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		<title>By: RobertGKramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertGKramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else see the contrast between the Red Sox on Sunday night and the Yankees Monday night? Hate to praise the Sox, but the only word I can think of for their comeback attempt is ferocious.

We'll need some changes in July for a pennant run. I've gotta think we have some interesting trading pieces with good value at some other ML team. And we have or should have some interesting options on the farm! With the returning wounded I'm optimistic!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else see the contrast between the Red Sox on Sunday night and the Yankees Monday night? Hate to praise the Sox, but the only word I can think of for their comeback attempt is ferocious.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll need some changes in July for a pennant run. I&#8217;ve gotta think we have some interesting trading pieces with good value at some other ML team. And we have or should have some interesting options on the farm! With the returning wounded I&#8217;m optimistic!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would look to see what Damon could bring back in a trade.</description>
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		<title>By: Travis G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>losing the two best hitters (going by last year's stats) will hurt ANY team. it seems to be the case that this is a .500 team without those guys. 

and please stop with the cliches. of course the Yanks look 'old, tired from the long season and unenthusiastic' bc they're LOSING. and the drays look 'young and enthusiastic' bc they're WINNING. when the yanks are winning, they look 'experienced and enthusiastic'. then the drays are losing, they look 'too young, inexperienced and tired from the long season'. 

trust me, when the Yanks ARE winning, they'll be excited and enthusiastic. excitement and enthusiasm are NOT what's winning for tampa. it's their talented hitting and talented pitching. 

anyway, that offensive showing was pathetic. garza threw what seemed like 90% fastballs (we're talking fairly straight here, not Carmona/Wang type FBs, and not terribly fast (90-95, not Beckett at 95+), and the Yanks mustered 6 baserunners?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>losing the two best hitters (going by last year&#8217;s stats) will hurt ANY team. it seems to be the case that this is a .500 team without those guys. </p>
<p>and please stop with the cliches. of course the Yanks look &#8216;old, tired from the long season and unenthusiastic&#8217; bc they&#8217;re LOSING. and the drays look &#8216;young and enthusiastic&#8217; bc they&#8217;re WINNING. when the yanks are winning, they look &#8216;experienced and enthusiastic&#8217;. then the drays are losing, they look &#8216;too young, inexperienced and tired from the long season&#8217;. </p>
<p>trust me, when the Yanks ARE winning, they&#8217;ll be excited and enthusiastic. excitement and enthusiasm are NOT what&#8217;s winning for tampa. it&#8217;s their talented hitting and talented pitching. </p>
<p>anyway, that offensive showing was pathetic. garza threw what seemed like 90% fastballs (we&#8217;re talking fairly straight here, not Carmona/Wang type FBs, and not terribly fast (90-95, not Beckett at 95+), and the Yanks mustered 6 baserunners?!</p>
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		<title>By: Micky7 Old Ranger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micky7 Old Ranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we the only ones advocating the promotion of Brett or Justin? I fear not, a few have mentioned it, but only in passing. Both of those guys could help the team in many different ways; speed, defence, and the ability to get on base. Johnny is not going to keep hitting as he was(before last night). Bobby is a good hitter, but he gives up hits also. It ain't gonna happen folks. They will come up only if someone gets hurt. It sure would be nice to see some life out there, wouldn't it? 27/08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we the only ones advocating the promotion of Brett or Justin? I fear not, a few have mentioned it, but only in passing. Both of those guys could help the team in many different ways; speed, defence, and the ability to get on base. Johnny is not going to keep hitting as he was(before last night). Bobby is a good hitter, but he gives up hits also. It ain&#8217;t gonna happen folks. They will come up only if someone gets hurt. It sure would be nice to see some life out there, wouldn&#8217;t it? 27/08.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Count Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solid post IMO -- I agree with most of what you're saying. With A-Rod back in the lineup this might be an 87-90 win team -- without him, they look pretty much like their record - .500.

And just to be clear -- I'm all for staying the course. Keep developing people in the minors, don't panic and rush them up too early; stick with the plans for Hughes, IPK and Joba. Slow rehab and progression for Sanchez. Keep Tabata focused and adjusting. September callups will be very interesting.

