Cashman’s trade history

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As part of his GM Trade History series, Tim at MLBTR (with help from Brendan Bianowicz) has compiled all of trades Brian Cashman has made since becoming the Yanks’ GM way back in 1998. You can access the spreadsheet here. It’s fun looking back at all the names that have long since been forgotten, especially since we all know that Cash has never made a good deal, right?

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  • Tripp

    I wish that Javier Vazquez deal worked out better for the Yanks. He should be have been so dominant.

    • TurnTwo

      yup. i was there in the LF bleachers for the home opener in 2004 when he had that curveball dancing.

      look back at that week in december in 2004, and he brought in Javy and Kevin Brown. those are some bold moves that came with high hopes… and sadly, i think we’ve seen the last of that Cashman.

      • TurnTwo

        2003*

      • Ed

        Vazquez was a good move, but the only player of significance we gave up was Nick Johnson, who wasn’t going to get playing time anyway with Giambi around. But he’s basically the first base version of Pavano.

        Kevin Brown though, ugh, that was a horrible trade, and it was really obvious at the time too. I’m still amazed that the Yankees took on Brown’s giant contract yet still paid the Dodgers cash as part of the deal. That deal was bad even if the cash went to the Yankees. Brown was clearly done at the time of the deal.

        • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Brown threw 211 innings of 169 ERA+ ball in 2003, the year before he came to the Yanks. Declining at the time of the deal? Certainly. Clearly done though? Nope.

          • Ed

            Don’t forget that Brown only threw 179 innings in 2001 and 2002 combined due to elbow and back injuries. His back was a big question mark at the time of the trade, which ended up being his downfall.

        • A.D.

          I don’t see why the Brown trade was so bad other than the money, Brazoban, Weeden, and Weaver haven’t done anything, Brown had some good outings, it was a high potential upside move where maybe Brown dominates, but worse case he’s Jeff Weaver

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      Honestly, it was never given the chance to. I really do think that had the Yankees not given up on him after 2003, he would have turned into the pitcher Chicago has, now.

      Beckett had a miserable first season in the AL East for the Red Sox too, after all. And Vazquez didn’t come with the same durability issues Beckett did, either.

  • stefan

    I just find it funny that the Yanks missed 2 opportunities (trade for Weaver and post-2006 offseason) to have Ted Lilly in the rotation. Yes, his AL numbers aren’t phenomenal, but we could have paid him the same amount we paid Igawa and had a solid, durable back-end-of-the-rotation guy.

    Darn it, I promised myself I wouldn’t be bitter about this……….

    • steve (different one)

      Igawa was obviously a disaster, but go back and check out Weaver’s numbers at the time of that trade.

      young, durable, good and signed to a very fair contract.

      this would be like the equivalent of Cashman trading, say, Ian Kennedy for Dan Haren in the middle of 2007.

      maybe not a perfect comp, but that’s roughly what people thought of Weaver at the time of the trade.

      i wish i knew what happened with that guy.

      • Realist

        At the time, Weaver was considered a steal…..how the worm turns!

  • Ben C

    Best trade on that list: Hideki Irabu for Jake Westbrook, Ted Lilly, and Christian Parker

    Worst trade on that list: Mike Lowell for Mark Johnson, Todd Noel, and Ed Yarnall (OUCH)

  • Tripp

    I’d say the Bobby Abreu or Chuck Knobloch trades are the best.

    • http://www.myspace.com/truebelievermedia Stryker

      the abreu and a-rod trades were absolute steals. certainly the exception and not the rule in their cases.

      especially now when people are ready to have cashman’s head unless he brings a good starting pitcher to the team for similar to what we gave up for those guys.

      • Phil McCracken

        Abreu and ARod trades were salary dumps, not steals.

  • http://www.mlbtraderumors.com Tim Dierkes

    Thanks for the link! Credit where credit is due – Brendan Bianowicz did all the work here.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Like you need any help getting links. ;)

      I changed the post to note Brendan’s efforts.

