Comments on: Expect Joba to start in the bullpen http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/ A New York Yankees Blog Sun, 27 May 2012 09:14:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mr. Yankee! http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-52018 Mr. Yankee! Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:10:24 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-52018 No, I do not believe it it short-sited. I think Joba could make the transition next year. I do not believe he is dedicated to being a bull pen guy the rest of his career, why do you think this? Convince me that he cannot make it to the rotation next year if he's in the bullpen this year and I'll agree with your initial point. No, I do not believe it it short-sited. I think Joba could make the transition next year. I do not believe he is dedicated to being a bull pen guy the rest of his career, why do you think this? Convince me that he cannot make it to the rotation next year if he’s in the bullpen this year and I’ll agree with your initial point.

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]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51929 steve (different one) Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:46:35 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51929 right, but that is extremely shortsighted. yes, Joba will likely be a #3-4 in 2008. and with those innings under his belt, he could be a #2 in 2009, and a lights out ace in 2010. if you keep him in the bullpen for all of 2008, he will be in the exact same boat next year. frankly i am a bit surprised how anyone can miss this crucial and extremely obvious point. you have essentially committed him to be a reliever for the rest of his career, which is a trememdous waste. so yes, he *could* have more value in 2008 relieving. but this isn't about just 2008. it's about 2009-2015. looking at things one season at a time is a horrible way to run a team. right, but that is extremely shortsighted. yes, Joba will likely be a #3-4 in 2008. and with those innings under his belt, he could be a #2 in 2009, and a lights out ace in 2010.

if you keep him in the bullpen for all of 2008, he will be in the exact same boat next year. frankly i am a bit surprised how anyone can miss this crucial and extremely obvious point.

you have essentially committed him to be a reliever for the rest of his career, which is a trememdous waste.

so yes, he *could* have more value in 2008 relieving.

but this isn’t about just 2008. it’s about 2009-2015.

looking at things one season at a time is a horrible way to run a team.

]]> By: BIG APPLE SPORTS http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51810 BIG APPLE SPORTS Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:14:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51810 Joba will be fine no matter where he pitches. I think we need more help out of the pen, and we know he can and will lock down the 8th to build the bridge to Mo. We've got some depth in the rotation, so I'd like to see Joba out of the pen for one more year. Joba will be fine no matter where he pitches. I think we need more help out of the pen, and we know he can and will lock down the 8th to build the bridge to Mo. We’ve got some depth in the rotation, so I’d like to see Joba out of the pen for one more year.

]]> By: Mr. Yankee! http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51792 Mr. Yankee! Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:16:39 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51792 Sorry Steve I was a bit harsh, shouldn't have called you an idiot. But in all seriousness, Joba hasn't started above AA. This year it is not unreasonable to say that the #1 prospect in baseball will project to a 3 or 4 in the Yankees rotation. Do you honestly think a pitcher who hasn't pitched above AA will outperform Petitte, Wang, Hughes, and IPK? Even if Joba is able to outperform 2 of them, he's still only a #3. For this year, is it worth it to have a #3, or a shut down 8th inning guy? I say the latter, and that's my reasoning. Sorry Steve I was a bit harsh, shouldn’t have called you an idiot. But in all seriousness, Joba hasn’t started above AA. This year it is not unreasonable to say that the #1 prospect in baseball will project to a 3 or 4 in the Yankees rotation. Do you honestly think a pitcher who hasn’t pitched above AA will outperform Petitte, Wang, Hughes, and IPK? Even if Joba is able to outperform 2 of them, he’s still only a #3. For this year, is it worth it to have a #3, or a shut down 8th inning guy? I say the latter, and that’s my reasoning.

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51785 steve (different one) Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:08:26 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51785 amen pete. amen pete.