The MiL system looks really good, and we are in a solid position to build another dynasty by using cash and trade chips to fill in the last couple of pieces -- &lt;b&gt;when the time is right&lt;/b&gt; in a year, or maybe even two. The price of that is we will likely be sitting at home in October this year. It's a price I'm willing to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solid post IMO &#8212; I agree with most of what you&#8217;re saying. With A-Rod back in the lineup this might be an 87-90 win team &#8212; without him, they look pretty much like their record - .500.</p>
<p>And just to be clear &#8212; I&#8217;m all for staying the course. Keep developing people in the minors, don&#8217;t panic and rush them up too early; stick with the plans for Hughes, IPK and Joba. Slow rehab and progression for Sanchez. Keep Tabata focused and adjusting. September callups will be very interesting.</p>
<p>The MiL system looks really good, and we are in a solid position to build another dynasty by using cash and trade chips to fill in the last couple of pieces &#8212; <b>when the time is right</b> in a year, or maybe even two. The price of that is we will likely be sitting at home in October this year. It&#8217;s a price I&#8217;m willing to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Count Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you back that up? I mean, Eiland wasn't telling anyone to be cutesy in SWB last year was he? Did he suddenly become the proponent of the "cutesy" philosophy when he got promoted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you back that up? I mean, Eiland wasn&#8217;t telling anyone to be cutesy in SWB last year was he? Did he suddenly become the proponent of the &#8220;cutesy&#8221; philosophy when he got promoted?</p>
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		<title>By: r.w.g.</title>
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		<dc:creator>r.w.g.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure calling up Gardner is the best idea.  If you look at his career numbers, he always has a struggling/adjustment period when he's moved up a level.  I'd be worried about people thinking he's going to be a spark-plugging savior and then kill the kid when he's hitting .250.  

I'm not really sure what the solution to make the team better is.  We made it by the skin of our teeth last year when Posada and Rodriguez had the best years of their careers and Phil and Kennedy pitched great for us in the last month or so.

Giambi has a lot of home runs but his average is getting so low at this point that it is detracting from his OBP ability.  His number of homers makes me want to give him some more time, but he's starting to really push it.

The Yankees have a strange team these days.  Matsui and Damon should both be DHing (though Johnny has good range in LF despite that arm) and for all we know right now, Jorge will need to be the DH going forward.  Shelley Duncan is a LF playing 1B sometimes, Jeter looks about the same defensively, and Robbie Cano might be this type of player (at least until he's a little bit older) -- drastic hot/cold stretches.

I dunno.. they kind of look like a .500 team.  There is some real talent, but they've got bats getting slow and some good pitchers who aren't quite there yet.  That being said, I'd let this thing go until the All-Star break.  This group of guys has rallied enough times in the last 2-3 seasons that they at least get a bigger window to get some momentum going.

If they are still looking cruddy and inconsistent, maybe you deal Johnny Damon, or cut Giambi or something.  Maybe trade Abreu if they don't want to resign him.  This might just be a okay team in a transition year.  I wouldn't blow the whole thing up, but I really wouldn't be too worried about dumping some guys.  You've got A-Rod, Posada, Jeter, and Mo together for at least 2 more seasons after this one (hopefully they do the SMART thing and just let Jeter walk if won't move off SS), and the kids are under control for what, 4-5 more years?

I agree with another posted who earlier suggested maybe looking at Ben Sheets in the offseason.  If we can get him on a contract like Mussina's extension (2 years, 22 million or so) might be worth it.  I'd be careful about Teixeira, 7 years didn't work with Giambi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure calling up Gardner is the best idea.  If you look at his career numbers, he always has a struggling/adjustment period when he&#8217;s moved up a level.  I&#8217;d be worried about people thinking he&#8217;s going to be a spark-plugging savior and then kill the kid when he&#8217;s hitting .250.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really sure what the solution to make the team better is.  We made it by the skin of our teeth last year when Posada and Rodriguez had the best years of their careers and Phil and Kennedy pitched great for us in the last month or so.</p>
<p>Giambi has a lot of home runs but his average is getting so low at this point that it is detracting from his OBP ability.  His number of homers makes me want to give him some more time, but he&#8217;s starting to really push it.</p>
<p>The Yankees have a strange team these days.  Matsui and Damon should both be DHing (though Johnny has good range in LF despite that arm) and for all we know right now, Jorge will need to be the DH going forward.  Shelley Duncan is a LF playing 1B sometimes, Jeter looks about the same defensively, and Robbie Cano might be this type of player (at least until he&#8217;s a little bit older) &#8212; drastic hot/cold stretches.</p>
<p>I dunno.. they kind of look like a .500 team.  There is some real talent, but they&#8217;ve got bats getting slow and some good pitchers who aren&#8217;t quite there yet.  That being said, I&#8217;d let this thing go until the All-Star break.  This group of guys has rallied enough times in the last 2-3 seasons that they at least get a bigger window to get some momentum going.</p>
<p>If they are still looking cruddy and inconsistent, maybe you deal Johnny Damon, or cut Giambi or something.  Maybe trade Abreu if they don&#8217;t want to resign him.  This might just be a okay team in a transition year.  I wouldn&#8217;t blow the whole thing up, but I really wouldn&#8217;t be too worried about dumping some guys.  You&#8217;ve got A-Rod, Posada, Jeter, and Mo together for at least 2 more seasons after this one (hopefully they do the SMART thing and just let Jeter walk if won&#8217;t move off SS), and the kids are under control for what, 4-5 more years?</p>
<p>I agree with another posted who earlier suggested maybe looking at Ben Sheets in the offseason.  If we can get him on a contract like Mussina&#8217;s extension (2 years, 22 million or so) might be worth it.  I&#8217;d be careful about Teixeira, 7 years didn&#8217;t work with Giambi.</p>
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		<title>By: A.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in reality they're only realing paying this year, this is the first season that we've even heard the Yankees not willing to expand payroll.

