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	<title>Comments on: Bad Shelley</title>
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		<title>By: The Fightin&#8217; Devil Rays! &#124; umpbump.com</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57519</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fightin&#8217; Devil Rays! &#124; umpbump.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the fight by attempting to cleat 2B Aknori Iwamura in the crotch, it seems like pretty much all the Yankees blogs agree that Duncan was out of order. (If you&#8217;ve read one that defends him, post the link [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the fight by attempting to cleat 2B Aknori Iwamura in the crotch, it seems like pretty much all the Yankees blogs agree that Duncan was out of order. (If you&#8217;ve read one that defends him, post the link [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curramba</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57514</link>
		<dc:creator>Curramba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think drilling Longoria with a 95 mph fastball would have been a better way to give notice that the Yankees are taking care of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think drilling Longoria with a 95 mph fastball would have been a better way to give notice that the Yankees are taking care of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Geno</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57510</link>
		<dc:creator>Geno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have preferred Ohlendorf drilling someone in the back with a 95 mph fastball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have preferred Ohlendorf drilling someone in the back with a 95 mph fastball.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainCargo</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57507</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptainCargo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've watched the film just like everyone else. The picture showing him looking like he going to spike the giys spike is not actually correct.

Look at the guy's knee. Thats where the guy got spiked. The picture everyone is showing as after the fact. The foot is just hanging there in midair. The guy never got spiked in the nads.

That being said I didn't like the slide anyways. But the Dray never got spiked in the balls. Thats just so much BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve watched the film just like everyone else. The picture showing him looking like he going to spike the giys spike is not actually correct.</p>
<p>Look at the guy&#8217;s knee. Thats where the guy got spiked. The picture everyone is showing as after the fact. The foot is just hanging there in midair. The guy never got spiked in the nads.</p>
<p>That being said I didn&#8217;t like the slide anyways. But the Dray never got spiked in the balls. Thats just so much BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimaggio5</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57501</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimaggio5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brawl? Hockey players must be laughing their a**es off today. Now hockey players, they brawel. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brawl? Hockey players must be laughing their a**es off today. Now hockey players, they brawel. <img src='http://riveraveblues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Curramba</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57497</link>
		<dc:creator>Curramba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that was a dirty play.  You want to take the guy out fine slide through the bag and take him out but don't bring the spikes up that high.   I would have understood if he had spiked him in the shin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that was a dirty play.  You want to take the guy out fine slide through the bag and take him out but don&#8217;t bring the spikes up that high.   I would have understood if he had spiked him in the shin.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis G.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57475</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'M showing poor judgement? who are you to decide what's right and wrong? obviously there were members of the Yanks that felt Johnson was in the wrong. do they all have 'poor judgement' too? how does it feel to be self-righteous?

according to Shelley, he was trying to knock the ball loose, and there's NOTHING illegal about that. iirc, he did it a time or two last year and was never ejected. bc of the umps sensitivity today, he was tossed. 

Mike Lowell put an elbow into Cano's face last year, but that was 'good hardball', and no one started a fight over it.

btw, you conveniently failed to address my other points while harping on the last one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;M showing poor judgement? who are you to decide what&#8217;s right and wrong? obviously there were members of the Yanks that felt Johnson was in the wrong. do they all have &#8216;poor judgement&#8217; too? how does it feel to be self-righteous?</p>
<p>according to Shelley, he was trying to knock the ball loose, and there&#8217;s NOTHING illegal about that. iirc, he did it a time or two last year and was never ejected. bc of the umps sensitivity today, he was tossed. </p>
<p>Mike Lowell put an elbow into Cano&#8217;s face last year, but that was &#8216;good hardball&#8217;, and no one started a fight over it.</p>
<p>btw, you conveniently failed to address my other points while harping on the last one.</p>
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		<title>By: The Good Doctor</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57468</link>
		<dc:creator>The Good Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C'mon, the slide was borderline dirty at most. I wholeheartedly disagree that he'd have been tossed in any other game. The umps were sensitive to it because of the words between the two clubs. And btw, the play at home was just fine. We can't complain that our guy got hurt when he's blocking the plate. It's a fair argument for the Rays to suggest that had their guy slid into home plate he too could have been injured. Hey, that's baseball and I'm a little surprised at Girardi -- unless he had ulterior motives.

