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Good ol’ MLBTR points us to another Tony E. Renck-generated non-rumor: “Keep an eye,” Renck writes, “on the Yankees’ interest in Brian Fuentes.” The Yanks have long been interested in Fuentes, and Tim at MLBTR speculates that the Yanks could pursue Fuentes to fill in the role vacated by Joba Chamberlain. If not Fuentes, then perhaps the Yanks will revisit Damaso Marte whom the Yanks once traded for Enrique Wilson.

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  • Chris

    And who exactly are the yanks givin up for mr. fuentes?

  • Geno

    I know it’s a little premature, but I think Edwar could be our 8th-inning guy.

  • E-ROC

    I think the Rockies would want starting pitching or a bat. Is Fuentes a free agent after this season?

    I think the Yanks need a RH bat off the bench before a bullpen arm. Kendry Morales, Chad Tracy, Juan Rivera, or how about Chris Duncan, even though he isn’t right handed?

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I’m pretty sure Chad Tracy is a lefty hitter too.

      • E-ROC

        Oops, I was thinking Connor Jackson.

        • A.D.

          Jackson isn’t going to be available

          Aybar is another name to throw into that list, though I don’t know if the Rays will trade him within the division

          Fuentes is a free agent after this season

  • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

    The only guy the Rox would give for Fuentes is a guy like Kennedy. If your the Yanx at this point You must seriously consider . As crazy as it sounds … great middle relievers are the difference in a championship. I know Fuentes does have his issues every now and then and a move like this could be Jay Witasick all over again. but these gambles must be made especially with the current roster the yanx have…unless the Yanx really think that melencon is really ready and will perform.
    It also may be a hard move to make knowing that Johan could have been gotten in a package revolving around IPK. But what must be done must be done.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      As crazy as it sounds … great middle relievers are the difference in a championship.

      That is crazy. Especially since the Rockies had Fuentes in their bullpen last year when they lost the World Series because they didn’t have enough … wait for it … starting pitching.

      • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

        That is obviously true, but i dont think you could tell me with a straight face that one of the main things that has been plaguing the yanx has been lack of bullpen depth (aside for mo). I know starters are at a premium all the time but to be honest (in my opinion) I said this even when he was dominating the minors and even with his couple of good starts in the majors last year I was a fan of moving him while his stock was the highest possible. simply because I didn’t like his stuff. If the yanx end up keeping him I would love to see him succeed but I dont see it happening at least not the expectations that you guys are setting for him.(im entitled to my opinion ain’t I?)

      • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

        Mike , the bafoons (mike and the mad dog) Are actually speaking about the yanx trading IPK for CC. how bout that????that could be interesting….

        • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

          Based on what he’s done at the ML level this year, why would Cleveland do that deal?

          MATMD scare me sometimes with their psychotic talk. And heaven forbid you get on the show and try to call them on it.

          • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

            Cause clevland knows hes gonna walk at the end of the year..and if they are far out of contention by the deadline it would be a smart move for clevland . then the yanx get the rights to sign him (if thta the goal)’
            But your right They are a bunch of idiots who dont know a thing. its a shame those pompous fools have such a big job)

            • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

              >> Cause clevland knows hes gonna walk at the end of the year. >>

              Even so, Shapiro would be run out of town on a rail.

              • Bo

                I would think that Shapiro has built up some credibility after last yr that he can part with Sabathia now.

      • RustyJohn

        Lol…yes, that would go over well with the fan base and comport with logic…we refuse to trade IPK (granted, with other prospects) for Santan, but we’ll trade IPK for a middle reliever.

        I seem to remember one or two guys working their way up the minors who may fill this role who are referenced with regularity on this blog.

    • steve (different one)

      It also may be a hard move to make knowing that Johan could have been gotten in a package revolving around IPK.

      if you say so, it must be true!!

      after all, you have a blog!

      • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

        Steve , that was funny….
        I only say that bec the Mets gave up so little And after all said and done it didnt look like the yanx werent as interested as the media let on….Truth is we will never know.

        • A.D.

          Difference is that’s all the Mets had to give, it was easier for them to negotiate because they had less to bring to the table and less to loose, just how it’s easier to go all-in in poker when your short on chips

    • Russell NY

      Santana cost too much money (especially considering the luxury tax) plus had question marks surrounding his stuff. His velocity is down, he doesn’t go deep into games, and all the innings he pitched early in his career made him questionable for the 2nd half of his contract.

      Saying Kennedy was a reason (even remotely) that the Yanks didn’t pick up Santana is crazy.

      • mustang

        You forgot that with all the innings Santana has logged he would probably end up on the DL.

        Who is on the DL?

  • Chris

    kennedy for fuentes? eh i dont do it. give kennedy a break teams go through these types of growing pains with their pitchers in just about every market. NY is no diffrent you need patience. I think pettite was actually a lil garbage his frst year till the playoffs.

    • mustang

      Andy Pettitte was 12-9 in 1995.
      IPK is not even close.
      That being said Kennedy for Fuentes I don’t do that.

      • Chris

        Ok I was just talking out of my ass there. But yea bad deal

  • A.D.

