How much is that first baseman in the window?

Game 36: Staying out of the cellar
The Mariano Rivera Appreciation Society

Well, if the first baseman in the window happens to be one playing in Altanta and represented by Scott Boras, the asking price could be $20 million a year for 10 years, according to Jon Heyman. Heyman, relying on some unnamed sources, reports that Scott Boras will expect conversations for Mark Teixeira‘s services to start at $200 million for ten years. Teixeira will turn 29 at the start of his big payday, and while Heyman says, on page two, that the Yanks are the clear front runners to land the first baseman, I’d feel much better with a five- or six-year deal with some options.

Game 36: Staying out of the cellar
The Mariano Rivera Appreciation Society
  • Mike P

    5 years is what’s best, but I think that’s really optimistic. 6 years with an option isn’t too bad.

  • Jon W.

    Unfortunately, I highly doubt the Yanks can get him for that number of years. While that’s definitely way too much to pay anyone, I’d rather give it to Tex than Sabathia.

  • Jamal G.

    I really see him signing for seven years with two options with $17 M per on average and maybe the two option years in the neighborhood of $19.5 M.

  • Manimal

    yankees are not going to make the same mistake twice. 5 years with a 2 year team option for about 22 mill per year.

  • YankCrank20

    I say pass on Tex. Throw our money at Sabathia, and if we have Tex playing first base where the hell are we going to put Posada/Jeter/A-Rod when they are incapable of playing their respected positions? If we spend money on Tex, 3 years down the road we’ll have another team full of DHs playing in the field. Also, Jesus Montero may be too big to catch and may become a damn good 1b for us.

  • Bruno

    NO Tex!

  • JRVJ

    Crank, the Yanks will have the money to pay Sabathia AND Teixeira after this year, AND plenty left (since they have AT LEAST $46.5MM coming off the books after this year – Giambi, Moose, Pavano, Farnsworth and Hawkins. They could have an extra $32MM coming off the books if both Pettitte and Abreu are no longer around, which is possible).

    Personally, I would root for Austin Jackson to keep on producing this year, and that he gets a shot a RF next year. If that happens, the Yankees can afford to grab Sabathia AND Teixera.

    P.S. I don’t know if he can keep it up, but Mussina is actually becoming a pretty valuable starter. If he can do this all year long, at what he’s being paid (about $10MM per) he’d actually be a bit of a bargain….

    • A.D.

      I like Abreu, but I like seeing him go after this year, we got value from him, we don’t need to throw more money at him, I like giving AJAX a shot, otherwise move Melky to right and put Gardner in Center, the key is not blocking prospects with aging veterans (see Mike Lowell vs Scott Brosius).

  • whozat

    “If he can do this all year long, at what he’s being paid (about $10MM per) he’d actually be a bit of a bargain….”

    If he can keep up what he’s done over his last four starts, he’ll have been a HELL of a bargain. Carlos Silva basically defines league average production over his career, and he got 12MM per. If Moose throws 5-6 innings a start and has an ERA around 4.75, that’s about what 10 mil buys you these days in terms of pitching. Well, maybe a few more IP.

    • Jamal G.

      I’ll go out on a limb and say Mike Mussina will give you a ERA in the range of 4.20 to 4.40.

      • whozat

        That would be wonderful. That’s solid AL 3rd starter territory, minus some innings pitched.

        If he, Wang and Pettitte can keep pitching as well as they have, Robbie gets it going and ARod comes back soon…they’ll be OK until Joba and Hughes come to reinforce the rotation. And I do think that Phil will be able to come back and solidify a spot.

      • ceciguante

        that really is going out on a limb. after his resurgence, he’s at about a 4.4 ERA. i have been hoping for him to just post a 4.75 with some semblance of consistency, which would be almost half run lower than last year’s ERA.

        as for that tex deal quoted by boras, i have two words: Giambi Redux.

        i hope they don’t fall for it. anyone care to wager what tex’s production would be like in the last 4 years of a 10 year pact? we’re talkin ages 35-38. i’d say he probably starts those 4 years at close to MLB average production, and probably ends those four years at below average performance.

        these long term deal hijacks are ridiculous. talk about paying a premium. the club has to pay a kings ransom for the years the player is actually producing, plus 2-4 additional years where they’re overpaying by probably 50-75%. i’d offer 6 years + club option(s), and maybe go to a 7th year, at a reduced salary if possible. boras is probably gunning for 8 yrs guaranteed.

        heck, why not get creative and try to get arbitration for anything past the 7th year. boras would flip out over the suggestion.

    • JRVJ

      Tell you what.

      I was watching the Boston game (the one in Fenway) on TV, and I frankly think that Girardi and the catcher (I think it was Molina) make a mistake in letting Moose pitch to Manny Ramirez.

