A meaningless hour away, Washburn talks still alive

Britton gets the call to replace Farns
Manny, Joe Torre and the City of Angels together at last

Via ESPN:

Many baseball officials think the trade deadline is irrelevant in the talks between the Yankees and Mariners regarding Jarrod Washburn. Since Washburn is owed $10.35 million next season, most officials think he will easily pass through waivers after today’s 4 p.m. ET nonwaiver deadline.

Of course, after the deadline, another team could swoop in and claim Washburn, thereby blocking the Yankees and the Mariners from making a deal. Most analysts don’t see that happening.

Personally, if the Yanks have to acquire Washburn, I’d rather see the teams consummate this trade today before Sidney Ponson gets the ball again. As these talks drag on, I have to wonder if Seattle is close to overplaying its hand here. With each day, Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes or Carl Pavano (HA!) near a return to the Bronx, and the Yanks’ need for Washburn lessens. Now would be a good time for the Mariners to pull the trigger if they want to accomplish anything more than a salary dump.

Update by Joe: No need to create a whole new post for this, but the Rays just got a ton better, acquiring Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. No go. It appears to be bunk.

Britton gets the call to replace Farns
Manny, Joe Torre and the City of Angels together at last
  • E-ROC

    Hopefully, it is Ponson that gets taken out of the rotation before Rasner. What if AJ Burnett is placed on waivers; do you think the Yanks would claim him?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      If Burnett is placed on waivers, yes, the Yanks would claim him, and Toronto would pull him back.

      We’re not getting anything of substance, irrespective of how large the future financial obligation is, from J.P. “I hate Adam Dunn” Riccardi.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Yankees better get some better pitching because the Rays just acquired Jason Bay from Pittsburgh for Reid Breignac and Jeff Niemann.

    http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/rays_to_acquire_bay.html

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Wow… looks like the Pirates are going all in on Jose Tabata, huh?

      Now, the Pirates can hand the SS spot to Brignac and flip Jack Wilson to the Dodgers for something (Withrow? McDonald?)…

      • Ivan

        Plus don’t forget Jeff Niemann. He’s the type of arm that can be a front-line guy or mid-rotation starter, Brignac can a all-star SS, and if Tabata develops with Andrew McCutchen, that team has the making of being good. Also if would be a big help if Brad Lincoln could comeback from full strength and develop into a front-line guy.

    • TurnTwo

      good deal for the Rays.

  • Ivan

    Great trade by the Rays. Offense from the right side especially will improve and can maybe put them over the top. It also means that Manny is gonna be a redsox which isn’t really a surprise at least to me.

    As for the yankees, well it just gets tougher. Persoanlly, I rather use guys like Hughes or Kennedy rather bring in Washburn, Louse and etc unless you gonna bring a bigtime pitcher (Bedard or Burnett)

    Man this have been one of the better trade deadlines that I can think of in a while.

    • Thurman

      Can’t do Bedard. DL

      • Ivan

        I know that, just a pitcher of that caliber.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Shouldn’t do him in any event.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Yes you can, the M’s would just have to take him off the DL, place him on the active roster (as a formality) and deal him.

        • Thurman

          Hmm, thanks for the clarification. didn’t know that.
          Still, he is unhealthy and according to Seattle not on the block anyways.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

    Washburn’s last start was Sunday. If we wrap this up this hour, he’s lined up to go tomorrow in Ponson’s place…

  • pat

    personally i hope the manny situation festers and destroys their clubhouse

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      I hope they’re dumb enough to trade him for Jason Bay. Bay’s good, but he ain’t Manny Ramirez.

