Game 59: If we don’t give up 9 runs, we just might win


Just a couple of notes on the lineup. Posada has been activated, replacing Dan Giese on the roster. Which is a shame, considering LaTroy Hawkins is still around (and yeah, a bunch of other guys in the bullpen who could have been optioned out — at least it wasn’t Chris Britton.

Giambi tweaked his foot last night — not a good sign, considering the time he missed and was ineffective with plantar fasciitis. Apparently, he’s undergoing treatment, and it’s not clear whether he’ll be available to pinch hit tonight.

We’re counting on Moose for some innings tonight, mostly because it’s not advisable to go deep into the bullpen. It’s scary out there.

Your lineup:

1. Johnny Damon, LF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, DH
6. Wilson Betemit, 1B
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Jose Molina, C
9. Melky Cabrera, CF

Categories : Game Threads


  1. r.w.g. says:

    Let’s hope the Giambino gets healthy soon. He’s just raking right now.

    • r.w.g. says:

      And also.. I don’t like that they sent Giese down. With the way he pitched last night and the way he had been pitching, I thought the guy at least earned another appearance to try and throw his name in the hat for the long man spot.

      Hopefully he gets down there and stays after it and pitches his way back onto the big league club.

  2. Jamal G. says:

    Yeah, Jason Giambi got nicked pretty good on a foul tip so it’s not like he messed up any ligaments or things like that. X-Rays were negative so all should be well.

  3. Chip says:

    Seriously, Giese throws 4 solid innings of one-run ball last night and gets sent down? Latroy comes in with the bases loaded and allows all three runners to score (isn’t he supposed to be Mr. Sinker?) and he stays up? Farns can’t shut the door, Latroy can’t shut the door, Edwar buckled under pressure last night (which I’d like to point out is the first time he’s done that) and they send down Giese? I’d rather keep Giese up, trade away Farna dn Latroy and give Cox a shot but that’s just me

  4. George Kaplan says:

    Unrelated, but is Jemile Weeks as fast as he looks in those videos?

  5. LiveFromNewYork says:

    I don’t like that they sent Giese down. Is anyone thinking in that organization? (I can’t believe I’m calling them “that organization”)

  6. joba says:

    whats up with pope? he hasnt pitched since the 24 of may

  7. Newman says:

    Power of the stache

  8. Jamal G. says:

    Mike Mussina threw seven pitches in his first inning, Jessie Litsch threw six pitches to Johnny Damon in his AB, got to love good lead-off hitters.

  9. mustang says:

    I was really angry about yesterdays lost so much so that I told a friend that maybe this is what 2008 Yankees are a .500 team. That maybe we should realize that this is a rebuilding year and leave at that.
    Then I took a look at the June 4th, 2007 standings and reality slapped me in the face.
    They were 24-31 in last place 12.5 games back.
    Lets move forward,
    Go Yanks

  10. Mike A. says:

    God Jesse Litsch sucks. Of course that means he’s going to shut the Yanks down.

    He wouldn’t have cracked Trenton’s rotation last year.

  11. Jamal G. says:

    Which is a more useless and overrated stat, Wins or Batting Average? I cringe when either is used in an argument about baseball but if I would say Wins. That has to be the most worthless stat in all of sports yet it determines induction into the Hall of Fame, ugh.

    • Mike A. says:

      Wins because it’s largely dependent on your team. The other 24 men on the roster could suck, but you can still have a high batting average.

  12. E-ROC says:

    Mussina is throwing strikes. 20 strikes vs 8 balls.

  13. LiveFromNewYork says:


  14. E-ROC says:

    Poor Smoltz. I feel for the guy. One of my favorite players to watch. Hopefully, he can comeback next year and become the Braves closer next year.

  15. Jamal G. says:

    LoL, “if everybody open their umbrellas you can’t see”. Al Leiter, who the hell was at Dolphins Stadium for anyone’s view to be obstructed?

  16. Jamal G. says:

    Someone definitely told Robinson Cano to start taking that first pitch, it has been a dramatic change over the past couple of days.