  • YankCrank20

    How is the Alex Rodriguez trade not the best trade? Try and think of where the Yankees would be from 2004 to today if Aaron Boone had never gotten hurt and Soriano was continuing to swing at awful pitches (wait, are Cano and Soriano the same person?), and boot countless ground balls. A-Rod may turn out to be the greatest player to ever wear a Yankee uniform and you think Knoblauch and Abreu are the best pick ups? I understand Knoblauch helped win 3 rings and we obtained a great player in Abreu for practically nothing but come on…Yanks aren’t a competitive team since 04 without A-Rod

    • Ben C

      I don’t know about not being a competitive team.. I just laughed out loud when I read the Irabu trade because that’s like trading a box of Cheerios for two quality starters.

      Jerome from Manhattan was just on Mike and the Mad Dog, hilarious.

      “I DON’T LIKE THIS GUY GREER” (giese)

      • jyates29

        Mike and the Mad Dog might be the largest gathering of idiots on the planet…I have such a hard time listening to it…props to you my friend

      • stefan

        I think the most common phone call on that show is “I DON’T LIKE THAT GUY IN THE BULLPEN. YOU KNOW, THAT GUY ON THE METS? WHAT’S THAT GUY’S NAME? I DON’T LIKE THAT GUY.”

        That really, really is not much of a stretch either.

    • jyates29

      we all saw what the Yankees were like without him in the lineup this year…it wasn’t pretty

    • Tripp

      Good point. The Arod trade is good. So is the Clemens trade. So is the Abrue trade. So is the Knoblock trade. The David Justice trade was good for a year to.

      There’s a bunch of them.

  • Adam

    i love following the trade trees:

    Hideki Irabu -> Ted Lilly -> Jeff Weaver -> Kevin Brown

    and

    Hideki Irabu -> Jake Westbrook -> David Justice -> Robin Ventura -> Scott Proctor -> Wilson Betemit

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Talk about a bell curve of returns. That one peaked with David Justice, and it was all downhill from there.

      • steve (different one)

        i disagree. in 2002, the Yankees needed a 3Bman. Ventura had a 119 OPS+ for the Yanks that year.

        he was a very good “return” on Justice, who was finished.

        in 2003, the Yankees traded for Boone, yet managed to get Proctor for Ventura, when everyone knew the Yankees HAD to trade Ventura.

        Proctor gave them 150+ above average innings in 2006-2007.

        then Proctor was traded for a very useful bench player, while Proctor has basically sucked all year and is now out with a sore elbow.

    • steve (different one)

      Hideki Irabu -> Jake Westbrook -> David Justice -> Robin Ventura -> Scott Proctor -> Wilson Betemit

      i love this too.

      and if you think about it by individual seasons worth of production, it’s been a very successful sequence for the Yankees.

      the Yankees got good seasons out of Irabu, Justice, Ventura, Proctor and now Betemit is a fairly valuable player.

  • steve (different one)

    Irabu wasn’t as bad as people remember for the yankees.

  • jyates29

    Just saw the lineup for tonights game on lohud…jeter’s out, gardener is in the 2-spot and betemit is hitting 8th and playing short…sound interesting to say the least.

  • Ben C

    Mad Dog just broke the lineup — I stopped listening after the first two names because I was so excited, Jeter is off so its Damon DH followed by Gardner in LF

    This combined with Joba, thank GOD I’m going tonight.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      PeteAbe had that up a while before Mad Dog. Let’s not give those buffoons on the radio more credit than they deserve.

    • Ben C

      yea well i hadn’t seen a post on here about it yet so i dunno… i dunno where you people get your news

    • jyates29

      i’m jealous…i want to go tonight so badly

      • Matt M.

        i’ll be there!!!!

        Joba starting.
        gardner in left
        robertson in the pen.

        now we’re talking

  • jsbrendog

    arod takes a pass on home run derby…what a douche..

    sorry couldnt help it i know its not for this thread

    • Yankee1010

      So you’d rather see him hit meaningless HRs in the Derby and screw up his swing? Reasonable.

