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	<title>Comments on: Who keeps used syringes around for eight years anyway?</title>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/who-keeps-used-syringes-around-for-eight-years-anyway-2102/#comment-51376</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TomG, this &quot;culture of abuse&quot; you mention is promulgated by the very denizens of many of the blogs and message boards that are discussing this issue of steroids in baseball. 

It amazes me how many people are shrugging the issue off, saying &quot;Congress has more important things to do&quot; (like they can&#039;t do more than one thing at a time?), or &quot;I&#039;m bored with this, I want my baseball&quot;, or &quot;why do they keep picking on Clemens/the Yankees?&quot;, or &quot;he-said, he-said&quot; (the issue is between Clemens and MLB/George Mitchell, not Clemens and McNamee -- but Hardin/Clemens have chosen to go after the minnow, not the shark -- but they don&#039;t have any compunction, apparently, about getting cozy with the whale (Congress) like some kind of Jonah.  No minnow would dare do that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TomG, this &#8220;culture of abuse&#8221; you mention is promulgated by the very denizens of many of the blogs and message boards that are discussing this issue of steroids in baseball. </p>
<p>It amazes me how many people are shrugging the issue off, saying &#8220;Congress has more important things to do&#8221; (like they can&#8217;t do more than one thing at a time?), or &#8220;I&#8217;m bored with this, I want my baseball&#8221;, or &#8220;why do they keep picking on Clemens/the Yankees?&#8221;, or &#8220;he-said, he-said&#8221; (the issue is between Clemens and MLB/George Mitchell, not Clemens and McNamee &#8212; but Hardin/Clemens have chosen to go after the minnow, not the shark &#8212; but they don&#8217;t have any compunction, apparently, about getting cozy with the whale (Congress) like some kind of Jonah.  No minnow would dare do that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/who-keeps-used-syringes-around-for-eight-years-anyway-2102/#comment-51375</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your question posed in the blog title for this topic -- &quot;Who keeps used syringes around for eight years anyway?&quot; -- I&#039;d say right offhand it&#039;d be someone who has followed some of the big lies Clemens has told his entire career, and who became increasingly wary about whether or not he&#039;d be the fall guy if Clemens decided to tell another big lie about the illegal activities BOTH OF THEM were participating in between 1998 and some yet-to-be-determined date in the new millennium (I don&#039;t think those activities stopped in 2001, the most recent date in the Mitchell Report).

Clemens lied about the blister (86 WS(, about leaving Boston (1995, house for sale), about pitching for a winner (to the NYY, 1996), about where &quot;home&quot; was (1996, not in Toronto), about what constitutes &quot;competitive&quot; (1998 demand to be traded), about illegal handshake clause in his contract (to MLB, 1998), about the bat shard (2000), about &quot;self defense&quot; in Bayou Mama&#039;s (arrest in 2001), about retiring (2003, 2007), about the HOF (2008 press conference).  

I wouldn&#039;t trust Clemens to tell the truth about anything, and I couldn&#039;t blame McNamee for eventually getting the same idea about Clemens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your question posed in the blog title for this topic &#8212; &#8220;Who keeps used syringes around for eight years anyway?&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;d say right offhand it&#8217;d be someone who has followed some of the big lies Clemens has told his entire career, and who became increasingly wary about whether or not he&#8217;d be the fall guy if Clemens decided to tell another big lie about the illegal activities BOTH OF THEM were participating in between 1998 and some yet-to-be-determined date in the new millennium (I don&#8217;t think those activities stopped in 2001, the most recent date in the Mitchell Report).</p>
<p>Clemens lied about the blister (86 WS(, about leaving Boston (1995, house for sale), about pitching for a winner (to the NYY, 1996), about where &#8220;home&#8221; was (1996, not in Toronto), about what constitutes &#8220;competitive&#8221; (1998 demand to be traded), about illegal handshake clause in his contract (to MLB, 1998), about the bat shard (2000), about &#8220;self defense&#8221; in Bayou Mama&#8217;s (arrest in 2001), about retiring (2003, 2007), about the HOF (2008 press conference).  </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t trust Clemens to tell the truth about anything, and I couldn&#8217;t blame McNamee for eventually getting the same idea about Clemens.</p>
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		<title>By: LiveFromNewYork</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/who-keeps-used-syringes-around-for-eight-years-anyway-2102/#comment-51053</link>
		<dc:creator>LiveFromNewYork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminals never think they&#039;re going to get caught.  Monica kept the dress because she was in love.  I don&#039;t think that McSnakee was in love.

I doubt he kept anything and if he did he certainly didn&#039;t do it to turn state&#039;s evidence.  The guy is a psycho.

I had my doubts about Clemens but then, in August no one thought McCain could be the Republican nominee.  