      They day they trade him is the day I stop worrying about them. They’ll be a nonfactor if he’s shipped out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        This year, he actually is Manny Ramirez. Their starts are very, very similar.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          “*stats”

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Jay Ray Bay’s June and July:
          .268/.336/.495 (OPS+ 120)
          .277/.336/.485 (OPS+ 114)

          ManRam’s June and July:
          .286/.394/.536 (OPS+ 147)
          .347/.473/.587 (OPS+ 180)

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

            Fine, for the whole season they have been very, very similar.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              True. But Bay’s been consistent and even across the season. Manny’s numbers are dragged down by a super slump in May where he didn’t hit jack. Meybe you can attribute that slump to injury, lack of interest/Manny being Manny, lack of lineup protection (when Papi was hurt/sucked), or a harbinger of the gradual downward slope of his career, but the fact remains that his May seems like a statistical outlier of some sort, and outside of that, Bay has been “good” while Manny has absolutely RAKED, just like he always does. You can argue that Manny will cool off and Bay will, and you’d have an argument, but the stats probably say there’s a damn good chance that Manny remains a better hitter over the duration of ’08. A MUCH better hitter.

              Now, if you want to say that the Sox are worried that Manny’s gonna pull a Kobe Bryant and intentionally shoot his own team in the foot at the worst possible moment to prove his point, and the Sox are trying to get something valuable for him in Bay, something that they can use for the next 4-6 years, before the dynamite stick blows up in their face, I can see that logic.

              But don’t try to spin it as if JayRayBay is on Manny’s level. He’s not. Not now, not the past few years, probably not the next few years.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                You make a good point, hadn’t realized his month-to-month splits fluctuated as such (Manny’s). To answer your question, no, I don’t think Manny will drag Boston down because of two reasons. One being that I find that nearly impossible unless you are a pitcher and two, that chemistry shit is way overblown, especially in baseball.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  Normally I agree with your sentiment that clubhouse chemistry is overblown, but…

                  … if there’s any single player insane enough to do crap like take leisurely 6 second stroll to first after a hit, or intentionally misplay a ball, or take a three-strike looking K in a huge ninth inning situation, all in the hopes of creating losses for his own team in an effort to force them to release him so he can hit the market…

                  …if there’s ANY player absolutely batshit crazy enough to try and cause his team to lose games by deciding not to play just because he doesn’t want to be in that town anymore…

                  …it’s Manny Ramirez. He’s one of the 15 greatest players we’ve ever seen in our lifetimes, but he’s a friggin nutjob.

              • dbroncos31

                DEFENSE

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                  Jason Bay’s Zone Rating is .806. Manny Ramirez’s Zone Rating is .744 (in Fenway Park for Christ’s sake).

                • Ivan

                  .744 is just plain awful.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  True, but Bay isn’t exactly Roberto Clemente in his prime out there in left.

    • Thurman

      Varitek had a quote the other day along the lines of “This happens every year…I wish we could all step past this and focus on baseball”
      I think things are already a bit testy.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        I believe Varitek followed that quote up by saying, “I totally suck balls. I’m a poor excuse for an everyday player, and I’m about to get benched for a guy who’ll be in IndyBall in a couple of years, and I may end up joining Barry Bonds as the only guys to play in an All Star Game a few months before being forced into an early retirement because nobody will sign me when I hit the market.”

        I may be paraphrasing, though.

        • Thurman

          Nope, I think you got the gist of it. It was hard to hear him though because he was being a pussy and wouldn’t take his mask off.

        • Casper

          “…forced into an early retirement because nobody will sign me when I hit the market.”

          Dude you know Ned Colletti is just chomping at the bit to sign Tek.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            Good point.

            Tek behind the plate for 4Yr/50M, re-up Casey Blake at third, Andruw Jones stays at CF, move Juan Pierre to first, and demote James Loney. He and LaRoche can have fun hitting .370 at Las Vegas for the next three years…

            Would he have any room in the budget to kick 22M/3Yr at Kyle Farnsworth?

            • Casper

              And hey… SOMEONE’S gotta teach Martin how to catch him some no-hitters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Jason Bay deal may not be fully cooked as of yet. Ken Rosenthal reports that the Buccos are looking to replace Jeff Niemann with another pitching prospect while adding more prospects into their booty.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB

    • Ivan

      Well they probably want Davis for Niemann. maybe an extra prospect hellickson but I doubt the rays would sweeten the pot more.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Keith Law says the Rays are treating Hellickson in basically the same light as David Price, in other words, “Fuck off!”.

        • Ivan

          Interesting.