    Seems a bit unnecessary given other future needs, the pen has done a solid job, and lefties in late innings don’t seem to be the reason we’re loosing games, though Fuentes is more than a lefty specialist.

    Flip-side Fuentes is a free agent after this year, and one would assume he’d be a type A, so if you can trade 1 Minor league SP for 2 1st round draft picks, that’s not the worst plan

    • Chris

      i can just picture fuentes gettin bombed by ortiz in a big spot at the stadium…. I certainly dont do it for kennedy.

  • nick blasioli

    why dont they get off their asses and do something instead of just talking about it..now is the time people…

    • steve (different one)

      actually, no it isn’t.

      it’s june 1st and the trade deadline is 2 months away.

      when do big trades ever happen on june 1st?

      • A.D.

        I believe some of the worst trades are ones for bullpen pitching earlier than the deadline

      • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

        I actually think the deadline should be pushed back to mid-August – with the WC, many more teams are still in contention in July than years past.

        There needs to be an adjustment, IMO.

  • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

    You think we could get Marte for Melky?

    • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

      or maybe Matt capps

      • Jon W.

        Yawn…at least make a reasonable proposal. Your starting CF for a middle reliever? You’ve got to be kidding.

        • Glen L

          Besides (at least at the moment) the pirates still have J Bay, Nady, and McClouth with Morgan and Pierce in the minors

          Of course Pierce isn’t a very good outfielder and its likely at least one of, more likely both of, Bay and Nady will be traded before the deadline

          with that said its not equal value to trade Melky for Marte straight up

          Plus the Yanks still have kids to bring up that might be great in the bullpen

    • mustang

      Then who plays center?
      I wouldn’t do that, but I love to get Damaso Marte.

      • mustang

        Marte’s numbres even this year with ERA going up, damn, and he is a lefty.

      • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

        hmmm how about a platoon of Damon and Ajax or Gardner. it could work but i undersastand its shaky. unless the yanx add to the package with some prospects and get mcclouth in the deal… im dreaming now

        • steve (different one)

          how do you platoon 2 players who are both lefty?

          Jackson is no where even close to ready.

          • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

            good call. i didnt think about the lefty issue. If he keeps plaiting 7 runs a pop he will be ready in no time

    • E-ROC

      Who would start in CF?

      • A.D.

        Gardner

        • mustang

          That’s a big risk do you remember what Melky look like when he first came up.
          I do want Gardner up some speed of the bench and maybe a defensive replacement in the late innings. A spark plug when someone goes in a slump.

          • A.D.

            Melky was 20 or 21 when he came up and was rushed from AA, Gardner is 24 going on 25, played in college, started games in spring training & has made his way through the system, so he’d have much more polish than when Melky first came up.

            That said I’m not saying it should be done, just pointing out that it’s not quite the risk you painted, I think Gardner could come up and perform as a CF in MLB no problem, would adjust to be the same offensive tool, we would see, so far everytime he’s been promoted he’s started slow, and been able to adjust to his normal performance.

            • mustang

              Good points.

  • Chris

    Why do people feel that the bullpen is an issue? We currently have the 2 relievers with the lowest ERAs in the AL (other than guys who’ve thrown less than 2 innings) in Edwar and Mo.

    The Yankees are currently 7th in the AL in bullpen ERA, and have thrown 20 innings more than any team with a better ERA – which means one extra relievers work. Most of the bullpens ahead of them look better because they can have their best relievers pitch a higher percentage of innings.

    Looking forward, you have Albaladejo and Bruney on the DL, and possibly coming back later this year. You have Cox and Melancon in the minors. If only two of them get back/are called up, you have this bullpen:

    Mo
    Edwar
    Ohlendorf
    Albaladejo
    Melancon
    Veras
    Farnsworth

    That’s a pretty darn good bullpen, and not worth giving up anything that might have value in order to improve. There are far larger areas of concern (like everything else) than finding a lefty reliever.

    • mustang

      How comfortable do you feel when Farnsworth pitches the 8th?
      And yes there are other areas of concern, but if they can get a lefty reliever of Marte quality and not give up the farm why not do it.

    • Geno

      Don’t forget about Robertson.

  • question mark

    I see we’ve got the smart crew working the comments section today. Our starting CF for a middle reliever? just brilliant, folks.

    middle relievers are the most combustible quality in baseball. tell me how we can be sure Fuentes doesn’t crap the bed upon being traded. just say no to Fuentes, or any other reliever, via trade. i’d rather live and and die with who we’ve got now.

    • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

      Very true that middle relievers is like a roll of the dice but to be quite honest Melky is just a really good 4th outfielder with a great arm but is by no stretch of the imagination the answer to the Yankees cf in the future. If your going to let a great 1st month of the season change your outlook on the guy then fine…but I dont see it. But maybe your right and he turns out being a solid player. And maybe you could get allot more in return.?

      • Old Ranger

        Let’s be real here, Melky is just a real good 4th outfielder? What have you been doing the past two years?
        We have no one better (even though I like Brett) to put out there, and trust! Call up Brett to take his place would be great, he has some things going for him the Melky doesn’t, but as a all around player I think Melky is the better of the two, for now. Just the big league experience he has, counts in his favor, otherwise I would gladly see Brett up here right now. 27/08?