    • yankeemonkey

      Oh sure, let’s have ARod in the home run derby, a stupid event no one cares about, so that he can throw out his shoulder and/or screw up his swing for the next 3 months.

      Brilliant!

    • Nathan

      actually a bunch of previous winners of the hr derby had power outages following their win (Abreu, etc.)

      a-rod is smart to opt out, smart for the yanks that is. the fans… not so much. but it does help Yankee fans, so we should be glad

      • ChrisS

        Abreu never really had all that much power to begin with. His win in the derby was kinda flukey.

        In any event, I’m with Girardi: if a player wants to hit in the derby, he’s not going to stop them, and if they don’t want to play, that’s their deal.

    • steve (different one)

      arod takes a pass on home run derby…what a douche..

      i can’t think of one single reason to be upset over this.

      seriously.

      the HR Derby is stupid and meaningless.

      A-Rod is the most important player on the Yankees.

      he doesn’t want to do it b/c he feels like his primary responsibility is to the team, and yet you are ripping him for that?

      makes no sense.

      it’s not like he refused to play in the All-Star game.

      • Joltin’ Joe

        If the swing funk theory is true, let’s send Melky en lieu of A-Rod… maybe it’ll boost him.

  • A.D.

    You never really realize how many deals that don’t matter happen. But outside of the Lowell deal, which is fairly publicized there isn’t a real bad one, maybe Lilly for Weaver, but Weaver was pitching great at the time, and realistically neither is real good.

    • whozat

      Yeah. Cash has publicly stated that the Lowell deal is the one he regrets the most in his time.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        But again, it was a deal that probably 80% to 90% of GM’s would have made given the opinions on Lowell and Yarnall at the time. Baseball Prospectus ranked Yarnall ahead of Roy Halladay, Joe Crede, Daryle Ward, Gabe Kapler, Freddy Garcia, Ronnie Belliard, Lowell was not as good of a prospect as Yarnall was.

  • The Fallen Phoenix

    I’ve been on the record for saying that, in my opinion, one of the worst trades in Cashman’s history was the second Javy Vazquez trade (for Randy Johnson); I didn’t like it then, and I (especially) don’t like it now.

    That’s not to say it wasn’t a reasonable trade at the time (considering the pressure from the media and up top to get that deal done), and it hasn’t worked disasterously for the Yankees (Randy had a solid, if not spectacular, couple of seasons, and Ohlendorf may yet prove to be a solid bullpen arm, and AG is the best defensive utility infielder in the upper parts of the Yankees’ system), but that’s still probably the one trade I wish we had back.

    The Lowell trade really didn’t do terrible things for the Yankees franchise; does he help the Yankees in 2002 and 2003, when they (most) desperately needed a 3rd baseman? Undoubtedly (although, as aforementioned, Ventura was a solid pickup for 2002), but he also probably doesn’t win them a World Series in those two years, either.

    I love going back to read Baseball Prospectus archives of the late 90s; Christina Karhl had some great things to say about the Cash Man following the 1998 offseason trade that netted Clemens.

  • Brad K

    Can’t wait for the end of the Cashman era, and it can’t come soon enough.

    • http://www.myspace.com/truebelievermedia Stryker

      why? he’s almost singlehandedly turned our farm system from utter CRAP to producing guys like hughes, joba, kennedy, gardner, cano, wang, cabrera, etc. etc. etc.

      what more do you want?!

    • Stryker

      also – who would you rather have in his position? someone like Pat Gillick? helllllll no.

      • Realist

        Because most fans on this site haven’t watched The Yanks long enough to realise that things could be ALOT worse…………..

        That’s not meant as a “dis”, just the truth…..We, as Yankee fans were spoiled with the success of the late 90’s teams and continued playoff caliber teams since. It can’t last forever and this breeds contempt, mostly unwarrented.

