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		<title>By: steve (different one)</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/25/a-rod-and-the-money-game-2393/#comment-59867</link>
		<dc:creator>steve (different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uhh, the original post, written by one of the authors of this site, was critical of A-Rod.

all we ask is that you back your statements with facts:

saying this:

&lt;i&gt;" A believe Arod even said after he re-signed that not to many teams came calling."&lt;/i&gt;

ain't cutting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uhh, the original post, written by one of the authors of this site, was critical of A-Rod.</p>
<p>all we ask is that you back your statements with facts:</p>
<p>saying this:</p>
<p><i>&#8221; A believe Arod even said after he re-signed that not to many teams came calling.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>ain&#8217;t cutting it.</p>
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		<title>By: ADave</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/25/a-rod-and-the-money-game-2393/#comment-59859</link>
		<dc:creator>ADave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, we must remember that baseball is a business.  They don't care about winning as much as we do.  We don't have a financial incentive in this team doing well.  We just want to see them win because we bleed navy blue.

Considering the time value of money, A-Rod's contract will seem like a steal in the year 2018.  He'll be making $28M, which at that time, will seem like a bargain compared to what some other players might be getting.  $28M now is going to be able to buy a lot more than it is in the new year 2018 (consider gas, housing and consumer goods costs and how quickly they are rising).

A-Rod has a direct correlation to the YES ratings.  That makes them $$$.  They are opening a new stadium.  That makes them $$$.  They are working on taking over Japan and China.  That makes them $$$.  A-Rod is related to all of these things.

That said, A-Rod needs to stop talking about his past and start talking about the future.  No one cares about him thinking about the Mets, or opting out during Game 4 of the World Series, or how he wants to be the highest paid player in baseball.  Just play the game as hard as you can, show the fans that you are human, and bring home a championship.

LET'S GO YANKS!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, we must remember that baseball is a business.  They don&#8217;t care about winning as much as we do.  We don&#8217;t have a financial incentive in this team doing well.  We just want to see them win because we bleed navy blue.</p>
<p>Considering the time value of money, A-Rod&#8217;s contract will seem like a steal in the year 2018.  He&#8217;ll be making $28M, which at that time, will seem like a bargain compared to what some other players might be getting.  $28M now is going to be able to buy a lot more than it is in the new year 2018 (consider gas, housing and consumer goods costs and how quickly they are rising).</p>
<p>A-Rod has a direct correlation to the YES ratings.  That makes them $$$.  They are opening a new stadium.  That makes them $$$.  They are working on taking over Japan and China.  That makes them $$$.  A-Rod is related to all of these things.</p>
<p>That said, A-Rod needs to stop talking about his past and start talking about the future.  No one cares about him thinking about the Mets, or opting out during Game 4 of the World Series, or how he wants to be the highest paid player in baseball.  Just play the game as hard as you can, show the fans that you are human, and bring home a championship.</p>
<p>LET&#8217;S GO YANKS!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Curramba</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/25/a-rod-and-the-money-game-2393/#comment-59671</link>
		<dc:creator>Curramba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't want to hear ARod's same old song.  ARod just shut up and play.  Show NY that you really are worth $275 they're paying for you.  Time to come up big not only in season but also during the post season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t want to hear ARod&#8217;s same old song.  ARod just shut up and play.  Show NY that you really are worth $275 they&#8217;re paying for you.  Time to come up big not only in season but also during the post season.</p>
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		<title>By: pete c.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/25/a-rod-and-the-money-game-2393/#comment-59670</link>
		<dc:creator>pete c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He blamed Boros several times for what happened. Boros is his agent who presumedly does his bidding. That's why I said that. Igeuss this is another site where they stick pins in your likeness for daring to say mean things about arod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He blamed Boros several times for what happened. Boros is his agent who presumedly does his bidding. That&#8217;s why I said that. Igeuss this is another site where they stick pins in your likeness for daring to say mean things about arod.</p>
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		<title>By: steve (different one)</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/25/a-rod-and-the-money-game-2393/#comment-59666</link>
		<dc:creator>steve (different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at "fault" for what?  he's a Yankee for the rest of his career.

ultimately, what does it matter what methods he used to get the most money possible?  

he got a ton of money, good for him.  

it's not like he signed with the Angels and people here are still trying to defend him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at &#8220;fault&#8221; for what?  he&#8217;s a Yankee for the rest of his career.</p>
<p>ultimately, what does it matter what methods he used to get the most money possible?  </p>
<p>he got a ton of money, good for him.  </p>
<p>it&#8217;s not like he signed with the Angels and people here are still trying to defend him.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, honestly with ARod it's just come to a point where you just don't know anything because it's impossible to seperate spin from reality.  So I could completely be reading too much into this.  I'd also guess however that ARod has spoken to several high power PR and marketing people on how to handle this.