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      yeah what’s going on with that? it’s not working whatever it is

    • claybeez says:

      At the game last night though the bet was if he could take more than 1. Memory tells me it never happened (research may say differently)

    • Mike A. says:

      A-Rod needs to say to Cano “For every pitch you take for a ball, ‘ll give you $10,000. For every ball out of the zone you swing at, or take for a strike, you have to give me $20,000.” That’ll solve it ;)

  17. Newman says:

    Jesus Robby, mind busting it out of the box?

  18. Jamal G. says:

    That was David Eckstein’s “Power Swing”.

  19. E-ROC says:

    Eckstein showed grit in that AB

  20. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Moose has his WTF UMP? face working.

  21. Mike A. says:

    I asked this to Joe and Ben earlier, and got responses that weren’t really definitive, so I’ll ask it hear: would you trade Cano straight up for Zack Greinke (who MLBTR says might be dealt)?

    I say yes, hesitantly.

    • Joey says:

      I would say no, hesitantly. Before this season I thought (and most others) Robbie would be a batting average champ for years to come and has some serious pop for a second baseman. He needs someone to push him, and if we can get someone I firmly believe he can be a lot better than what he’s been showing us lately

    • wfbtr&gldchn says:

      I do that deal without hesitation. In a choice between a starter and a position player, both with high upside but what be called character question marks, I’ll take my chances with the starter.

    • E-ROC says:

      I would say yes even though Greinke is a flyball pitcher and that short porch in right scares me.

    • No. Cano has the potential to be the best-hitting 2B in the AL, at least, but he may benefit from a warm-weather location. I like Greinke but not enough to trade him for Cano–definitely for a package like Melky + IPK + C-level prospect (Marquez?). Maybe somewhere like LAD (with some of their propsect) or Arizona, who may need a 2B when Orlando Hudson leaves

    • A.D. says:

      My issue is Grienke is essentially 1.5 years removed from being a headcase, he could go back to that, otherwise I’d be intrigued, something like Lincecum for Cano definitly

  22. dan says:

    If they’re sending Giese down then who’s shadowing Joba for his next start or two? They seem to be abandoning plans like crazy these days (okay, maybe just two plans, but still)

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      Exactly. It’s like they’re throwing darts at different scenarios and whatever it hits, that’s what they do. They should pick a plan and stay with it. The Joba/Giese combo is a good one. So of course we should abandon it.

  23. LiveFromNewYork says:

    I don’t remember the Incredible Hulk having a girlfriend.

  24. Mike A. says:

    Didn’t they just make a Hulk movie like, 2 years ago? Is Lou Ferrigno in this one? Did you know that he’s deaf?

    • whozat says:

      yeeeeahh…they’re trying to ignore the existence of that film :-)

      Ed Norton’s in this one. Could be interesting. If they get into Bruce Banner’s head, that is. If they just make it a stupid action movie…it’ll suck. But, if you’re going to do taht, why even bother to get a good actor?

      So maybe it’ll be good.

      Let’s go Jeet, cash Molina in. He just hauled ass around the diamond for you!

    • Joey says:

      Ed Norton is the hulk in this one, which alone makes it worth seeing. Talked to a friend who I asked the same question (didn’t they just remake the movie a few years ago) and he said they really fucked that one up, this one will be much better

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Loved Lou Ferrigno whenever he was on an episode of King of Queens.

  25. Moose to Jays: “I’m Rick James, bitch!”

  26. Newman says:

    Leadoff batter on in every inning, how about cashing in for once?

  27. Newman says:

    A hit and run?!!?!?!??!?! Is this the Yankee game I’m watching?

  28. Joey says:

    Congrats Cap’n. Passes Mickey Mantle for 3rd on the all time Yankees list.

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      I’ve been down on Jeter this year (I think it started in last year’s playoffs) but I give him major props for it and even acknowledging the fans who adore him.

  29. mustang says:

    To Mr. Jeter for passing my favorite Yankee the late great Mickey Mantle.

  30. Mike A. says:

    Michael Kay has already managed to ruin the term “Jeterian.”

    • Alan says:

      I’m checking in late tonight purely to make sure that “Jeterian” was mentioned. Was not disappointed, carry on folks.

  31. LiveFromNewYork says:

    If anyone is doing a drinking game, Jeterian would be a good word to use.

