:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50935 also, just a general comment: just because you can find one example otherwise does not mean you have disproved the argument. also, just a general comment: just because you can find one example otherwise does not mean you have disproved the argument.

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50934 steve (different one) Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:19:58 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50934 i can't speak for Lanny, but i would imagine his comment was made towards middle-reliever types. most people concede that there are 2 tiers of relievers, closers and everyone else. closers are closers because they are consistently good. it's the second class of relievers that have proved to be poor investments time and time again on the free agent market because of the inherent volatility in their performance. i *think* that's what the discussion is about here. i can’t speak for Lanny, but i would imagine his comment was made towards middle-reliever types. most people concede that there are 2 tiers of relievers, closers and everyone else. closers are closers because they are consistently good.

it’s the second class of relievers that have proved to be poor investments time and time again on the free agent market because of the inherent volatility in their performance.

i *think* that’s what the discussion is about here.

]]> By: JCP http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50932 JCP Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:07:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50932 umm, that Wagner fella hasn't worked out too shabbily umm, that Wagner fella hasn’t worked out too shabbily

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50927 steve (different one) Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:36:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50927 Farnsworth, who i share your animosity towards, did seems to respond successfully to the change in his delivery late in the season. using that wind-up seemed to help him throw strikes. Girardi seems to like him and he does have a fantastic arm. i wouldn't be above trading him, but i also would NOT be all that surprised if he had a good year. depite the hatred from Yankee fans, Farnworth was actually not *that* bad in 2006. he wasn't the elite setup man he was being paid to be, but if Farns gives the Yankees his 2006 performance this year, i would be happy with that. Farnsworth, who i share your animosity towards, did seems to respond successfully to the change in his delivery late in the season. using that wind-up seemed to help him throw strikes.

Girardi seems to like him and he does have a fantastic arm. i wouldn’t be above trading him, but i also would NOT be all that surprised if he had a good year.

depite the hatred from Yankee fans, Farnworth was actually not *that* bad in 2006. he wasn’t the elite setup man he was being paid to be, but if Farns gives the Yankees his 2006 performance this year, i would be happy with that.

]]> By: Lanny http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50866 Lanny Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:07:26 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50866 Anyone that says we should have signed a free agent for the pen should be forced to go back and check the stats of all the free agents who signed multi yr deals for the pen for the past 4 yrs. After that horror show you can see why going with live arms ie a lot of them is the way to go. Anyone that says we should have signed a free agent for the pen should be forced to go back and check the stats of all the free agents who signed multi yr deals for the pen for the past 4 yrs.

After that horror show you can see why going with live arms ie a lot of them is the way to go.

]]> By: eric from morrisania http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50859 eric from morrisania Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:12:44 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50859 NO, DAMNIT!!! BRIAN CASHMAN MUST BE CRUCIFIED FOR NOT SIGNING ERIC GAGNE, FRANSISCO CORDERO, OCTAVIO DOTEL, SCOTT LINEBRINK, AND DAVID RISKE! WE'RE DOOMED TO FAIL BECAUSE OUR BULLPEN IS HORRIBLE!!! All jokes aside, I like our pen, but I'd still like to strengthen it by subtraction. I have no faith in Kyle Farnsworth to not repeat his douchebaggery and I'd love to deal him to a pitching-starved team in exchange for another outfielder, like a Rajai Davis, Reggie Abercrombie, Alfredo Amezaga, or Joey Gathright... a useful part that could play all three outfield spots with plus defense and have some speed on the basepaths as a pinch-runner. Farnsy sucks, so let's get something that will help us this season, because it won't be him (and we have about two dozen other options who would all be equal to him, at worst, and likely better...) NO, DAMNIT!!! BRIAN CASHMAN MUST BE CRUCIFIED FOR NOT SIGNING ERIC GAGNE, FRANSISCO CORDERO, OCTAVIO DOTEL, SCOTT LINEBRINK, AND DAVID RISKE!

WE’RE DOOMED TO FAIL BECAUSE OUR BULLPEN IS HORRIBLE!!!

