Jul
27

Sunday Rumblings: A rumor out of Kansas City or just speculation? Plus, a Washburn update

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Bob Dutton of The Kansas City Star writes about the Yanks’ supposed interest in Brian Bannister. He believes that the Yanks could swap Melky Cabrera for Bannister. This would be a trade of two below-average players making no money and wouldn’t serve to make either team better. Brian Bannister, in fact, is probably not an upgrade over Darrell Rasner. If this story contains more than just idle musings, I’d be surprised.

Update on Jarrod Washburn (1:15 p.m.): The game is underway in Toronto, and Jarrod Washburn is on the mound for the Mariners. It seems as though trade talks aren’t as close to completion as has been reported. If Washburn were anywhere close to being dealt, he wouldn’t be pitching today.

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  • Mike R.

    Seems like a message to Seattle in my opinion. “There are other options if you keep overplaying your hand on Washburn.”

    • mustang

      Agree,

  • Lanny

    Melky is our starting CF right now. And what he doesn’t give you with the bat he gives you with defense. And the way the pitching is going why mess with that? Especially for a 5th starter.

    • doty

      ian kennedy can easily do the job bannistar is doing

      • mustang

        Yeah Ok. Do you want me to play the video from the first month of the season.

        • radnom

          Yeah because that it how he is going to pitch in the majors for all time, good argument.

          If the first month in the majors was any indication of a player’s ceiling, Shelley would be tearing it up at first right now. Oh, but wait, you were probably one of those people whining about him just not getting a “fair chance” at the beginning of the season weren’t you?

          • mustang

            Yes I did think he got a “fair chance” at the beginning of the season and another after that. And he might not be like that in the majors for all time or he might no one knows. However, don’t you think if the Yankees though that he could help he be up here already.
            I have no problem if IPK keeps pitching well and the back end of the rotation struggles for him to come up. Still after a few good starts in AAA it’s hard to say that IPK can easily do the job over someone who has won 19 MLB games in the last 2 years.
            Lets try and keep thing in there proper prospective.

            • radnom

              19 games combined in the last two years does not impress me, especially considering that wins are a terrible measure of a pitcher’s ability. What Lanny and Doty were saying is, why bring in Bannister when we have Rasner, Ponson, Kennedy, Aceves etc who yes, all probably have the same chance of succeeding as Banister. Sure, Banister could have a revelation, but its not worth what we would have to give up (anything) to get him.

              • mustang

                I understand what your saying and I agree they don’t need to make this trade. But was commenting on this:

                “ian kennedy can easily do the job bannistar is doing”

                The facts don’t back this up right now that’s all.

      • mustang

        Wow. A few good starts in AAA and the guy “can easily do the job” over a 7 game winner this year and a 12 game winner last year.
        I would not do this trade, but no.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    You know, Bannister may be pitching like crap now, but if he got on a little roll and strung 9 or 10 good starts together, even next year, he’d have a ton of trade value. Atlanta’s been talking about acquiring a young, cost controlled arm all season, and Banny would fit that bill. You never know.

    • RustyJohn

      That’s the oddest comment I have ever heard- it essentially boils down to, “He sucks right now, but he might un-suck.” That could be applied to just about every option the team has for 4th or 5th starters.

      • A.D.

        Well he has pitched very well at times, like the beginning of the season

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Heh, this is true. Didn’t think about it like that.

  • doty

    this makes absolutely no sense at all. melky is an average hitting centerfield with an above average defensive skills. with nady in the lineup we have 7 quality hitters. we do not need 9 all stars at every position. we can afford to live with melky, he is an underrated defensive centerfield with a tremendous arm

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I don’t like this trade at all, but I have to dispute your assertion that Melky is “an average hitting centerfielder.” He is in fact the second-worse hitting starting center fielder in the AL.

      • zs190

        It is however amusing to see Jacoby Ellsbury put out about the same numbers as Melky except some extra stolen bases, I wonder if their fans complain about him as much as we do with Melky.