        I see the same thing for Boston…old schoolers like Whitey lived and died by their teams only to just recently have 2 WS wins. He appreciates them but remembers the not so good times. He appreciates them and HOPES they last….knowing they can’t, it’s impossible. That said, the “true” fans will stick by them when their time is inevitabley(sp?) up. much like us older Yankee fans who know the ride don’t last forever and regrouping isn’t always a bad thing.

        • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I was pretty young in the 80’s and early 90’s, so while I remember the losing, it’s not engrained in my memory. Moving to Cali was a big wake up call. Watching the Giants and A’s everyday was like, “holy crap, is that what baseball is like outside of New York? The best players on the team are beloved, not blasted in the media and scrutinized for that unclutch sac fly.” It was quite the culture shock.

          Everyone wants to win, but there are worse fates than losing in the ALDS.

          • Realist

            Exactly! Wise beyond your years sir…and that is a compliment!

            This team is a work in progress and STILL has a shot at the playoffs with Hughes and Kennedy injured and not pitching well when healthy.

            Not a good way to start a season in the brutal AL East….but a man once told me, “It aint how you start out, it’s how you finish that matters.” ;-)

          • whozat

            I stopped watching baseball for ten years after the strike. So _all_ my old Yankee memories are of losing teams. Definitely has made me appreciate what I’ve gotten to watch since 2004. They’ve been frustrating at times, yeah, but at least I’ve never sat through a season where the goal of the season was finishing near .500.

            • Realist

              Sure, whose is? This team is over .500 and last I looked, almost half a season to go….

              I almost quit watching after ’94…it woulda been NY vs. Montreal…well probably. Plus O’Neil’s batting title would’ve held more weight and Donnie baseball possibly could have had the elusive ring…..

      • Brad K

        Theo

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      You should be forced to root for the Mets. Appreciate what you have.

      • Brad K

        That’s a pretty stupid thing to say. I should root for the Mets? I forgot people who post here think that you can have any opinion as long is it’s the same as theirs.

        Dude….get a clue.

  • tommiesmithjohncarlos

    Cashman’s best move: resigning Aaron Boone. That kid was a gamer.

    Cashman’s worst move: Letting Tom Gordon walk. If we had Gordon as our dominant 8th inning setup guy, we wouldn’t have our atrocious 20-22 record when leading after 7 innings. And, we didn’t even get anything good from Gordon.

    Cashman’s an idiot.

  • Realist

    Gordon wanted to be a closer and signed a deal worthy of a closer………..plus, wasn’t good enough to garner that much cash to fill that position (setup man because Mo is well….Mo) for that much money. Not in the AL East, at least…..

    Yep, cash is an idiot….btw, what have you ever done to make you a genius except second guessing someone who probably will make more money in a year than you in a lifetime and have the WS rings to back it up?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He was joking. TSJC is good like that.

  • Realist

    I know, so was I ….just forgot the ;-) in my old age :-)

  • Cecilio Guante

    While Cashman deserves all the credit in the world for assembling playoff-quality (albeit dysfunctional & overaged) rosters let’s not go overboard with compliments. He inherited World Series quality teams from Gene Michael and Bob Watson – topping them off with Clemens in 1999 and Justice in 2000 – he did not create them from scratch. If Cashman is still around after this season the success (or lack thereof) of Hughes, Kennedy, Gardner, Tabata & AJax will provide
    the clear picture of his true legacy.

    • Realist

      Yes, Stick and Watson……to a much lesser extent….deserve most of the credit, Cash kept the boss in check and made better moves than not.

  • Phil McCracken

    To be honest, I don’t think there is any good trades on that list except for the Irabu trade, and that was because Loria was a blind owner who knew about art, not baseball.

    I know all you guys are pro-Cashman, I just don’t see it. And that list pretty much intensifies my belief.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Damn straight. I’m not going to let petty stupid things like facts and realities get in the way of my superior preexisting opinions…

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