  32. Newman says:

    That 2-2 fastball was literally right down the middle, how was that not called?

  33. Mike A. says:

    Ladies and gents, Rod Barajas is your trivia question answer.

  34. Jamal G. says:

    That Two-Seamer was nasty.

  35. LiveFromNewYork says:

    You gots to respect the Moose.

  36. Jamal G. says:

    You know, people love to talk shit about things they have no clue about. Joel Sherman in his Hardball blog was getting on the Yankees defense and saying it was shit compared to the defense of Tampa Bay and Boston. However, a quick look at ESPN’s Zone Rating (my preferred defensive statistic) and it shows you that Johnny Damon is the second best LF in the AL in terms of range, Melky Cabrera is slight behind Carlos Gomez for the 3rd highest ZR for AL CFs, Robinson Cano also ranks as 4th for AL 2B, and Alex Rodriguez (if qualified) would have the 2nd highest ZR in the AL.

    People look at age and automatically think you can’t play defense if your name is not Omar Vizquel but that just is not true. The Yankees are getting to these batted balls at a damn good rate but they don’t have anyone on the field that is considered a defensive whiz (IMO Robinson Cano can be considered one) so their defense is considered old and sluggish.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Sherman does always say he thinks Cano is very good defensively. I know you hate Sherman, but again, i like the stuff he writes alot and to me is the best baseball writer in the NY newspapers. Also, Jeter and whoever play 1b are so bad they drag down the entire defense. Not to mention Abreu, even though in the past he has always had pretty good defensive numbers.

      • Jamal G. says:

        I hate Joel Sherman not because I think he’s an idiot, I actually think he’s one of the smartest in the business. The problem I have with him is that he will buck the trend and report on a scout’s take on Joba Chamberlain and how he can sustain his velocity throughout a start but then a couple columns later he will make an argument for Joba Chamberlain staying in the bullpen and say that his stuff might not translate to a full six or seven innings. It’s like he has all these great notes and then just completely disregards them when it’s time to give his opinion, it’s frustrating.

  37. BigBlueAL says:

    Its gotta be the glasses!!

  38. Jamal G. says:

    Yeah, and Wilson Betemit isn’t a good bat to have off the bench?

    • whozat says:

      He’s terrible! Making a good play at first and hitting a homer! He needs to bunt more! That’s what bench players do…bunt and steal! That’s the only way to have value!

  39. Jamal G. says:

    LoL, I don’t hear Michael Kay bitching about Robbie swinging at the first pitch now.

    Let him be the hitter he is.

    • whozat says:

      Well…in fairness, he’s been getting himself into a LOT of trouble swinging at junk early in the count.

  40. E-ROC says:

    Jose Molina WALKED!!!!!

  41. Newman says:

    Mike, your point about Litsch sucking is well taken. I don’t even disagree with that analysis to be honest, my point was merely that even though he may not be that good, his numbers for a 5 starter are excellent (as of this point in the season)

  42. Joey says:

    Melk man!!!!!

  43. Jamal G. says:

    Newman, you said you feel that Joe Girardi has been conservative in his approach thus far and by and large you are in no way the minority opinion. My two questions to those of you who feel that way are:

    1. What are you comparing his conservativeness too? In other words, his managerial style of play is conservative in comparison to whom?

    2. Doesn’t the fact that the Yankees are a sub-.500 team play into the fact that Joe Girardi can not call for all the hit and runs he would like or send all the runners he would like? If you are down in the game you are hesitant to put yourself at greater risk for making outs. The situation has to call for aggressive play, losing in most games he has managed this season it’s hard to believe those situations have been in abundance.

    • A.D. says:

      For me, which I agree with:

      1. Much more conservative to a team like the angels (who obv have a different bunch of players), how the Twins played this weekend or seeming most NL teams, part of this also just seems more conservative as they haven’t been scoring runs…tying into #2

      2. One could argue both ways, but a lot of issues haven’t been the Yanks down early, or at least not way down, say last night. It seems like the Yanks get a leadoff batter, and you have some guys coming up that haven’t been hitting, why not bunt or hit and run, instead we see station to station, or lack there of. Also you get a leadoff hitter on with speed, have him try and steal right away, then bunt, runs are at a premium for this team, so do whatever to force them accross even if its giving up outs.