        • radnom

          If by complain about him you mean every female in the city wants to marry him, then yes.

          It did take a few years for most of us to sour on Melky, and Elsbury bought some huge credit with the WS run last year…I do feel, however, that most Boston fans are going to end up being disappointed in what he ends up being.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

        Interesting to see that the only ones younger than Melky are Carlos Gomez by a year and a half , Adam Jones by less than a year and BJ Upton by 2 weeks.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Bossman Junior is younger than Melky? Holy crap moly.

      • mustang

        Wow.. Mekly is really that bad I didn’t know that good Stat.
        I would not makes this trade.

  • http://RiverAve.Blues Joseph M

    The article is a bunch of hot wind. Look at the first few words “Should the Royals…”, with that kind of wording the writer can go off in any direction he wants. Forget Melky, he could have substituted the name Rivera. He throws Cano in the mix later in the article with another “trade” discussion. He also has Seattle turning down a trade for Melky wanting instead Brett Gardner! The Yankees are suppose to trade their starting centerfielder for a fifth starter with a 4-9 record?

    It’s all nonsense.

  • Babe’s Ghost

    Um… no deal.
    Melky can be traded as part of a package for a player we actually like.
    As it stands I think we will be able to hang on until we get Wang back.
    I would put IPK in for a spin before Bannister anyway. And Hughes is in rehab. How many turns through the rotation before he can rejoin us? Three?

    quote of the day from Mike Vaccaro

    Pettite “is accomplished enough that once the Yankees got him the lead, he would sooner have thrown the Sox his wallet than anything they could hit.”

  • RustyJohn

    By the way, with all these rumors involving trading Melky, since Damon already had a noodle arm before he went on the DL and apparently can’t throw right now, who exactly is going to play centerfield? Don’t tell me the offensive threat that is Gardner. Any trade involving getting rid of a player for whom the team has no replacement should be categorically dismissed.

  • Steve S

    No way. They also mentioned a rumored Cano/Melky for Grienke deal. I would say its a reality if Gardner had shown he can take over center. But if they traded melky right now, Damon would have to be the centerfielder and I would hope Cashman has closed the book on that.

    • radnom

      I would say the sticking point here would have a hell or a lot more to do with Robinson Cano than Brett Gardner.

      Why do you all assume he is so expendable after one bad first half?

  • http://Thumb? Mike T

    Seems like Melky is most frustrating when Godzilla and Hip-Hip are out of the lineup. I wouldn’t give up his D right now on this roll. He saved Joba on Friday with a diving catch and I realized his value then. Of course I waited to see that play on ‘web gems’ but since it was against the sux it didn’t make the cut. I’m kinda hoping they don’t do another sp trade since IPK is doing so well in AAA. BTW: after 40 years of following the Yankees I FINALLY can follow the minor leagues thanks to RAB. MAHALO to everyone at RAB who keeps this fan up to date even though I’m 5,000 miles away!

  • Jake H

    No way KC does this. They have Gathwright and DeJesus who can play center and are better right now then Melky.

    • Ivan

      Is Gathright really better than Melky? I disagree with that. At least Melky has power, has the better arm and has better range and he’s younger.

      Now Dejesus on the other hand, yeah he is much better than Melky.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        They want to move David DeJesus to LF, according to some reports.

      • r.w.g.

        Plus he’s a Rutgers product. New Brunswick all day.

        • MD

          from someone who works for RU, I second this….and go RU FB

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    “Sources indicate they may be shopping Andy LaRoche to further bolster the infield or bullpen.”

    That from a LA Times article on the Casey Blake deal. Could two players (or possibly three) from a list of Wilson Betemit, Alberto Gonzalez, Cody Ransom, and any reliever in the Yankee organization sans Mariano Rivera, Mark Melancon, and Humberto Sanchez get it done?

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....6479.story

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      …And if it were to take three players then the Dodgers could only select one Major League reliever, or “Bullpener” (courtesy of Joe Buck).