All jokes aside, I like our pen, but I’d still like to strengthen it by subtraction. I have no faith in Kyle Farnsworth to not repeat his douchebaggery and I’d love to deal him to a pitching-starved team in exchange for another outfielder, like a Rajai Davis, Reggie Abercrombie, Alfredo Amezaga, or Joey Gathright… a useful part that could play all three outfield spots with plus defense and have some speed on the basepaths as a pinch-runner.

Farnsy sucks, so let’s get something that will help us this season, because it won’t be him (and we have about two dozen other options who would all be equal to him, at worst, and likely better…)

]]> By: iYankees http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50844 iYankees Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:27:04 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50844 The Yankees have a lot of different looks this year. Using guys like Edwar Ramirez (changeup) and Farnsworth in succession or combining the two to throw back-to-back innings would help them out. Ramirez's fastball needs work but Farnsworth's is top-notch. Farnswoth has a slider that he falls in love with too much (hell, it's a good pitch) but he doesn't locate well. Using Farnsworth's fastball primarily in the 7th inning, then falling back to Edwar's changeup (or vice versa) can really help Girardi out. Stuff like that actually works. The Yankees have a lot of different looks this year. Using guys like Edwar Ramirez (changeup) and Farnsworth in succession or combining the two to throw back-to-back innings would help them out. Ramirez’s fastball needs work but Farnsworth’s is top-notch. Farnswoth has a slider that he falls in love with too much (hell, it’s a good pitch) but he doesn’t locate well. Using Farnsworth’s fastball primarily in the 7th inning, then falling back to Edwar’s changeup (or vice versa) can really help Girardi out. Stuff like that actually works.

]]> By: iYankees http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50843 iYankees Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:24:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50843 Agreed. Mets fans were actually livid about giving up Bell, everyone expected him to put up big numbers (everyone except for execs working for the Mets). Agreed. Mets fans were actually livid about giving up Bell, everyone expected him to put up big numbers (everyone except for execs working for the Mets).

]]> By: dan http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50837 dan Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:47:24 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50837 Pecota predicted him to win the first ballot HOF award this year. His induction ceremony is scheduled for just prior to game 1 of the world series. Pecota predicted him to win the first ballot HOF award this year. His induction ceremony is scheduled for just prior to game 1 of the world series.

]]> By: Whitey14 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50834 Whitey14 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:01:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/06/anatomy-of-an-effective-bullpen-2099/#comment-50834 Steve, I know we've argued points to no avail in the past, but you've just brought up something that interests me greatly and I'd like to know you're thoughts further. I never knew there was a large faction of yankees fans that were not thrilled with joe torre. It seemed like he could do no wrong and every time georgie spoke out publicly against him the fans rose to defend him. From what I've read over the past few months, and capped off by your post today, it seems there are many yankee fans that were happy to see him go. As a redsox fan, Francona's mismanagement of the Sox bullpen is something I speak to quite frequently. I'm not a big fan of him pulling a guy because he gives up a hit, or forever going L-R-L-R for a hitter at a time. Were these some of the same things you were seeing from torre? I ask because not having the YES network here in Maine doesn't allow us to see more than about 25 yankee games a season and 19 of those are against Boston so many of the late inning match-ups are predetermined. Mike Myers vs. David Ortiz for example... Steve, I know we’ve argued points to no avail in the past, but you’ve just brought up something that interests me greatly and I’d like to know you’re thoughts further. I never knew there was a large faction of yankees fans that were not thrilled with joe torre. It seemed like he could do no wrong and every time georgie spoke out publicly against him the fans rose to defend him. From what I’ve read over the past few months, and capped off by your post today, it seems there are many yankee fans that were happy to see him go.

As a redsox fan, Francona’s mismanagement of the Sox bullpen is something I speak to quite frequently. I’m not a big fan of him pulling a guy because he gives up a hit, or forever going L-R-L-R for a hitter at a time. Were these some of the same things you were seeing from torre? I ask because not having the YES network here in Maine doesn’t allow us to see more than about 25 yankee games a season and 19 of those are against Boston so many of the late inning match-ups are predetermined. Mike Myers vs. David Ortiz for example…

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