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51784 steve (different one) Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:05:14 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51784 hence the word "potential". but yes, i am an idiot. no one is debating that. what is up for debate is that it is "likely" that Joba will be a #3/4 starter. if it is "likely" that Joba Chamberlain is a #3/4 starter, than there will never be a pitching prospect that will be projected higher than a back of the rotation starter. Joba is the #1 pitching prospect in all of baseball. if Joba isn't a potential #1 starter, no one will ever be. hence the word “potential”.

but yes, i am an idiot. no one is debating that.

what is up for debate is that it is “likely” that Joba will be a #3/4 starter.

if it is “likely” that Joba Chamberlain is a #3/4 starter, than there will never be a pitching prospect that will be projected higher than a back of the rotation starter. Joba is the #1 pitching prospect in all of baseball.

if Joba isn’t a potential #1 starter, no one will ever be.

]]> By: Mr. Yankee! http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51763 Mr. Yankee! Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:35:27 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51763 Steve, are you an idiot? You are right... what team doesn't need a #1. However, you are talking about a guy who has started what, 1 game over AA? You don't know what he is... he could flame out as a starter, or more likely be a #3 or 4. That's a reasonable assumption. Given that, what's more valuable, a # 3 or 4 starter (which Joba will likely be), or a shut down set up man? Steve, are you an idiot? You are right… what team doesn’t need a #1. However, you are talking about a guy who has started what, 1 game over AA? You don’t know what he is… he could flame out as a starter, or more likely be a #3 or 4. That’s a reasonable assumption. Given that, what’s more valuable, a # 3 or 4 starter (which Joba will likely be), or a shut down set up man?

]]> By: Realist http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51760 Realist Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:11:59 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51760 To setup or not to setup............that is the question! Aaaarghhh! I can't see how he could setup in the first half and have the stamina needed to start in the second half? It is backwards logic but sometimes it works? How many days til pitchers and catchers?????? To setup or not to setup…………that is the question!

Aaaarghhh! I can’t see how he could setup in the first half and have the stamina needed to start in the second half? It is backwards logic but sometimes it works?

How many days til pitchers and catchers??????

]]> By: pete http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51750 pete Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:55:56 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/11/expect-joba-to-start-in-the-bullpen-2117/#comment-51750 I think the key here is to remember how bad torre was at handling the bullpen. Maybe for the innings limit it would be better to start joba in the pen, but it's important to remember that while there may not be another joba or mo on the roster in terms of bullpen dominance, there are about 15 guys between the ML and AAA rosters who can do a good job in the bullpen with regular use. The reason they all seemed to have ERAs around infiniti is because torre had them all pitching on some strange lunar cycle that saw maybe one or two appearances in a row and then a couple of weeks off. If Girardi is smart, our bullpen could be excellent even without joba, and the rotation with joba could be dominant. Because of the surplus of bullpen arms, he could limit joba to 80 pitches per start, barring a no-hitter or something like that, and could even limit hughes and mussina to 90 or 95. By the end of the year, if Girardi is smart and patient, we will have a dominant bullpen of Mo being set up by Sanchez, Ramirez, Melancon, and Wordekemper. I think the key here is to remember how bad torre was at handling the bullpen. Maybe for the innings limit it would be better to start joba in the pen, but it’s important to remember that while there may not be another joba or mo on the roster in terms of bullpen dominance, there are about 15 guys between the ML and AAA rosters who can do a good job in the bullpen with regular use. The reason they all seemed to have ERAs around infiniti is because torre had them all pitching on some strange lunar cycle that saw maybe one or two appearances in a row and then a couple of weeks off. If Girardi is smart, our bullpen could be excellent even without joba, and the rotation with joba could be dominant. Because of the surplus of bullpen arms, he could limit joba to 80 pitches per start, barring a no-hitter or something like that, and could even limit hughes and mussina to 90 or 95. By the end of the year, if Girardi is smart and patient, we will have a dominant bullpen of Mo being set up by Sanchez, Ramirez, Melancon, and Wordekemper.

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