Game 74: Patience with youth


When tonight’s Reds starter Edinson Volquez made his Major League debut, he was 21 years old and a phenom out of the Texas Rangers’ system. He struggled mightily that year, going 0-4 with an ERA of 14.21.

Over the next two years, he would improve but not by much. In 2006 and 2007, he was 3-7 with a 5.90 ERA. While his strike out totals improved in 2007 to a shade under one K per inning, the Rangers opted to trade the youngster for Josh Hamilton last winter. It’s been a win-win trade for both teams.

On the season, Volquez has been one of the top NL pitchers. He’s 9-2 with a 1.64 ERA. In 88 innings, he’s given up 29 fewer hits per innings pitched, but he’s walked a batter an inning every two innings. His 105 strike outs are rather impressive.

Volquez is a study in patience with youth. He made his debut just a few weeks after his 22nd birthday, and now he has matured into a pitcher everyone thought he would be. Keep that mind when next you disparage Phil Hughes for a bad start this year.

On the mound for the Yankees is Father Time himself, going for his 11th win. Mike Mussina will have to pitch a tight game to give the Yankees an opening they’ll need against Volquez. Game time is 7:05 p.m.

Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C

Mussina P

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Eric says:

    Right on about Volquez and Hughes. Phil can still be an ace in the future even if he doesn’t pitch like one at age 21.

  2. TurnTwo says:

    i know we have to preach patience with Hughes, but i worry about comparing his development to other young pitchers like what we’ve seen with Volquez.

  3. TurnTwo says:

    here we go… the immortal Edinson takes the mound at the Bronx Cathedral.

  4. A.D. says:

    Volquez was my fantasy steal of the year

  5. A.D. says:

    Well the Reds are better at throwing out runners than the Padres

  6. A.D. says:

    Interesting that Bruce is the leadoff hitter for the Reds


    what channel is the game on?

  8. Adrian-Retire21 says:

    I forget are we a AAA team or like the Cincinnati Reds where we don’t compete every year.

    We don’t have time to let Hughes,Joba and Kennedy all work out their stuff.Maybe two but Hughes ain’t gonna go 60-80 innings this year.What do we do next year with him.

    Let him stay in AAA until late next year and get a pitcher who can give us 200 innings.You ain’t getting 200 innings out of any of these kids.

    Also Mussina ain’t winning 20 wins which he never did in he’s career and he all of a sudden gonna do it at age 39.And Pettitte and Wang has been in the DL each of the last 3 years at some point.

    I might sound negative but I rather be negative then live in fantasy land like those people who bought those stupid “SAve The Big Three” shirts.

    • TurnTwo says:

      moose winning twenty games is more about the team behind him on the field then Moose himself.

      if he won 10 games before this offense even got going, youd have to guess even if you assume he’ll regress a bit with his own stuff that the offense will pick him up now on some of those starts.

      not saying he’ll do it, but i dont think 15 or 16 wins minimum is out of the question.

    • A.D. says:

      I think the argument to be made is that premiums for top notch starting pitching are much greater than they used to be, so the yankees can’t just buy it as easily or trade a few token prospect. On top of that those very prospects could be the top flight starters they end of trading for later.

      There aren’t many WS winning teams of late that were purely based on hired guns

    • Ben K. says:

      The only fantasy land anyone’s living in is you where teams should never develop young pitchers because fans out of touch with baseball reality demand 162-0 seasons every year.

  9. Bill says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but after this last Padres series and after two stolen base attempts in two innings tonight, could this be Girardi really turning the aggressiveness up for the Yanks? It may just be because they are on this streak, but I personally like it a lot.

    • TurnTwo says:

      i hope so… honestly, thats the type of attitude and game plan i was expecting from Girardi. keep the pressure on.

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      I like it too. Maybe he’s settling in.

      We all know from his days behind the plate that he’s really a brilliant field manager and we all know he’s wonky and likes to review film after film. I don’t think he’s lost that. He just might have been overwhelmed with the idea of being in NY, the injuries etc etc. Maybe he and the team are settling down.

      • Bill says:

        Let us not forget it was Joe Girardi who played for the 96-97 smallball Yankees. It’s a game I love, and it may be something he may look to implement more and more with the yankees.

      • TurnTwo says:

        yeah, i think he’s finally got his full starting lineup in place, and firing on all (or most) cylinders.

  10. Ivan says:

    Good pitching by volquez.

  11. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Get him home yo

  12. Ivan says:

    Great play by Votto.

  13. LiveFromNewYork says:

    oooh just saw the Reds doing the Terrorist Fist Pump. Keep your eye on them.

    • TurnTwo says:

      i thought it was a Terrorist Fist JAB.

      in any case, i’m glad the telecom companies can now bug the bullpen phone without Dusty Baker knowing.