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Why don’t they just, I dunno, PLAY HIM! You never now, he might actually rake like his track record suggests.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Don’t encourage them.

        Seriously, I would drool over this deal. LaRoche would probably be the 2009 Opening Day First Basemen, Richie Sexson would probably be DFA’d to make room for LaRoche on the current 25-man roster, and we add another everyday RHB with power.

        Ca$hmoney, make it happen!

        • Ivan

          Talk about a player being jerked around as a top prospect. The guy can play 3B and maybe 1B and in the future can be All-Star player and a OBP manchine. But don’t tell the Dodgers that.

      • Steve

        Torre doesn’t want to be bothered with rookies at this point of his career.

        He might have to . . . . I dunno . . . . COACH them or something.

    • Ivan

      Then if they want bullpen help then why don’t they put Andy LaRoche at #B and give Jon Meloan who they traded for Blake to be the bullpen arm they are looking for.

    • zs190

      Kyle Farnsworth, Cody Ransom, and something for LaRoche maybe? Just dreaming =p

      • A.D.

        would have to include AG i imagine, as they’re looking for a SS

  • Realist

    LOL, trade rumors galore!!!!!!!!!!!

    The one I like best is Benji Mo and Winn………provided the cost is low and decent starting pitcher could be had in a later deal…..possibly including Melky? Btw, when did he become a gold glove centerfielder, as some of you seem to think he is? Also, where is this “power” he supposedly has? I must be watching a different player???????????

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Getting bad jumps and making up for it with diving catches + strong, but over-rated arm = Gold Glover.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Also, Melky has ranked in the top 3 (now fourth) in Zone Rating amongst A.L. CF basically all season.

        • A.D.

          Yeah but he’s dead last, or near dead last in range factor

      • Realist

        Lol, exactly! He is good not great and has a fine arm……….more of a right or left fielder with no power…or base stealing capabilities.

        • Realist

          Zone rating???????????

          I have been watching Baseball for over 30 years and I know someone who can or can’t field their position or are overrated or not, all without the never ending nonsensical stats thathave nothing to do with individual ability.

          The game is played on a field not a computer or a stat sheet :-)

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

            And “a computer or stat sheet” just relays what you see on the field in more sensible terms other than gamer, heart, or grit.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              And besides, Melk’s GRT quotient is like -1.2.

              • A.D.

                If only someone would come out with a grit scale

            • Realist

              Your a bright young man, I’ll give you that!

              If a player doesn’t field a ball that another player can, whom is the better defender? That’s a stat your programs can’t and won’t show ;-)

              • A.D.

                actually, that would be range factor, and melk isn’t high in that

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

        Kind of like Jim Edmonds.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Eh, not so sure about that, Jimmy was a legit Gold Glover. Have you ever seen him in person? It’s crazy, he plays such a shallow CF that he looks like a 5th infielder. I can’t imagine how many dinky little bloop singles he’s taken away over the years.

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

            But he made sure that he dove for every single one of them. I thought diving only makes you slower?

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

              It does, but it gives you a better reach. Sliding into first base makes no sense because all you have to do is make contact with the bag, running towards the bag at full speed is quicker than loading up and diving towards the bag. If diving was faster than running, don’t you think you would see track stars dive? Have you ever seen a track star dive?

              • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

                I was just kidding Jamal.

                Psst. Google Christian Smith.

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

                  + track and field 800 meters

          • Ivan

            Plus, he made of the most unbelieveble plays ever when he played with the Angels with the diving over the head basket catch in KC.

    • radnom

      hey if Bernie and Jeter won a gold gloves…I guess you could say Melky is a “gold glover” type

  • Jake H

    Will Washburn be a type B free agent?

    • zs190

      Washburn is signed for next season, whether he’s type B or A or nothing will be heavily influenced by next season’s stats, no? He’s not a free agent after this year.