Getting Dunn or Burrell would be a terrible idea, they're both swing and miss hitters who aren't particularly consistent and while both have solid throwing arms, I believe they are both considered pretty bad outfielders with limited range.

Burnett &#38; Sheets is also probably not the best idea, they're not coming at any discout and they could easily be the next Pavano, the consistently miss some starts every year due to injury, and they are almost always arm/elbow injuries which has to be a warning sign.

So far the young pitching for young hitting looks like a bad idea, as the Rangers would probably prefer having a lights out starter that Volquez has been so far no matter how many RBI Hamilton puts up, and Delmon Young hasn't done much, while Garza has pitched pretty well since coming off the DL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in reality they&#8217;re only realing paying this year, this is the first season that we&#8217;ve even heard the Yankees not willing to expand payroll.</p>
<p>Getting Dunn or Burrell would be a terrible idea, they&#8217;re both swing and miss hitters who aren&#8217;t particularly consistent and while both have solid throwing arms, I believe they are both considered pretty bad outfielders with limited range.</p>
<p>Burnett &amp; Sheets is also probably not the best idea, they&#8217;re not coming at any discout and they could easily be the next Pavano, the consistently miss some starts every year due to injury, and they are almost always arm/elbow injuries which has to be a warning sign.</p>
<p>So far the young pitching for young hitting looks like a bad idea, as the Rangers would probably prefer having a lights out starter that Volquez has been so far no matter how many RBI Hamilton puts up, and Delmon Young hasn&#8217;t done much, while Garza has pitched pretty well since coming off the DL</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calling up Gardner isnt the answer... like it was mentioned, Damon, Melky, and Abreu have all hit fairly well considering the overall ineptitude of the offense. 

the real answer here is simply is putting together a little winning streak, and getting ARod and Posada back and healthy.

the starting staff is having more good days than bad, and the bullpen has been solid... 

just need consistency in the offense where they need production: 3B with ARod out, Catcher with Posada out, 1B with nothing really from Giambi/Duncan/Betemit/Ensberg, and 2B with Robby Cano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calling up Gardner isnt the answer&#8230; like it was mentioned, Damon, Melky, and Abreu have all hit fairly well considering the overall ineptitude of the offense. </p>
<p>the real answer here is simply is putting together a little winning streak, and getting ARod and Posada back and healthy.</p>
<p>the starting staff is having more good days than bad, and the bullpen has been solid&#8230; </p>
<p>just need consistency in the offense where they need production: 3B with ARod out, Catcher with Posada out, 1B with nothing really from Giambi/Duncan/Betemit/Ensberg, and 2B with Robby Cano.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you a tad - the starters were not supposed to keep the game close for the offense to bail them out, the offense was going to be so good that they could club their way to the playoffs with mediocre starting, voluminous options at middle relief, a dominant back-end of the bullpen and some mid-to-late season call-ups of power arms in the minors.

Guess what - someone scouting the Yanks did a piss-poor job, as greater-minds-than-us ( with access to better info, inside juice and other assets that billion dollar organizations have) have made a ton of poor decisions in the past year.

It doesnt matter if they made sense at the time - thats what reporters and bloggers yammer about.  Cash and other execs have a much greater scope to contend with ( i.e. profit over wins/losses etc.) but when it boils down to increasing the value of the asset (team) wins and the cost-per-win do matter.

Everyone liked the Vasquez trade at the time, and Contreras was flaky, and Weaver had 3 complete game shutouts when he was picked up mid-season, and randy was coming off a dominant season. and Brown had a 2.2 era the year before, and Pavano could have been a horse etc.  BUT what worked out??? nada. Each of the above guys were a little helpful...but talk about a downward spiral</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you a tad - the starters were not supposed to keep the game close for the offense to bail them out, the offense was going to be so good that they could club their way to the playoffs with mediocre starting, voluminous options at middle relief, a dominant back-end of the bullpen and some mid-to-late season call-ups of power arms in the minors.</p>
<p>Guess what - someone scouting the Yanks did a piss-poor job, as greater-minds-than-us ( with access to better info, inside juice and other assets that billion dollar organizations have) have made a ton of poor decisions in the past year.</p>
<p>It doesnt matter if they made sense at the time - thats what reporters and bloggers yammer about.  Cash and other execs have a much greater scope to contend with ( i.e. profit over wins/losses etc.) but when it boils down to increasing the value of the asset (team) wins and the cost-per-win do matter.</p>
<p>Everyone liked the Vasquez trade at the time, and Contreras was flaky, and Weaver had 3 complete game shutouts when he was picked up mid-season, and randy was coming off a dominant season. and Brown had a 2.2 era the year before, and Pavano could have been a horse etc.  BUT what worked out??? nada. Each of the above guys were a little helpful&#8230;but talk about a downward spiral</p>
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