I have to think McNamee&#039;s got nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminals never think they&#8217;re going to get caught.  Monica kept the dress because she was in love.  I don&#8217;t think that McSnakee was in love.</p>
<p>I doubt he kept anything and if he did he certainly didn&#8217;t do it to turn state&#8217;s evidence.  The guy is a psycho.</p>
<p>I had my doubts about Clemens but then, in August no one thought McCain could be the Republican nominee.  </p>
<p>I have to think McNamee&#8217;s got nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Mcnamee learn anything from Monica&#039;s sperm stained , non dry cleaned dress.......she supposedly wore while performing oral sex on Bill Clinton???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Seems like he was either trying to protect himself later down the road or use it as &quot;blackmail&quot;??? Not sure which one but definately could care less....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Mcnamee learn anything from Monica&#8217;s sperm stained , non dry cleaned dress&#8230;&#8230;.she supposedly wore while performing oral sex on Bill Clinton???</p>
<p>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?</p>
<p>Seems like he was either trying to protect himself later down the road or use it as &#8220;blackmail&#8221;??? Not sure which one but definately could care less&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has syringes from Pettitte as well.

Crazy like a fox.

An ex cop knows what can happen, he knew the type of people he was dealing with (defimation lawsuit), and that he would be the patsy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has syringes from Pettitte as well.</p>
<p>Crazy like a fox.</p>
<p>An ex cop knows what can happen, he knew the type of people he was dealing with (defimation lawsuit), and that he would be the patsy.</p>
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		<title>By: TomG</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/who-keeps-used-syringes-around-for-eight-years-anyway-2102/#comment-50955</link>
		<dc:creator>TomG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the only place I go to for this type of story; you guys keep it short, state the facts in a non-sensational way and provide logical analysis. Keep up the good work.

In my opinion, a justice system that needs to make an example out of high profile individuals as a deterrent is not a very effective justice system. If our society decides steroids are illegal, there should have been ongoing, behind the scenes investigations of steroid users and dealers for the past twenty years; that’s the burden a society takes on when it outlaws something. For law enforcement to sit back and watch steroids become this ubiquitous, and then to only go after the big fish is bullshit. Martha Stewart, Marion Jones and Clemens are just the highest profile representatives of a culture of abuse; they’re not particularly outrageous examples of the abuse. This doesn’t seem very just to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the only place I go to for this type of story; you guys keep it short, state the facts in a non-sensational way and provide logical analysis. Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>In my opinion, a justice system that needs to make an example out of high profile individuals as a deterrent is not a very effective justice system. If our society decides steroids are illegal, there should have been ongoing, behind the scenes investigations of steroid users and dealers for the past twenty years; that’s the burden a society takes on when it outlaws something. For law enforcement to sit back and watch steroids become this ubiquitous, and then to only go after the big fish is bullshit. Martha Stewart, Marion Jones and Clemens are just the highest profile representatives of a culture of abuse; they’re not particularly outrageous examples of the abuse. This doesn’t seem very just to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick-YF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick-YF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bo, you&#039;re completely right. But the problem with this &quot;revelation&quot; is that it damages Roger in the court of public opinion most likely. I don&#039;t think there is going to be anything conclusively decided legally. Roger is trying to clear his name among the public. Is that fair? Well, no, if he&#039;s indeed innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bo, you&#8217;re completely right. But the problem with this &#8220;revelation&#8221; is that it damages Roger in the court of public opinion most likely. I don&#8217;t think there is going to be anything conclusively decided legally. Roger is trying to clear his name among the public. Is that fair? Well, no, if he&#8217;s indeed innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Goat</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/02/who-keeps-used-syringes-around-for-eight-years-anyway-2102/#comment-50933</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the motivation be in this case? Lets take it from McNamee...

1. He threw his old buddy under the bus by telling Mitchell about the injections. Yet withholds that he has syringes and gauze and vials. Same with the federal investigators. Clemens is already thrown under the bus, why not flatten the tires?
2. Shortly after testifying about Clemens, he calls up Clemens and borrows the fishing equipment. Why? Doesn&#039;t it strike you as a bit funny that after ruining Clemens reputation, which McNamee very well knew he did, and he knew, as we did, that Mitchell was going to name names, that McNamee would decide to go fishing and need Clemens&#039; gear to do so?
3. If he did in fact hold on to these items for so long, what possible reasons would he have for doing so? Future paydays? I just don&#039;t see him thinking he was going to get caught. I see this as a means of blackmail, regardless of Clemens being guilty or not. All he would need to do is tell Clemens (if he is innocent) that he mixed steroids in, so Clemens could either pay up or he was releasing this stuff.

I rely on trying to put myself into a framework of what the people involved would do. When I run through it, I keep coming up far short when dealing with McNamee. 