      I get not stating the runner if your way down, but this is more stuff to do in the 2-5th inning

    • Newman says:

      Brett Myers has a no-no through 6, but Edinson Volquez has matched zeros with him

  44. E-ROC says:

    Should Cabrera make himself a left handed hitter permanently?

    • Jamal G. says:

      Nook Logan was a Switch-hitter who was horrid from the left side and he became a RHB. So who knows, I don’t think Melky Cabrera is anywhere near the point where he should be thinking about abandoning his Switch-hitting capabilities but it has been done before.

      • A.D. says:

        Cervelli gave up switch hitting last year and did well, J.T. Snow did it why he was a big leaguer and had success

  45. Mike A. says:

    Check the Moose out. He ain’t playin’ yo.

  46. E-ROC says:

    Mussina is striking batters out looking. Wow!

  47. mustang says:

    Moose right now is just amazing.

  48. Mike A. says:

    I love watching Eckstein throw. He tries so hard with that shotput arm action.

  49. Jamal G. says:

    Four of the Top 12 pitchers in the AL in terms of K/9 are from the Toronto Blue Jays rotation.


    LoL, the Detroit Tigers suck. They have actually enlisted the services of one Casey Fossum. Over his first two appearances he has allowed five Earned Runs on five Hits and recorded just one out.

  50. Mike A. says:

    Abreu hasn’t gotten a hit since hitting Blackburn.

  51. Kelvin says:


  52. Jamal G. says:

    Mike Mussina has allowed six hits and zero runs over his last ten innings.

  53. E-ROC says:

    Betemit did a heat check by swinging at the first pitch.

  54. E-ROC says:

    I wonder if Girardi will yank Mussina before he gets to 100 pitches.

  55. Joey says:

    any chance the Yanks give Moose a week or so off at some point after the AS break? I remember last year he flamed out at the end, if they could be thinking the same thing could happen

  56. Kelvin says:

    Hmmm..anybody here knows Moose’s k/bb ratio? thanks a lot guys!

  57. LiveFromNewYork says:

    comon Moose CG dude!

  58. Jamal G. says:

    Mike Mussina has the biggest discrepancy of Runs Allowed to Earned Runs (9) amongst the Top 50 AL pitchers in terms of Innings Pitched. That sucks, LoL.

  59. Mike A. says:

    Moose knows what’s waiting for him after the game.


    That’s why he’s moving right along.

  60. Matt says:

    Guys, RIP to former Yankee great 3rd baseman Clete Boyer who passed away 1 year ago today at the age of 70.

  61. Joey says:

    well that was a buzz kill

  62. E-ROC says:

    When was the last time Mike Mussina threw 100 pitches in game?

  63. A.D. says:

    Squeeze city that evening

  64. Matt says:

    Ha. Sorry Joey.

  65. Matt says:

    E-ROC, try last start.

  66. Jamal G. says:

    That guy in the FOX Business commercial looks as uncomfortable as any man next to a woman can be. What a pansy.

  67. Will says:

    I’ve gotta say–that late run notwithstanding, Mussina’s turnaround from last year to this year is my favorite Yankee story of the season thus far.

  68. BigBlueAL says:

    Yankees better get an insurance run or two if they wanna win this game.

  69. Matt says:

    Molina showing some power!!!

  70. Jamal G. says:

    Talk about double or nothing.

  71. BigBlueAL says:

    I guess Molina was reading this site last night and the talk that Moeller should be the backup and not him mustve inspired him tonight!!

  72. Joey says:

    well Molina’s playing better…

  73. BigBlueAL says:

    Great AB Melky.

  74. LiveFromNewYork says:

    He’s not an everyday catcher and he doesn’t really like it. He’s a great backup catcher though. I think the every day thing doesn’t work for him but he’s a very good backup catcher.

  75. Rich says:

    Damon remains en fuego.

  76. Jamal G. says:

    Stolen Base here.

  77. Joey says:

    Johnny D!