      • A.D.

        its 2 years stats, so this year and next year will matter for status, and he currently is not a type B

  • zs190

    I’m thinking they want to see Washburn for one more start and give Sidney Ponson another look to see if they need to upgrade. I think Washburn deal probably will happen tomorrow if Ponson implodes tonight and Washburn pitches well today(so far so good, 3 IP, 55 pitches, though 2 walks and no K’s). What do you guys think?

    • christopher

      it will happen right before the deadline when the mariners realize that they really really want to get rid of his salary

  • mike pop

    we will never deal cano guys !!!! thats a good thing u dont want to deal him// plus we wont get laroche///id give em betemit and phil coke for laroche tho =]

  • http://gotmelky? godfather

    leave well enough alone and don’t dispense of melky, whose numbers aren’t indicative of his value to nyy…it’s not like joe or mickey or bernie are waiting in line, or that bannister is more than just bannister

  • Manimal

    Anyone else notice patterns in the way pitchers approach Brett Gardner. Hook inside, Fastball outside and another hook outside. Might just be me.

  • christopher

    for a player who gets continually bashed, its interesting that he is also incredibly overated – he is a corner outfielder playing center – yes, he has an arm, but alot of those wonderful diving catches are easy outs for a good defensive centerfielder who has range something melky doesnt have. so many people talk about him as he is the lynchpin of this team

    • steve (different one)

      so many people talk about him as he is the lynchpin of this team

      really? i’ve never heard this ever.

  • Adrian-Retire21

    Yankees regardless will get a starter.Ponson luck after giving up a hit and walk nearly every inning isn’t gonna last.

    Wonder if the Bannister rumors are real?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    “If the Pirates could have traded Nady and Marte straight up for Jose Tabata last winter, Huntington said, ‘We would have done it in a heartbeat.’”

    Huh.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-late.html

    • A.D.

      If the deal was suppose to be Coke & Contos and one failed the physical, then why would both be replaced?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Coke’s not hurt, we was just promoted to Scranton to fill one of the vacated roster spots. He will have his innings limited though, he’s getting up there.

        McCutchen’s getting roughed up in his first outing with Indianapolis, but he gets a mulligan. Drove 10 hours to Indy yesterday for a 2pm start today.

        http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_indaaa_1

    • steve (different one)

      sure, but Tabata’s stock has plummeted and Nady’s has skyrocketed.

      those are simply the facts.

      if nothing else, this season pushed back Tabata’s timeframe of when he could help the big team by at least another year. this year was a total loss for him.

      that makes him much less valuable to a team like the yankees.

      • A.D.

        Makes it look like the GM made a real good deal, which he didn’t

  • Frank

    I posted this on another site but… Is it possible the Yanks are really targeting Bedard and are willing to accept Vidro’s contract to make it happen? Especially with Washburn on the mound today. Wouldn’t the trade of Melky (I’m against it) now make a little more sense? Just thinking out loud.

    • A.D.

      Isn’t Bedard hurt right now?

      • zs190

        He’s actually alright now, on rehab and probably will be back in another week or two. He just didn’t recover fast enough to make a start before deadline, but he’ll be back shortly after. There is no reason to trade him right now honestly, they’ll probably get a new GM in the offseason and they’ll take him to winter meeting and deal him there if there is a deal out there.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Bedard’s hurt. And it would take a whole lot more than Melky to get him.

      • Frank

        Agree… but Melky, a pitching prospect and Vidro’s contract along with Seattle’s not being elated with Bedard, could make it happen… No?

        • zs190

          Only if that pitching prospect is named Phil Hughes, I imagine, I can’t even see them do that deal for Ian Kennedy.

          • Frank

            Maybe, I’m not so sure they wouldn’t grab IPK in that trade scenario. You wouldn’t trade Hughes for Bedard? Hughes injury history scares the HECK out of me!

            • A.D.

              He’s never hurt his arm, which is what really matters. What about Bedard’s injury history?? He gets hurt every year

            • zs190

              I wouldn’t do it, he has one year left on that contract, Hughes has 5+. I think Hughes has a lot more value.

