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		<title>By: LiveFromNewYork</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/04/07/on-phil-hughes-and-his-velocity-2504/#comment-63876</link>
		<dc:creator>LiveFromNewYork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He should still be at AA.   Just that one sentence makes the whole thing a toss.  My 4 year old nephew could write better tripe than this with a crayola and 4 newly painted walls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should still be at AA.   Just that one sentence makes the whole thing a toss.  My 4 year old nephew could write better tripe than this with a crayola and 4 newly painted walls.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanny</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/04/07/on-phil-hughes-and-his-velocity-2504/#comment-63810</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying Hughes should be at Double A right now is beyond ridiculous.  I guess they didnt watch games or check the stats from two years ago when Hughes completely dominated that level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying Hughes should be at Double A right now is beyond ridiculous.  I guess they didnt watch games or check the stats from two years ago when Hughes completely dominated that level.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanny</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/04/07/on-phil-hughes-and-his-velocity-2504/#comment-63808</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there are two people who have a stake in watching the Yanks not make the playoffs and Cashmans moves not workout its Steve Lombardi and Pags</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there are two people who have a stake in watching the Yanks not make the playoffs and Cashmans moves not workout its Steve Lombardi and Pags</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/04/07/on-phil-hughes-and-his-velocity-2504/#comment-63730</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did NoMaas get pulled in with Lombardi and WasWatching?  The quote from their front page was this:

"The only aspect of Hughes' start which we didn't like was his velocity.  Assuming the YES guns are accurate, his fastball sat at a less-than-impressive 89-91 all night (he did command it well though).  However, it was cold and it was his first start of the year.  Don't sound any alarms yet, but keep a watchful eye."

That's "trying to get people riled up?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did NoMaas get pulled in with Lombardi and WasWatching?  The quote from their front page was this:</p>
<p>&#8220;The only aspect of Hughes&#8217; start which we didn&#8217;t like was his velocity.  Assuming the YES guns are accurate, his fastball sat at a less-than-impressive 89-91 all night (he did command it well though).  However, it was cold and it was his first start of the year.  Don&#8217;t sound any alarms yet, but keep a watchful eye.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s &#8220;trying to get people riled up?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Samples</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/04/07/on-phil-hughes-and-his-velocity-2504/#comment-63689</link>
		<dc:creator>Samples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When quoting velocity, what does everyone consider the best source?  There is way too much inconsistency amongst posters numbers.  I don't remember Hughes hitting 95 or anything close in his first start, at least on the YES gun.  Was the stadium gun faster?  What about Gameday?  Which system is the best technology and should be considered the 'default' speed for discussion purposes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When quoting velocity, what does everyone consider the best source?  There is way too much inconsistency amongst posters numbers.  I don&#8217;t remember Hughes hitting 95 or anything close in his first start, at least on the YES gun.  Was the stadium gun faster?  What about Gameday?  Which system is the best technology and should be considered the &#8216;default&#8217; speed for discussion purposes?</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that's the negative part of this whole situation.  Pags wrote that Hughes article today just because he knew it would drive yankee fans crazy.

He clearly has an ax to grind and is bitter Cashman let his firm go.

But Pags main goal with an article like the one on Hughes is for high volume sites like RAB to write a reaction to the article and to link to it.

Phil Hughes should be in AA?  The only point of that kind of nonsense is to drive traffic to his site and to get people talking about Mike Pags who no one in baseball would otherwise care about.

And unfortunately these tactics work -  here we are talking about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s the negative part of this whole situation.  Pags wrote that Hughes article today just because he knew it would drive yankee fans crazy.</p>
<p>He clearly has an ax to grind and is bitter Cashman let his firm go.</p>
<p>But Pags main goal with an article like the one on Hughes is for high volume sites like RAB to write a reaction to the article and to link to it.</p>
<p>Phil Hughes should be in AA?  The only point of that kind of nonsense is to drive traffic to his site and to get people talking about Mike Pags who no one in baseball would otherwise care about.</p>
<p>And unfortunately these tactics work -  here we are talking about him.</p>
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		<title>By: steve (different one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve (different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is why Pags has no credibility:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/07/29/2007-07-29_halls_vet_committee_votes_for_changes.html

&lt;i&gt;Amid all the "Who was the scout who recommended Igawa?" outrage being directed at Cashman, Pagliarulo, who heads up the international scouting service Turf Dirt, has been at the forefront. A recent blog on Pagliarulo's Web site contained this scathing indictment of Cashman's job performance: "Igawa could potentially be one of the worst free-agent signings ever - in Mike Hampton territory. Dare we say another Pavano? At least Hampton did have stretches of decent production after he left Colorado. Igawa, on the other hand, might never be better than what he is now - a Triple-A pitcher with an attitude who is at best a back-end starter on a second division team. The Yankees chose not to use (Cashman's) Japan consultants, who told him to walk away from Igawa. The consultants knew about the Igawa holdout in spring training 2005 in Japan and how Igawa then laid down that year and wasn't productive at all. Important information that is interpreted through consulting and difficult to put in scouting reports." 