  • jsbrendog

    Carl Pavano (HA!) near a return to the Bronx

    you think he goes to sites like this and reads what everyone says about him and cries? i kinda hope so

  • TheLastClown

    Ok, so its 4:00 EST…..does this mean no more moves on the Yanks part?

  • Ivan

    Whats up with Seattle? They screwed up the Washburn deal and it seem they overplayed their hand with Ibanez and screw that deal up.

    • jsbrendog

      interim gm there really knows hwo to make an impression on management

    • dbroncos31

      Ibanez will be Type A and is about 95% likely to decline arb.

      Why would we trade him for less value than a first and a supp pick? We could afford to demand a lot for him.

      Washburn we will put on waivers and you or the Cardinals or the Rcokies will take him, freeing up salary. Am I thrilled? Nope, but we got very good value for Rhodes and didn’t trade Raul for less values than the picks.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Good point. Although Ibanez is having a worst 2008 than his 2006, it should not be enough of a drop off to lose his Type-A designation.

      • Ivan

        I don’t see anybody taking that contract off the hands of seattle except the yankees. As for Ibanez, well maybe it would be smart to get a draft pick.

  • nick blasioli

    its a shame the yankees got to the finish line and stopped..everyone knows they needed a front line starting pitcher…i watched for three hours and nothing happened…its a shame…ponson sucks and if he pitches against the angels, dont even watch the slaughter….

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      What the fuck? Will you not be satisfied unless the Yankees have a video game team? It’s not like they can use mind control powers to make teams trade them players.

      Plus, name me one frontline starting pitcher available. And don’t say Washburn, because he’s not.

      • Casper

        Um… That was awesome. Terrifying and hysterical and awesome.

      • jsbrendog

        favorite comment ever. and some would disagree they can use mind control powers to get what they got for what they gave up

      • Thurman

        Overall I am pretty pleased with the work Cash did. The jury is still out on the Nady deal, and will be for a few years, but the Pudge deal was terrific, and the fact that the Yankees go something with a pulse and opposable thumbs for Latroy is a steal in itself. Most importantly, the Yankees did something as opposed to falling behind while contenders like LAA and TB were making moves. We didn’t get Tex or Bay, but all in all it was a pretty good showing.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        “Plus, name me one frontline starting pitcher available.”

        Roger Clemens.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Rays seem to be deeming one of Reid Brignac or Jeff Niemann “untouchable”. My bet would be on Brignac because they have no one else ready in their upper Minor League levels to replace Jason Bartlett (and his disgusting 60-OPS+).

    http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/bay_appears_headed_south.html

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      But Brignac is expendable, because Bartlett is really gritty and gutty.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Plus Brignac’s crazy over-rated. I could put up an .800 OPS in the Cal League. Come talk to me when he hits somewhere else.

  • Pete Law

    So I think the Bay to the Rays deal is killed as is the Manny to anyone not Boston deal too.

    According to PeteAbe we traded Alberto Gonzalez for Jhonny Nunez a minor league reliever from the Nats. I know not all deals are blockbusters but this is dissapointing on a whole nother level.

    I thought Alberto could be a starting SS on a weaker team like Washington, but was he only worth giving up for a minor leage reliever. I say this is a loss for us unless Nunez turns out to be a quality MLB reliever.

    • Thurman

      SI.com has Manny to the Dodgers…
      Doesnt say for who

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Meh, I don’t think losing Alberto is any great loss… he’s never going to hit north of .260.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Do you have any read on Nunez’s stuff, or anything of that sort? If not, how can you deem this deal “disappointing”?

  • Thurman

    SI.com has manny to the Dodgers

    • Thurman

      oops, sorry for the duplicate, I got excited

      • Realist

        Manny to the Dodgers???? Wow, who knew?

        I felt Gonzo coulda been the predecessor to Jeter at SS???????? He had a great glove and hit fairly well at his young age. If nothing else, I always feel that a good team is solid up the middle defensive wise…Catcher, SS, CF…..his glove gave NY that at SS.

        I know little about the pitcher in return but lets hope he is MLB bound soon and effective..

  • Josh K

    Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.

    Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

    The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      We already have it on site here.

      Also, if you’re going to copy and paste from other blog posts on the Internet, please make sure to include a link.