I also do think it's sort of amazing that ARod can say with the Mets situation "I went for the contarct.." and still get the reporter to conclude that it was Boras' fault.  That's amazing.

And yes it's definitely true that ARod signed that deal with Seattle against Boras' advice.  But nonetheless there a flip side to this that's well known in baseball.

The reason why you sign with Boras as your agent is because you want to maximize your earnings potential to the last cent.  You sign with him fully knowing (even if you're 18) what Boras is about - and that is getting the biggest contract possible.  That's basically the agreement when you sign on.

So of course Boras told him not to sign with Seattle to test the market/ arbitration..  That's  Boras's job.  That's why ARod (or Matt Holliday, or Texeira, etc.) signed with him in the first place.  The players know very explicitly up front what kind of advice Boras is going to give them - Boras is nothing if not consistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, honestly with ARod it&#8217;s just come to a point where you just don&#8217;t know anything because it&#8217;s impossible to seperate spin from reality.  So I could completely be reading too much into this.  I&#8217;d also guess however that ARod has spoken to several high power PR and marketing people on how to handle this.</p>
<p>I also do think it&#8217;s sort of amazing that ARod can say with the Mets situation &#8220;I went for the contarct..&#8221; and still get the reporter to conclude that it was Boras&#8217; fault.  That&#8217;s amazing.</p>
<p>And yes it&#8217;s definitely true that ARod signed that deal with Seattle against Boras&#8217; advice.  But nonetheless there a flip side to this that&#8217;s well known in baseball.</p>
<p>The reason why you sign with Boras as your agent is because you want to maximize your earnings potential to the last cent.  You sign with him fully knowing (even if you&#8217;re 18) what Boras is about - and that is getting the biggest contract possible.  That&#8217;s basically the agreement when you sign on.</p>
<p>So of course Boras told him not to sign with Seattle to test the market/ arbitration..  That&#8217;s  Boras&#8217;s job.  That&#8217;s why ARod (or Matt Holliday, or Texeira, etc.) signed with him in the first place.  The players know very explicitly up front what kind of advice Boras is going to give them - Boras is nothing if not consistent.</p>
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		<title>By: pete c.</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn't anyone notice that almost nothing is Arods fault. It's always someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t anyone notice that almost nothing is Arods fault. It&#8217;s always someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: steve (different one)</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/25/a-rod-and-the-money-game-2393/#comment-59663</link>
		<dc:creator>steve (different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you're a smart dude, CB.  probably smarter than Alex himself.   based on that, you may be reading more into his words than even he intended.

i can't disagree TOO much with what you are saying, i just think clumsy quotes aside, in the end he came back to the Yankees and made it happen.  that's all that matters.

one last thought:  wasn't there a story when he was in Seattle he signed his first deal multi-year deal with the Mariners against Boras' advice?   and even before that, didn't Boras want him to hold out for even more money when he was drafted?

i am not saying Alex was innocent in this whole saga, he wasn't. i am not too naive to believe that.  but isn't there also some evidence that Boras HAS consistently tried to steer him to the highest payday, sometimes against his wishes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re a smart dude, CB.  probably smarter than Alex himself.   based on that, you may be reading more into his words than even he intended.</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t disagree TOO much with what you are saying, i just think clumsy quotes aside, in the end he came back to the Yankees and made it happen.  that&#8217;s all that matters.</p>
<p>one last thought:  wasn&#8217;t there a story when he was in Seattle he signed his first deal multi-year deal with the Mariners against Boras&#8217; advice?   and even before that, didn&#8217;t Boras want him to hold out for even more money when he was drafted?</p>
<p>i am not saying Alex was innocent in this whole saga, he wasn&#8217;t. i am not too naive to believe that.  but isn&#8217;t there also some evidence that Boras HAS consistently tried to steer him to the highest payday, sometimes against his wishes?</p>
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		<title>By: pete c.</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think the time frame worked out where other teams had the oppotunity to speak with him and the newspapers I read said there was no real interest, for various reasons; to much money to many headaches associated with the drama of Arod. And no smart ass I didn't have Boras' cell phone number. A believe Arod even said after he re-signed that not to many teams came calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think the time frame worked out where other teams had the oppotunity to speak with him and the newspapers I read said there was no real interest, for various reasons; to much money to many headaches associated with the drama of Arod. And no smart ass I didn&#8217;t have Boras&#8217; cell phone number. A believe Arod even said after he re-signed that not to many teams came calling.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/25/a-rod-and-the-money-game-2393/#comment-59658</link>
		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know he said that bit about "I went for the contract..." but I think the implicit subtext is that it's always been boras's fault AND that the two situations were very similar.