        • Bo

          Melky is also younger than Gardner. Keep that in mind. While Garnder is hitting 300 in the minor leagues with no homers, Melky is playing major league baseball.

  • mike

    This is all silly talk – the Pirates never trade ANYONE, and if they do it will be Jason Bay ( who wouldnt look shabby in the Stadium ) for a truck-load of talent.

    However, would the Pirates do a Marte + Bay for Melky, IPK, Ollie and a few other pieces?

    I would put Damon in center and move Bay between Left and DH ( he might have some 1B in his past )

    Do not mind having a righty with some pop, I think he is signed for next year as well..

    Im sure the Pirates would like more, and I certainly do not have an iunderstanding of their farm system, but it appears they need some major-league ready young, cheap talent with upside – and the Yanks have a bunch of that

    • mustang

      Jason Bay-11/17/05: Signed four-year, $18.25 million contract. 2007: $3.25 million, 2008: $5.75 million, 2009: $7.5 million, and 2010: Free Agent.

      I don’t know sounds like the Yanks would be giving up too much.

      • Bo

        They wouldn’t give up Melky and IPK for Santana. Now they are going to give them up for Bay?

  • Glen L

    Damon can never be an everyday CF again … his arm is just WAY WAY too terrible

    When they were playing the O’s last week, Adam Jones tagged up from first on a fly ball the center … made it by a MILE because Damon’s throw was off-target and bounced twice before reached Cano 10 feet in front (and to the right) of second base

    Any plan that leaves Damon as the everyday CF won’t cut it for this year … and I don’t want to hear about Gardner, he has a zero percent chance of being average in CF this year (probably any year, really)

  • http://knickerbockerchatter.blogspot.com Bruno

    If the Padres keep sucking, think we could pull-off Britton & AA pitcher for Hoffman? For SD Bell would become the closer and Britton would be a nice young replacement in the ‘pen. For Yanks, Hoffman would be the PERFECT 8th inn guy. Would same package get Fuentes?

    • Bo

      Hoffman would be the perfect 8th inning guy? What makes you say that? His blown saves and 5.68 ERA?? 12 runs in 19 innings in the national league is a joke.

    • steve (different one)

      i am going to go out on a limb and say that Trevor Hoffman is *not* going to agree to be traded across the country to set up for Mariano Rivera.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Just a hunch there, right? :)

      • http://knickerbockerchatter.blogspot.com Bruno

        To go from a team at the BOTTOM of the standings, to a team trying to win the World Series? That might be motivation, especially at the end of his career.

        • A.D.

          Wouldn’t happen, Hoffman is having a terrible year, doubtful Hoffman would agree, and last time I checked the Yanks 5.5 out of the playoffs, so not exactly a lock

  • Bo

    How they don’t have a lefty in the pen I don’t know.

    This really is an incomplete team. Bench is terrible, no 8th inning guy, no lefty, no speed on bench,

    Cashman really needs to get his act together

    • A.D.

      A lefty in the pen doesn’t matter if the pen is effective, its a modern fallacy, if we brought up Traber for somone the pen would be worse off but we would have a lefty

  • billyball

    Enough with adding a lefty relief pitcher for the sake of having one. This forum has been ridiculous today. One guy wants to trade a young unproven but talented pitcher in Ian Kennedy for a lefty middle reliever. Are u kidding me? Most of us didn’t want Kennedy in the Santana deal and now your giving up on him. He has 4 quality pitches and will be at worse a number 4 starter which is more valuable than a lefty middle relief pitcher for 1 season. Are u serious? Than someone wants to trade Melky for a relief pitcher! Our starting CF. Folks, lets be reasonable here. We can live with this bullpen until Cox and Melancon are ready. We need to improve our bench immediately! That is a concern! I am willing to deal Melky in the right deal. Maybe to get a pitcher back like a Rich Harden if he proves he is healthy. He can be a legitimate ace. But to trade Melky for a lefty specialist out of the pen is absurd to say the least. Kennedy and another non prospect player for a C.C as long as we resign C.C. Those are the types of deals I would do and I would make sure I didn’t trade away the farm for 1 season. We have Gardner who I personally think is more than capable of replacing Melky. But lets get good value back. Some may think Harden is too risky and I would agree. If we can prove he is healthy and he clears the medical than it may be worth the risk especially with Gardner waiting whom will add another dimension sorely needed which is speed and range in the OF.

  • billyball

    By the way Jason Bay is not worth Ian Kennedy and Melky, no way no how. Jason Bay is an over rated player on a team with no stars.

  • JeterMack Clutch

    JBay’s career OPS+ is >= teixeira’s. don’t insult Jason

  • Joltin’ Joe

    I thought it was funny how Michael Kay really pushed for Melancon’s call-up during the May 31st Joe Girardi Show. They even showed his NYY photo and stats at SWB.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Considering that Melancon’s still pitching at AA, there’s no way Kay showed his SWB stats. :)