          • emac2

            “Erik Bedard, who has been sidelined since July 4 because of tightness in his pitching shoulder, “is a guy who just didn’t fit here,” according to the Mariners official.”

            Given his history, health, salary and what he has shown this year I don’t think this is as valuable a player as you think. He might be health for the last month of the year and how many teams are going to pay a ton of money and prospects for someone who might be good next year?

            This strikes me as the typical high risk/reward type player that fits the yanks better than anyone else.

            BTW – The fact that the M’s overpaid when he was at peak value doesn’t mean they wont dump him for much less gievn what is going on over there with the clubhouse. He was viewed as an ace when aquired and now he is viewed as an injury prone malcontent.

        • A.D.

          They just gave up a left handed set-up guy turned all star closer, their best prospect, and 4 other guys.

          They may not be thrilled, but they’ll look for a lot more than the Yanks probably want to offer

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Maybe, but I doubt it. They could still get a nice haul for him. I don’t think they’re THAT desperate to rid themselves of Vidro’s contract.

  • emac2

    Maybe we have backed off Washburn and are focusing on Bedard instead.

    Bedard, Washburn, Vidro and Reed

    For

    Gardner, Milk, Rasner, Marquez, Cox and Igawa?

    • zs190

      Yeah, that deals works….for us only. There is no way Seattle can possibly take a package like that for Bedard.

      • emac2

        If they want better players they would have to keep Vidro and or Washburn. I would be willing to add another good A ball prospect or two though.

        • zs190

          Why do they have to get rid of those contracts? There is no salary cap and they have plenty of money. There is no reason to take less for a good player just to get rid of some bad contracts. I think it’s a lot more likely they dump Vidro with Ibanez to the Mets and keep Washburn for next year’s rotation than them taking a bunch of scrap heap guys with a couple decent A level prospects for Bedard and Vidro/Washburn.

          • emac2

            The M’s are dealing with a lot of clubhouse issues and also want to create some room in their budget. Bedard will be there next year at the most and they realize they will not compete next year so he will be traded. The question is what they get in return. That isn’t based on what they paid it is based on the value of an expensive pitcher who is as likely to be an ace for one year as he is to pull a Pavano.

            I think our disagreement is that you consider Vidro and Washburn to be worth some compensation from the Yanks and I consider them to be a price the yanks are paying to get bedard.

            • zs190

              I think Vidro is worthless, Washburn has some value if they eat some of the contract themselves. I just think that’s not how trades work. You don’t deal a top of the rotation guy for a bunch of scrubs just to get rid of some bad contracts. A team like the Mariners and flush with money and they don’t really need to get rid of them that urgently like you think they do.

    • http://knickerbockerchatter.blogspot.com Bruno

      put the crackpipe down.

      IPK for Salty!!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yeah, Seattle traded a good closer, a potential All-Star CF, one of the best RHP prospects in the game + 2 others for Bedard.

      His stock is down, but not THAT much.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

        Why don’t we just trade the rosters of each team for one another?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Heh, then watch Cash take Seattle’s GM gig next year…

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

          It is good to see that Melky is our biggest problem again, though.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Hah, no kidding.

    • steve (different one)

      i don’t know, maybe we could throw in Shelley Duncan if they include Clement.

    • dbroncos31

      Good God. We don’t need to trade Vidro. He is an FA after this year. Why the hell would we trade an okay young CF (great fielder, bad hitter), an average but overpaid #4 starter and a very good #2 for nothing?

      Seriously and you have us taking Igawa back. Gardner and Melky are young and talented. Rasner is not good, I don’t know a ton about Marquez of Cox, and Igawa is not a major leaguer. If Lee made this deal he would be burned at the stake.

      /Mariner fan

  • A.D.

    Bannister for Melk would be a why bother trade. With Hughes on the comeback trail, IPK pitching well in AAA, Aceves pitching well this season, I’d rather see these guys get a start then trading for Bannister

  • Realist

    Bedard wold be insane! He has AL East experience, is a lefty, and has ace “potential”….hurt or not I believe he is under contract for a few years ( I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong and I am wrong alot, lol! ) while also being fairly young.