The fact is the ARod's negotiations with the Mets DID NOT break down over money.  They never got to the money stage - ever.  They only spoke about very preliminary parameters.

That's because they stopped when Boras came up with those inane demands.  That gave the mets the excuse they needed to exit.  It wasn't ARod's choice to turn down an offer to the Mets.  The Mets chose to walk away from the table.  Do you remember how relieved Steve Phillips sounded when those negotiations crumbled?  They didn't want to ever pay him.

So why is ARod bringing this up now after all of those years?

I could be wrong on this, but that subtext is so strong, particularly in New York and the New York media (which beat the ARod - Mets thing to death) I think that's the implication.  ARod has been led astray for years.

And I think you see the reporter take the bait for that subtext and media narrative ARod is trying to create.  After ARod brings up the Mets what does the writer conclude:  

"he realized he could have been heading for a similar scenario, with Boras dictating his next destination"

Why does the reporter not bring up the fact that it was the Mets that walked away before making an offer?  Instead the reporter comes to the wrong conclusion that it was Alex's choice and Boras lead him astray.

The reporter concludes the two situations were the same - Boras dictating where Alex would go.  So despite the fact that ARod said "I went for the conract...." the subtext of ARod's statement's gets the reporter to conclude the exact opposite - it was Boras's fault with the Mets and in turn with the Yankees.

This way ARod gets to have it both ways.  By himself he "owns up" and "takes responsibility" but in fact creates a media narrative through the reporters conclusions that everything was primarily Boras's fault going back to the lost opportunity with the Mets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know he said that bit about &#8220;I went for the contract&#8230;&#8221; but I think the implicit subtext is that it&#8217;s always been boras&#8217;s fault AND that the two situations were very similar.</p>
<p>The fact is the ARod&#8217;s negotiations with the Mets DID NOT break down over money.  They never got to the money stage - ever.  They only spoke about very preliminary parameters.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because they stopped when Boras came up with those inane demands.  That gave the mets the excuse they needed to exit.  It wasn&#8217;t ARod&#8217;s choice to turn down an offer to the Mets.  The Mets chose to walk away from the table.  Do you remember how relieved Steve Phillips sounded when those negotiations crumbled?  They didn&#8217;t want to ever pay him.</p>
<p>So why is ARod bringing this up now after all of those years?</p>
<p>I could be wrong on this, but that subtext is so strong, particularly in New York and the New York media (which beat the ARod - Mets thing to death) I think that&#8217;s the implication.  ARod has been led astray for years.</p>
<p>And I think you see the reporter take the bait for that subtext and media narrative ARod is trying to create.  After ARod brings up the Mets what does the writer conclude:  </p>
<p>&#8220;he realized he could have been heading for a similar scenario, with Boras dictating his next destination&#8221;</p>
<p>Why does the reporter not bring up the fact that it was the Mets that walked away before making an offer?  Instead the reporter comes to the wrong conclusion that it was Alex&#8217;s choice and Boras lead him astray.</p>
<p>The reporter concludes the two situations were the same - Boras dictating where Alex would go.  So despite the fact that ARod said &#8220;I went for the conract&#8230;.&#8221; the subtext of ARod&#8217;s statement&#8217;s gets the reporter to conclude the exact opposite - it was Boras&#8217;s fault with the Mets and in turn with the Yankees.</p>
<p>This way ARod gets to have it both ways.  By himself he &#8220;owns up&#8221; and &#8220;takes responsibility&#8221; but in fact creates a media narrative through the reporters conclusions that everything was primarily Boras&#8217;s fault going back to the lost opportunity with the Mets.</p>
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