Clemens on the other hand only needed to &quot;come clean&quot; if he did inject these drugs. Had he done as Pettitte did, admitted to use, was sorry, it would have been a hit on his reputation, but not a massive one. He could have mitigated the issue and it wouldn&#039;t have had as big a backlash as he is getting now. All he needed to do was look at Bonds and all his woes to know if he was going to try and BS, it could come back and bite him in a large way. Instead he brings forth a law suit, has made multiple public statements, had given sworn testimony to congress, continues to meet with members of Congress.

If Clemens did do the drugs, then he is out of his mind. Insane. I&#039;m sorry but he doesn&#039;t appear that way to me.

If Clemens is innocent of these charges, he certainly seems to be acting in accord with what I would think an innocent man would do. Working as hard as possible to clear his name. He has stuck his neck out from just taking a hit on his rep, to facing jail time. 

Meanwhile, McNamee was facing jail time. Mitchell&#039;s report sited the LA newspaper report linking Clemens in the Grimsley affidavit. We now know that Clemens was not named in it, but at the time of Mitchell&#039;s investigation we did not. Mitchell could have asked specifically about Clemens because of this. Weighing going to jail or giving up the names of people asked for by Mitchell... what would a character like McNamee do.

I&#039;m sorry but my BS meter is moving heavily against McNamee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would the motivation be in this case? Lets take it from McNamee&#8230;</p>
<p>1. He threw his old buddy under the bus by telling Mitchell about the injections. Yet withholds that he has syringes and gauze and vials. Same with the federal investigators. Clemens is already thrown under the bus, why not flatten the tires?<br />
2. Shortly after testifying about Clemens, he calls up Clemens and borrows the fishing equipment. Why? Doesn&#8217;t it strike you as a bit funny that after ruining Clemens reputation, which McNamee very well knew he did, and he knew, as we did, that Mitchell was going to name names, that McNamee would decide to go fishing and need Clemens&#8217; gear to do so?<br />
3. If he did in fact hold on to these items for so long, what possible reasons would he have for doing so? Future paydays? I just don&#8217;t see him thinking he was going to get caught. I see this as a means of blackmail, regardless of Clemens being guilty or not. All he would need to do is tell Clemens (if he is innocent) that he mixed steroids in, so Clemens could either pay up or he was releasing this stuff.</p>
<p>I rely on trying to put myself into a framework of what the people involved would do. When I run through it, I keep coming up far short when dealing with McNamee. </p>
<p>Clemens on the other hand only needed to &#8220;come clean&#8221; if he did inject these drugs. Had he done as Pettitte did, admitted to use, was sorry, it would have been a hit on his reputation, but not a massive one. He could have mitigated the issue and it wouldn&#8217;t have had as big a backlash as he is getting now. All he needed to do was look at Bonds and all his woes to know if he was going to try and BS, it could come back and bite him in a large way. Instead he brings forth a law suit, has made multiple public statements, had given sworn testimony to congress, continues to meet with members of Congress.</p>
<p>If Clemens did do the drugs, then he is out of his mind. Insane. I&#8217;m sorry but he doesn&#8217;t appear that way to me.</p>
<p>If Clemens is innocent of these charges, he certainly seems to be acting in accord with what I would think an innocent man would do. Working as hard as possible to clear his name. He has stuck his neck out from just taking a hit on his rep, to facing jail time. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, McNamee was facing jail time. Mitchell&#8217;s report sited the LA newspaper report linking Clemens in the Grimsley affidavit. We now know that Clemens was not named in it, but at the time of Mitchell&#8217;s investigation we did not. Mitchell could have asked specifically about Clemens because of this. Weighing going to jail or giving up the names of people asked for by Mitchell&#8230; what would a character like McNamee do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but my BS meter is moving heavily against McNamee.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To play lawyer here.  You can&#039;t take something like this from 8 yrs ago and prove someone was a user with.  There is no chain of evidence here.  It&#039;s ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To play lawyer here.  You can&#8217;t take something like this from 8 yrs ago and prove someone was a user with.  There is no chain of evidence here.  It&#8217;s ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont buy this at all.  No one keeps used syringes.  Especially not a personal trainer.  And no one buying steroids is thinking about get out of jail free cards.

They dont prosecute users.  They prosecute suppliers and dealers.  Just because he has a syringe of another user doesnt mean anything.  The cops and DA&#039;s would laugh him out of the room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont buy this at all.  No one keeps used syringes.  Especially not a personal trainer.  And no one buying steroids is thinking about get out of jail free cards.</p>
<p>They dont prosecute users.  They prosecute suppliers and dealers.  Just because he has a syringe of another user doesnt mean anything.  The cops and DA&#8217;s would laugh him out of the room.</p>
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