  78. damn Molina, you wanna be on this team now dontcha?

    and has anyone realized that A-Rod hasn’t hit a triple since 2006

  79. BigBlueAL says:

    Good thing the Yanks didnt trade Damon or Matsui.

  80. mustang says:

    When Moose was younger he was such a bitch ass.
    I mean everything had to be right he had to pitch on the fifth day. The game had to start on time he would let bad calls get to him.
    This guy is like a totally different person he just keeps on moving with slow, slower and slowest.

  81. Mike A. says:

    Why do the Yanks have to play a day game on draft day?

  82. Jamal G. says:

    I am so glad this episode of Centerstage with Snoop is going to air tonight, I can’t take listening to Michael Kay say “Fo Schizzle” one more time.

  83. Mike A. says:

    Ross rockin’ the ivy league ‘stache.

  84. BigBlueAL says:

    Oh boy, he comes the bullpen, PLEASE get 6 outs w/o coughing up a 3-run lead.

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      That’s why I think we shouldn’t pull Moose until he’s at 150 pitches. I mean, he’s not pitching that hard. He can handle it.

  85. yay, Ohlendorf in a setup situation!

  86. A.D. says:

    Ohlendorf, the new farnsworth

  87. Jamal G. says:

    I’ve always hated putting up my fingers in the air to represent how many outs have been recorded in the inning. I always felt people are thinking “Really?! Really, jackass?! Thanks a lot, I was completely oblivious to what just happened in front of my fucking eyes. Asshole.” I don’t know, maybe I’m just nuts.

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      but how do you really feel about it?

    • BigBlueAL says:

      As an umpire, i get driven nuts since im always freakin asked how many outs there are!!!! Even if there is a scoreboard!!!! Whats even worse, when im behind the plate and after the first pitch of an at-bat, they ask me the count!!!! There have been times where ive told the coach or scorekeeper, are you serious????

    • whozat says:

      I’ve seen enough guys treat the second out like the third out that I don’t begrudge anyone the decision to do that fingers.

    • it’s particularly annoying if you’re a firstbaseman, like me. I mean, I catch the damn ball for the out I think I’d know how many damn outs there are!!!

  88. Rich says:

    Mariano for six?!?!

  89. Kelvin says:

    Well that wasn’t so bad.. two more innings pen!

  90. Link says:

    so Ohlendorf finally gets to pitch just one inning…let’s hope whoever comes in the 8th doesn’t explode…

  91. Newman says:

    KRAZY KYLE TIME, cover your eyes

  92. Link says:

    so Girardi is just going to keep forcing Farnsworth in there…

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      Don’t get the Farnsworth thing. I can only hope he’s trying to blow out his arm and land him on the DL

  93. BigBlueAL says:

    Of all the times to hit-and-run, not when Arod is up!!!! wasted an Arod at-bat.

    • A.D. says:

      If by avoiding a DP its a wasted at bat than yes

      • BigBlueAL says:

        You cant assume Arod wouldve hit a grounder to SS if it wasnt a hit-and-run. The fact he had to swing at that pitch probably is what caused it. Im just saying, of all the guys in the lineup to hit-and-run with, you dont do it with Arod unless its a full count then fine send the runner.

  94. Kelvin says:

    Cmon now, Kyle again???? argh,,

  95. Jamal G. says:

    I think the simulcast of the draft on MLB.com is free but don’t quote me on that, trying to check it out but MLB.com is being a prick and not loading properly in certain areas of the site.

  96. A.D. says:

    Interesting the Jays have a lefty set-up guy for a lefty closer

  97. Joey says:

    holy shit MLB.tv just quit on me the last few minutes. WTF?

  98. Rich says:

    Matsui has been money.

  99. BigBlueAL says:

    This is how you protect a lead late in the game, by increasing it!!!! Now this is Yankees baseball.

  100. Jamal G. says:

    “MLB.com will have exclusive coverage of the remaining rounds on Day 1 with live analysis from The Milk House by Draft expert Jonathan Mayo. Coverage will begin at 11:30 a.m. on Day 2 and continue through to the final pick. MLB.com’s coverage will also feature two days of live video from Florida on BaseballChannel.TV.”

    If the simulcast is on BaseballChannel.TV as well then it’s free, only MLB.TV requires a paid subscription.