But if anyone was dirty, if anyone should should be fined and/or suspended, it's Gomes. Holy Hannah, that blindsided tackle was the cheapest shot I've seen in baseball in a very long time.

But seriously, is Gomes that much of a wimp or is Shelley that strong? Because even with a full head of steam running in from right field and hitting him blind sided, Gomes barely moved Duncan!! Nonetheless, Gomes should be fined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, the slide was borderline dirty at most. I wholeheartedly disagree that he&#8217;d have been tossed in any other game. The umps were sensitive to it because of the words between the two clubs. And btw, the play at home was just fine. We can&#8217;t complain that our guy got hurt when he&#8217;s blocking the plate. It&#8217;s a fair argument for the Rays to suggest that had their guy slid into home plate he too could have been injured. Hey, that&#8217;s baseball and I&#8217;m a little surprised at Girardi &#8212; unless he had ulterior motives.</p>
<p>But if anyone was dirty, if anyone should should be fined and/or suspended, it&#8217;s Gomes. Holy Hannah, that blindsided tackle was the cheapest shot I&#8217;ve seen in baseball in a very long time.</p>
<p>But seriously, is Gomes that much of a wimp or is Shelley that strong? Because even with a full head of steam running in from right field and hitting him blind sided, Gomes barely moved Duncan!! Nonetheless, Gomes should be fined.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal Paradise</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57465</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal Paradise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Spikes up' is an illegal attempt to injure another player. A hard charge against the catcher during spring training may be an 'unspoken rule' of things not to do, but it's certainly legal in the sport.

If a boxer breaks his opponent's nose, makes him require sutures, bursts capillaries in half his face and gives him a concussion, we can hardly compare that to a badminton player who slaps an opponent across the face. We can say, "The boxer was excessive!" yet he was doing his job. We cannot justify the badminton player's act by saying, "The other person wasn't hurt!" or saying, "The boxer who was hurt was his brother, and the opponent was the other boxer's brother!" and expect that to make it okay because the injury was more slight.

What Duncan did was foul and against the rules. Bottom line.

I don't think that what happened to Cervelli was in the best of taste, but &lt;i&gt;it wasn't illegal&lt;/i&gt;. Too much? Probably. Illegal? Certainly not. You shouldn't try to equivocate the two. It shows poor judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Spikes up&#8217; is an illegal attempt to injure another player. A hard charge against the catcher during spring training may be an &#8216;unspoken rule&#8217; of things not to do, but it&#8217;s certainly legal in the sport.</p>
<p>If a boxer breaks his opponent&#8217;s nose, makes him require sutures, bursts capillaries in half his face and gives him a concussion, we can hardly compare that to a badminton player who slaps an opponent across the face. We can say, &#8220;The boxer was excessive!&#8221; yet he was doing his job. We cannot justify the badminton player&#8217;s act by saying, &#8220;The other person wasn&#8217;t hurt!&#8221; or saying, &#8220;The boxer who was hurt was his brother, and the opponent was the other boxer&#8217;s brother!&#8221; and expect that to make it okay because the injury was more slight.</p>
<p>What Duncan did was foul and against the rules. Bottom line.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that what happened to Cervelli was in the best of taste, but <i>it wasn&#8217;t illegal</i>. Too much? Probably. Illegal? Certainly not. You shouldn&#8217;t try to equivocate the two. It shows poor judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: bostonsucks@life</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/12/bad-shelley-2313/#comment-57464</link>
		<dc:creator>bostonsucks@life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people keep saying brawl ? There was no punches thrown and it was a 1/2 assed attempt by Gomes to do anything.I guess it just looks bad cause there was 140 players on the field. The whole issue is assanine. It just looked like a horrible slide on Shelly's part, albeit the spikes came up it just looked like a bad slide. Can we all just let this go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people keep saying brawl ? There was no punches thrown and it was a 1/2 assed attempt by Gomes to do anything.I guess it just looks bad cause there was 140 players on the field. The whole issue is assanine. It just looked like a horrible slide on Shelly&#8217;s part, albeit the spikes came up it just looked like a bad slide. Can we all just let this go.</p>
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