      The mistake wasn’t so much that Mussina stayed in the game, but that they did not tell Moose to basically throw crap and junk at the Manny, and if he walks, fine.

      (This mistake was later compounded in the Bronx – it’s clear by now that Mussina should not throw strikes to Ramirez with men on base, unless the Yankees are winning by 8 or some such. And with the bases empty, he should junk ball him like nobody’s business).

      So in summation, I think that even one of Moose’s truly bad starts wasn’t all that bad (I’ve written here and at Pete Abe’s that I can buy some of the mistakes Girardi has made, because he’s learning what team he has. To me this was one of those cases. The Bronx Moose start was much more on Girardi, IMO).

  • NC Saint

    10 years at 20 is just an idiot-check. If he gets anywhere near that, it will be a poorly-run team bidding against itself. Hey, it worked for Zito.

    • steve (different one)

      “Mr. Boras, I have a Peter Angelos on line two”

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Mr. Boras, apparently Mr. Angelos is on both lines one and two…

  • Rich

    Heyman is Boras’s butt boy.

    • Jamal G.

      Jon Heyman is a complete tool. There’s no doubt about it, he’s a damn good reporter but he’s a tool and sucks at analysis.

  • barry

    I honestly wouldn’t mind giving Tex a 10 yr deal if he’s willing to do it for 175. if he want’s 20/yr then I give him 5-6. Tex has had a slow start this year but he could probably rake in New Yankee Stadium and there isn’t a steriod issue like with the incumbant Yankee first basemen. We’ll see but I deffinately think he could be a great addition and if 10 yrs is what it’s going to take then maybe a 7+3 that could be worth 200m if he produces.

  • Geno

    We’ve got a backlog of pitching in the minors. Good, young pitching. Why not package up a few of them and go for someone like Billy Butler or Adrian Gonzalez? Maybe we have to throw a good young position player in too, but that’s OK. If we found out the other team wanted the moon, then we could use free agency as a fallback position. I think we could offer a strong package for someone like Butler, without breaking the farm.

    • A.D.

      Butler is probably an unotuchable for KC, they’re real high on him, so it would have to be a major offer (like Hughes in the deal) which wouldn’t be what the Yanks want

      Adrian Gonzalez is the only person who hits for SD right now, so they’d need a bat in the deal

      • A.D.

        Following up on what your saying going after a top level prostpect 1B maybe the best bet, someone like the tigers that has good 1B prospect in AAA, and needs pitching…maybe could use McCutchen….but personally I like lots of arms.

  • Chris

    Giving Teixeira a 10 year deal would be just as bad as the 7 year deal we gave Giambi. The vast majority of 1st basemen decline drastically in their early to mid 30s.

  • A.D.

    The only thing that could benefit the yankees is tha market, last year Arod opted out and essentially had no suiters, many people could balk at a 10 year deal for Texiera, who is very good, but not a dominating hitter. The key would be no trade clause, he signs a big deal without a no-trade, its a good deal, if Montero comes up mashing you can trade Tex for minor league parts or pitching

    For the record the Yankees have 81.8 million coming off contract (which includes Giambi, Pavano, Farnsworth, Hawkins, Mussina, Bruney, Ensberg, Pettite, Abreu, Ensberg, Betemit, and Traber..of which some they can just not renew the contract) so they could afford 4 Tex’s. But I believe the Yankees will look to shrink payroll, they realize spending doesn’t mean world series championships.

    • A.D.

      Didn’t really mean “for the record” as much as I meant “according to the spreadsheet I made”.

    • Brett

      Ensberg is so bad he got named twice!!

      • A.D.

        Well they are paying him over a million this year!

  • My Pet Goat

    Those #s are B.S., but what’s the status of Youkilis? How close is he to FA? The Sox won’t sign him when Jim Bowden comes calling with a 5 yr /$55 million contract. I could see Tex being a good fit in Boston, as they’re going to be SOL in a year or two when Manny is gone and they’re tossing dirt on David Ortiz’s corpse. I’m sure they’re confident that Ellsbury and Pedroia will slot in nicely at 3-4 in the order, but they might want a plan B. As for the Yanks, I don’t want any part of Tex or Sabathia. Tex is no Giambi, but anything more than 6 years is unwise when you’ve got Montero (and Hosmer?) in the pipeline. And Sabathia has a date with the edge of a cliff in the next couple of years.

    Also when/if AJax comes up he’ll play center. You can slot Melky’s hose in right.

    • keith

      uhh??? Ellsbury will NEVER hit 3rd for any team and Pedroia will NEVER bat cleanup.

      • Whitey14

        Agreed, nobody in New England views Pedroia or Ellsbury in the 3-4 holes. 1-2 maybe, but not 3-4.