  101. Rich says:

    The draft is on ESPN 2 @ 2 PM EDT.

    • Jamal G. says:

      I know, but that was for those who want to pay attention to both the draft and the Yankees’ afternoon game visually that don’t have MLB.TV.

  102. Rich says:

    I was hoping that a new, younger manager would be more open to changing his mind when confronted with new facts.

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      I was hoping that because it’s Joe Girardi. A brilliant field manager and a real wonk when it comes to studying the game. Does he skip the Kyle Farnsworth class or is he just stubbornly refusing to believe Farnsworth sucks.

  103. Jamal G. says:

    You know what’s funny about this outing by Kyle Farnsworth, he can’t win. If he pitches well it will just be labeled a meaningless, no pressure outing and that’s it. If he pitches bad he will be torched.

    • Joey says:

      I don’t know who Kyle Farnsworth is anyway. If you mean Krazy Kyle or Farnsworthless we can talk

    • Link says:

      I think Farnsworth’s body of work is large enough that it is already established that the lesser the lead the worse he is going to pitch more often than not…

  104. A.D. says:

    Farns dropped the full wind-up

  105. Jamal G. says:

    The Yankees don’t have an off-day till June 16th, this shit again?

  106. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Remember when Scott Proctor set his equipment on fire on the mound? Those were the days.

  107. Jamal G. says:

    Jumper was such a disappointment, I was really looking forward to that movie.

  108. Kelvin says:

    Well, that wasn’t bad at all…wow…a 1-2-3 inning from krazy kyle..

  109. BigBlueAL says:

    Joe Maur just hit a 2r-Sac fly. Gomez scored from 2nd when Jones slipped after catching a flyball in deep Left-CF.

  110. Ivan says:

    Amando Benitez, where have you been?

  111. Link says:

    Armando Benitez is still in baseball? lol…

  112. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Fine aging by Rivera.

  113. LiveFromNewYork says:

    There’s no bottom of the ninth. Sit yer ass down.

  114. LiveFromNewYork says:

    I never get tired of watching this guy pitch.

  115. Joey says:

    okay BigBlueAL- ready? On three. One. Two. Three:

    MO IS GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

  116. LiveFromNewYork says:


  117. Mike A. says:

    The Yanks really need to start scouting Panama a bit more heavily.

    • Jamal G. says:

      There’s not a lot of quality fields down there that supports organized baseball and we are still a futbol first country so I don’t think it is worth that much attention. Wish it were though, baseball wise :(

  118. Jamal G. says:

    I love C.B. Bucknor, his strikeout calls are great entertainment. I remember a game last year where he was the HP ump in a Red Sox game and Terry Francona ticked him off so he just went off with his K calls. Coco Crisp K’ed looking to end the game and Bucknor literally laded up to punch out Crisp like he was throwing a final blow to Kimbo Slice.

  119. Jamal G. says:

    Derek Jeter pumps his fist and pounds his glove after a Win for a sub-.500, last place team? Absolute bush.

  120. Rich says:

    Time to start a long winning streak.

  121. Manimal says:

    WOAH WOAH WOAH, Hold the phone. Was that Bruney?!?! Walking and High-fiving at the end of the game?

  122. Rich says:

    Bruney was interviewed by Waldman before the game and said his rehab is about at the midway point.

  123. Joey says:

    Eh, a Mo outing isn’t the same when BigBlueAL doesn’t say “Mo is GOD” along with me… I think I’m gonna cry :-D

  124. NYFan50 says:

    Rick Sutcliffe is railing on Joba’s 140 inning limit this year. It would be great if for once ESPN could hire an analyst that actually knew something.

    • Brandon says:

      Sutcliffe loves Joba, he actually is one of the guys in ESPN that believes Joba can flip this season around as a SP

  125. Brandon says:

    Melancon continues to be Gossage 2.0
    3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K’s

  126. Mike A. says:

    Man, Ted Lilly would have saved our rotation last year!!111!!one

  127. Mike A. says:

    Man, Jason Botts was traded to a Japanese team. For reals!

  128. i have a big crush on Rachel Bilson, i love her eyes.~~`

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