      • LiveFromNewYork says:

        Exactly.. They’re the “Reds,” they did the Terrorist Fist thing.

        Calling homeland security…

  14. Mac says:

    Cano is just. Ugh.

  15. TurnTwo says:

    quiet in here again…

  16. A.D. says:

    Molina back to back?

  17. A.D. says:

    Damon loves the broken bat hit

  18. dan says:

    So maybe Mussina won’t be burning the bullpen in its weakened state.

  19. A.D. says:

    I love the running/agressiveness… but maybe they shouldn’t keep trying to run on the reds

  20. Chip says:

    Gotta swing if it’s close with the runner going

  21. A.D. says:

    Damnit Cano

  22. TurnTwo says:

    that was disgusting.

  23. A.D. says:

    WOW, DAMN Molina picking up Cano

  24. bostonsucks@life says:

    Cano didn’t hustle than does that dunb shit god damn he irks me

  25. bostonsucks@life says:

    I was talking about the grounball votto made that play on my bad

  26. A.D. says:

    BC SUCKS…in all seriousness I hope he’s okay

  27. A.D. says:

    ugh, Mussina isn’t the pitcher to commit errors behind, it usually doesn’t go well

  28. A.D. says:

    That may have been the most athletic thing I’ve ever seen Molina do

  29. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Moose with an intentional walk? Can we remember this when we play the Red Sox.

    • A.D. says:

      Its like walking the guy in front of Manny apparently

    • Ben K. says:

      How about we don’t remember this when we play the Red Sox? Walk a guy leading off to face a guy who’s already 2 for 2. Brilliant.

      • LiveFromNewYork says:

        Yeah I meant remember to walk Manny. I thought Moose just didn’t ever want to walk anyone. I didn’t mean do it THIS way because this way was stupid.

  30. A.D. says:

    interesting IBB

  31. TurnTwo says:

    well, that didnt work out well.

  32. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Well that didn’t work out so well.

  33. bostonsucks@life says:

    Well that sucks

  34. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Here we go.

  35. A.D. says:

    as an FYI the Stanford game was rained out today so Bleich will pitch tomorrow

  36. Ben K. says:

    You know what sucks? These are earned runs.

  37. A.D. says:

    Molina should have kept moving towards the runner to block the plate, and even then its close

    • Ben K. says:

      Should have, but he was too far down the line and the runner was already sliding. It’s slowed down on the replay but he really didn’t have enough time.

  38. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Jose was about to get tossed.

  39. A.D. says:

    But this is why you need to make plays behind mussina

  40. Ben K. says:

    So is this a return to the “someone made an error so I can’t get the third out” Mike Mussina?

  41. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Where did our Jason go?

  42. LiveFromNewYork says:

    Why are the umpires high fiving the players during a game?

  43. LiveFromNewYork says:

    This completely sucks.

  44. Ben K. says:

    At least Moose is keeping his pitch count down. No need to go every member of the overworked Veras/Farnsworth/Rivera trio tonight.

  45. Ben K. says:

    I hear Derek’s got an edge…

  46. A.D. says:

    Yanks probably need to get Volquez out of there and get to the pen

  47. TurnTwo says:

    3 HRs in one game? i know a guy who actually scored 4 TD’s in one high school football game…

  48. A.D. says:

    “Really one of those deep thinkers…get’s into having a conversation”

    Gotta love it

  49. A.D. says:

    Nice play by Jeter

  50. joe says:

    Al bundy?

  51. TurnTwo says:

    nice throw by Giambi, almost got him.

  52. A.D. says:

    I dunno what was worse Cabrera on the bases or Giambis throw

  53. A.D. says:

    I never really considered “injury prone” ususally thats the guys that are always injured for something every year, he was rock solid except for a few years in Cinci where he had injuries that caused him to miss essentially the whole season

  54. Manimal says:

    LMAO at Michael Kay.

    Tough Break… no pun intended.

    • A.D. says:

      especially when no one probably thought he was trying to be funny. Though after Milton Bradley wanted to attack that KC announcer, every announcer is probably trying to be real clear

  55. A.D. says:

    Alright something going

  56. A.D. says:

    Need something from Cano

  57. Ivan says:

    tough a-bat by melky.

  58. DeMarcus says:

    Dusty baker, relax- you team still sucks

  59. DeMarcus says:

    YOUR team-whoops

  60. A.D. says:

    Posada pinch hit?

  61. A.D. says:

    now they’re going to have to hit Cordero

  62. A.D. says:

    gotta get the next 2 then

  63. Rich says:

    How much longer do we have to wait for Gardner to compete with Melky for ABs?

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