    • zs190

      only signed for next year and he is a major injury risk, has had multiple injuries in the last couple years and throughout his career. Obviously if you have him and can keep him healthy, he has great stuff, but I wouldn’t go trade a bunch of prospects for him.

      • Realist

        Thanks for clarifying!

        His injury history would keep the prospect list of the lower variety and sometimes we have to take risks in life ;-)

        It’s not even being rumored so I guess its all moot anyway, thanks for answering my question :-)

        • zs190

          I think they wait for him to get healthy then deal him in offseason, just more choices out there then. I think somebody else will offer more for him than us.

          • emac2

            Why would someone else offer more than we would?

            I don’t mean to pick on you BTW – :)

            I think we could use a lefty starter more than anyone and I also think that we are in a better position to take a risk on him being healthy and performing than anyone else.

            I do agree they should wait for him to prove his health and shoot for the offseason but I’m not sure they will if they get something they like now and that gives them the opportunity to really start rebuilding right now.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Jeremy Sowers has a really low WHIP today.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I totally jinxed it. Oh well.

  • christopher

    i dont think they are backing off washburn. it has become a game of poker now with the mariners. its goingto be a matter of whether either team blinks first. really think seattle will look at his salary and realize they just want to get rid of it. since there is no other team aparently interested in him i would say the yanks have the advantage here and just need to wait things out.

    also, there is the possibility that washburn clears waivers after the 31st

    • A.D.

      Seattle is trying to bs them and make them include a good prospect…which isn’t going to happen

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Washburn pitched very well today, albeit against a crappy team:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=280727114

    • mustang

      I was just going to write that the Seattle GM must have a smile on his face as the values goes up.

    • mustang

      101 pitches 68 for strikes not bad does he go out for the 9th?

      • mustang

        Nope. Putz is in nice showing by Washburn that makes things a little harder.

      • Newman

        Nope, Putz

  • Kyle D.

    Let me know when Erik Bedard pitches 200 innings in a year and then we can talk about trading for the guy.

  • zs190

    Because the organizational philosophy is to not deal top prospects that are cost effective for soon-to-be FA pitchers that cost a ton to resign. Bedard is the same situation as CC/Santana, we just don’t do that kind of deal. We wait for him to go FA then consider signing him then.

    • zs190

      oops, this was meant to be a reply to emac earlier

    • emac2

      “Because the organizational philosophy is to not deal top prospects that are cost effective for soon-to-be FA pitchers that cost a ton to resign.”

      Who told you this and what does it have to do with trading for Bedard? We just traded an excellent prospect for a couple of players that are as close to free agency as Bedard.

      Besides, wouldn’t you rather have him for a year at 10 mil before commiting to 50 mil?

      Just because we didn’t pay what we would have had to for CC or Santana doesn’t mean we don’t trade for potential aces if the price is right. I think the price on Bedard will be right because he is only under contract for one year and because of the heath and attitude questions.

  • DP

    I don’t see the point of making a trade for a pitcher. Rasner or Ponson could be replaced any day by Kennedy if things were that bad. After that we are talking about 4 starts or so before Hughes and/or Pavano comes back. Any of those last 3 could do just as good (if not better) than Washburn. Wang will be back. I don’t see why bothering acquiring someone who would be equal to our young guys. What are we going to do with Washburn next year? Or if we make the playoffs? His first two starts would be against the Angels and Rangers,good luck with that.

  • nick blasioli

    first off who would play centerfield in melky gets traded..dont tell me gardner with his 106 ba…then too…we dont know if rasners arm is bad or whatever…there might be something going on we dont know about;. as why the yankees are looking for another sp…its to risky to bring up kennedy or some other kid when you are in a pennant race…

  • dbroncos31

    We are not going to trade Bedard when his value is at an all-time low.

    Repeat, NOT GONNA HAPPEN