In other words, Cashman, in signing Igawa (who was sent to the minors on Friday), ignored the advice of Pagliarulo's company, whose services the Yankees have employed the last couple of years. The only problem is, Cashman didn't ignore Pagliarulo's report. Here's what it really said: "(Igawa) is considered one of the best starters in Japan and is having a good season. He is doing a good job of moving the ball around the zone and seems to be conserving himself throughout the game ... He showed a good split and was adding on to his fastball in tough situations. He has enough to be a fourth or fifth starter in the U.S." 

The report goes on to list Igawa as one of the top 10 pitchers in Japan. Nothing about any holdout or attitude problems. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is why Pags has no credibility:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/07/29/2007-07-29_halls_vet_committee_votes_for_changes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....anges.html</a></p>
<p><i>Amid all the &#8220;Who was the scout who recommended Igawa?&#8221; outrage being directed at Cashman, Pagliarulo, who heads up the international scouting service Turf Dirt, has been at the forefront. A recent blog on Pagliarulo&#8217;s Web site contained this scathing indictment of Cashman&#8217;s job performance: &#8220;Igawa could potentially be one of the worst free-agent signings ever - in Mike Hampton territory. Dare we say another Pavano? At least Hampton did have stretches of decent production after he left Colorado. Igawa, on the other hand, might never be better than what he is now - a Triple-A pitcher with an attitude who is at best a back-end starter on a second division team. The Yankees chose not to use (Cashman&#8217;s) Japan consultants, who told him to walk away from Igawa. The consultants knew about the Igawa holdout in spring training 2005 in Japan and how Igawa then laid down that year and wasn&#8217;t productive at all. Important information that is interpreted through consulting and difficult to put in scouting reports.&#8221; </p>
<p>In other words, Cashman, in signing Igawa (who was sent to the minors on Friday), ignored the advice of Pagliarulo&#8217;s company, whose services the Yankees have employed the last couple of years. The only problem is, Cashman didn&#8217;t ignore Pagliarulo&#8217;s report. Here&#8217;s what it really said: &#8220;(Igawa) is considered one of the best starters in Japan and is having a good season. He is doing a good job of moving the ball around the zone and seems to be conserving himself throughout the game &#8230; He showed a good split and was adding on to his fastball in tough situations. He has enough to be a fourth or fifth starter in the U.S.&#8221; </p>
<p>The report goes on to list Igawa as one of the top 10 pitchers in Japan. Nothing about any holdout or attitude problems. </i></p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He honestly has nothing behind any of his claims. Every single one of them can be refuted, or proven to just be flat out wrong. Why the Yankees ever employed this man I have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He honestly has nothing behind any of his claims. Every single one of them can be refuted, or proven to just be flat out wrong. Why the Yankees ever employed this man I have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: emcee</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/04/07/on-phil-hughes-and-his-velocity-2504/#comment-63594</link>
		<dc:creator>emcee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clemens maybe tried some additional tactics to improve his velocity between Boston and Toronto, Pags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clemens maybe tried some additional tactics to improve his velocity between Boston and Toronto, Pags.</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all comes back to those who worship the FB, and therefore think Josh "IPTGTRW" Beckett is a God (lot of good that 96-98 MPH FB did for him yesterday) and those like him (hey, Farnsworth throws hard too!) , and those that realize that velocity isn't everything. Johan Santana "sits" at 93, often lower than that, and hes the best pitcher in the game. For the umpteenth million time, its about the difference between pitches. 91, 93, 96, its all pretty damn fast, and when paired with a 70 mph curve and 82 mph change/slider, its damn effective...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all comes back to those who worship the FB, and therefore think Josh &#8220;IPTGTRW&#8221; Beckett is a God (lot of good that 96-98 MPH FB did for him yesterday) and those like him (hey, Farnsworth throws hard too!) , and those that realize that velocity isn&#8217;t everything. Johan Santana &#8220;sits&#8221; at 93, often lower than that, and hes the best pitcher in the game. For the umpteenth million time, its about the difference between pitches. 91, 93, 96, its all pretty damn fast, and when paired with a 70 mph curve and 82 mph change/slider, its damn effective&#8230;</p>
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