    • Seven Costanza

      little soon for hosmer talk no?

  • Rob

    Pass. Teixeira is good but the Yanks have learned that a high-priced 1B prevent flexibility with the rest of the roster. With one of A-Rod, Jorge, or Jetes (perhaps all three) needing to move in the next few years, there isn’t a place on this team for another rapidly aging 1B.

  • Yankee1010

    There’s no way Teixeira is getting a 10 year deal. That said, if you can get him for a contract similar to Giambi’s, that idea should not just be dismissed for a few reasons.

    1. Giambi was 31 in his first season with the Yanks. Teixeira will be 29. Giambi has been awful the last 2 years. Those 2 years make a huge difference.

    2. Giambi is a borderline historically bad defensive 1B. He never really was a full-time 1B as a Yankee, with good reason. Teixeira is a Gold Glove talent at 1B.

    3. Teixeira has shown that he is not injury prone and be productive in the “post-steroid” era. Giambi has not been the paragon of health post-steroids.

    4. Yes, the spot may be needed for Montero if he can’t stick at C. So what. Deal with that when the time comes. Why not let him try to stay at C? If he needs to play 1B, he can also DH. It’s not like the Yanks have gotten a ton of production from the DH spot lately. Also, by the time Montero is ready, the likes of Damon, Matsui, Giambi, etc. will no longer be Yankees. Who are the other “DH types” that would need to be put in teh DH spot?

    5. There aren’t too many free agents available in their prime. Sabathia and Teixeira are anomalies in the new “revenue sharing, printing money MLB of today”. These are the kinds of guys they should be paying. Not the Carl Pavanos, Tony Womacks, etc. The Yanks have a ton of money coming off the books and they wouldn’t have to give up 2 #1 picks by signing these guys. If they signed them in different offseasons, they would each cost the Yanks a #1 pick, but because they’re signed in the same offseason, that wouldn’t happen.

    6. It’s not like there is some perfect 1B solution in-house. The Yanks can’t afford to have someone at 1B with sub-standard production because they have offense at positions that other teams don’t. That mitigates the very value of the offense at the premium defensive positions.

    I think that Sabathia and Teixeira should be the Yanks’ 2 targets this winter and the other needs (bullpen, maybe the outfield – I like Mike A.’s Juan Rivera suggestion as a 1 year stopgap if Abreu wants a multi-year deal) can easily be fixed in-house.

    • Yankee1010

      By the way, if Posada comes back and it’s obvious that his shoulder will not let him play catcher again, that changes the discussion. Assuming Posada can come back, then I say go after Tex.

    • Mike P

      I agree but I don’t think you go above 6 years. Texeira will be good for most of that and if one year’s a mistake you eat it.

      More than that though and all the valid points you made become hazy. The Yanks have too many decent 1B options to go give Texeira a crazy contract.

      • Yankee1010

        Tex will age better than Giambi. I hate Giambi more than most, but I will admit that he did have some offensive value up until last year, i.e. the 6th year of his contract. Tex will be 2 years younger than Giambi was when Giambi signed his deal. Tex is a much more athletic guy and will actually be able to stay at 1B during the contract. Plus, I’m not buying Jeter as a 1B. Jeter is an offensive asset at SS, but will not be at 1B.

        • A.D.

          With the draft pick issue, they’ll get a first rounder for Abreu, and if Mussina keeps it up, maybe a 1st for him too, so it more than cancels out

  • Ballgame

    Tex is a career .285 hitter whose power peaked at the end of the PED era.
    No way they should sign him.

    • Yankee1010

      Um, no. His highest OPS was last year.

  • mustang

    I want Tex. 5 for 20 sounds right.

  • The Scout

    One factor not discussed: the Yankees were furious with Boras after the A-Rod episode. Will there be carryover to other boras clients? Have the Yankees tired of the whole Boras approach? If so, there will be little conversation.

    • A.D.

      I think the league is tired of it, even some of his clients have tired of it (Kenny Rogers & Sheffield), but as Boras clients keep looking to soak teams and then potentially not perform (Zito, Andruw Jones, J.D. Drew) the league is going to get tired of it

  • http://RiverAve.Blues Joseph M

    One word, Giambi, never again (OK that was three words).

    • RollingWave

      as a whole, the Giambi contract wasn’t nearly as bad as many make it sound. he’s 02 season was actually the best Yankee 1B offensive season by a non-Gehrig player. (it’s kinda debatable that Mattingly’s best season was better i guess) and I’d sign up for his 03/05/06 anyday as well.

  • chris

    for what it will cost to get Tex – they can get 2 good young players – what this team needs – as much youth as you can get.

    imagine dunn aiming at RF

    burrell is a free agent and last year showed how good he could be