Game 89: Joba for the split
ByIt would be nice to come out of this weekend five games over .500, wouldn’t it? Not only that, but only three behind the Sox in the loss column, though the Yanks were there when the series started on Thursday. But it started so horribly that I’m sure many of us are surprised a split is possible.
All right, enough of the negativity. We’ve got our ace-in-training on the mound tonight, as Joba Chamberlain faces the Sox for the first time as a starter. He’ll be opposed by Tim Wakefield, who has pitched 202 innings against the Yankees during his career. His ERA sits at 5.03, though the most damning number is the 110 walks he’s given up in those innings. That works out to 4.90 walks per nine; his career average is 3.48 BB/9. The Yanks hit him especially hard last year, plating 17 runs in 14 innings. They also amassed 17 walks in that period.
Joba has just 4.1 innings of work against the Sox, in which he has allowed one run and walked two while striking out five. The Yanks could use a solid seven out of him. But then again, when could they not use a solid seven from a starting pitcher. We all know that the Yanks will need Joba to step up with Wang out, and tonight presents a strong opportunity. He’ll certainly need to improve over his last start, in which he lasted just four innings against the Texas Rangers.
Word has surely gotten around already that Johnny Damon has been placed on the DL for the first time in his career. Justin Christian has been recalled to play the role of reserve outfielder. While this is certainly a devastating blow to the offense, it does open up a little competition between Melky and Gardner. Our rook speedster hasn’t gotten off to a hot start, but he should have at least 10 games of regular at bats to turn it on. Melky has seemingly responded to the Gardner call-up, going 5 of his last 10. So let’s see if he can turn that into a little hot streak.
Enough of all that, though. Onto your lineups.
1. Brett Gardner, LF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Jason Giambi, 1B
6. Jorge Posada, DH
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Melky Cabrera, CF
9. Jose Molina, C
And on the mound, number sixty-two, Joba Chamberlain.
Update by Ben (8:05 p.m.): During the pre-game show, Buster Olney reported that the Brewers have traded a package of prospects fronted by Matt LaPorta to the Indians for C.C. Sabathia. I’ll have more on this deal tomorrow morning, but quickly: While this now means the Yanks won’t have Sabathia this year, it puts them in a prime position to nab him once he hits free agency this winter. There’s no way the Brewers re-sign the lefty before he hits the open market. And LaPorta’s quite the price to pay.
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Billy Wagner blows a save. I saw that coming. The bigger the moment, the bigger the chance Wagner blows one.
Billy Wagner, All-Star.
Johan Santana, $137.5M, non All-Star.
Yeah, but I think Johan deserves to be one.
I wonder if Wagner will do a “Delgado” and leave early.
Evan Longoria is sick. He deserves to go to the AS game.
is sabathia really going to the brewers?
Yes sir.
Yessir. Matt LaPorta (who Boston failed to sign along with Pedro Alvarez in recent drafts) is the centerpiece. The other two Minor League players are not know definitely.
um… why did you both call me “sir”? lol.
“[Joba] can’t overpower the Red Sox…” says Joe Morgan.
I’ll take that bet.
I’m going to be lmao at the dumbassness of Joe Morgan.
How come nobody ever mentions the ghastly Free Agent signing of Julio Lugo to a 4-year deal? Is that just labeled at “Theo being Theo”?
My parents are the two people with the Yankee hats on sitting above the YANKEES.COM part of the blue banner behind the plate. They’re in the front row. They comment here a bit.
those are some nice seats.
How much were those tickets Ben?
My parents got ‘em as a gift from a friend of my dad’s, but I saw the tickets today and the price on them is $250. That’s actually not as much as I would think for seats literally in the first row.
It sounds like Joe Morgan is learning to read.
“Johnny Damon … was … they’ll maybe put him on the DL … he was hurt … catch was made at the wall … they placed him on the DL … today”
“that’s one thing he has to learn to do as a stater, finish off an at bat…”
I would think a reliever has to finish off an at bat, also, Mr. Morgan….
I hate Sunday night baseball
Might be a long night for Abreu with the way he swung at that last pitch.
Man I really hope Joba puts Youk on his ass again.
Anybody else feel that Joe Morgan is going to point out every single negative thing that Joba Chamberlain does so he can create this perception that all the idiots were right about keeping him in the bullpen?
I think he’s doing that because he’s an idiot.
I love how they note that he’s averaged less than 5 innings per start, neglecting to mention that he was on a pitch count the first what, 4 starts?
Hava Molina! That’s 11 in a row!
god i love those strike ‘em out, throw ‘em out dp’s.
Eleven straight for Jose Molina. Owned.
K’d looking and caught a base stealer. Awesome.
wow molina has a sick arm
HAHAHAHAHA Coco didnt know what hit him. He looked pathetic against Mariano in the 9th too.
LoL at Ben’s parents posting at this site. The word computer is not in my Mom’s vocabulary and my Dad can only be trusted with logging into his e-mail account.
An A-Bomb for A-Rod! Give that man a raise!
It’s classic hearing John Sterling with that line in one of the intros to MLB 08: The Show.
aw yeaaa. i told my dad alex would get ahold of one of those weak-ass pitches. first at-bat of the game, too!
A-Rod always seems to hit one off wakefield
Wow. Grats Arod.
A-Rod is such a distraction, nevermind the hr’s and etc but how dare he cheats on his wife.
I don’t think LaPorta is too significant for the Brewers. Not with Mat Gamel in the system and Braun locked up and Fielder still a few seasons from free agency.
If Sabathia and Sheets both leave (and that’s likely, one will definitely be gone), that’s like 5 picks in the top 30 or 40 after they had 6 in like the top 70 or something this year.
It sounds insane to say, but Matt LaPorta was totally expendable. Amazing job by Milwaukee. Red Sox and Dodgers get a lot of press for their farm system, but it’s Milwaukee’s system that is producing franchise-carrying players right. I mean.. JJ Hardy and Corey Hart are like the low end. Think about that.
I’m rather unimpressed by Cleveland’s haul. I’m surprised Shapiro didn’t at least try to start a bidding war. I mean, how do you not get two of LaPorta-Gamel-Escobar in exchange for the reigning Cy Young Award winner?
If you are Milwaukee, you cannot, cannot give up 2 of those 3 for a rental. If CC had another year remaining, then okay. But he’s a rental.
They needed to keep one of Gamel and LaPorta for protection against Fielder leaving for free agency. I’m surprised Cleveland didn’t really push for Escobar as the one guy, since they have been searching for impact middle infielders and they just drafted Chisenhall and already have a number of DH-ish players on the 25-man. But with Week’s struggles, keeping Escobar was a boon for Milwaukee, since they can now decide between Hardy, Weeks, and Escobar to fill those 2 spots in the coming years.
Still, Cleveland got a dynamite prospect in LaPorta. The guy is performing at terrific levels in the higher minors as part of the safest group of prospects in baseball (college corner sluggers). There isn’t a team in baseball that could have matched any one of Milwaukee’s top 3 in terms of impact potential.
Seriously Wakefield is getting BS calls when Joba gets nothing. He struck out Casey like 4 times.
I couldn’t agree more with that. It was almost embarassing to watch some of those strikes get called balls.
I dunno how realistic this is, but with the amount coming off the payroll, anyone think there is a possibility of getting Sheets and Sabathia? That would be an awsome way to open the new stadium…
Lugo owned!
This Joba kid, why would you want to make him a starter? Shutdown relievers are more important.
Yes they are. Teams don’t even need starting pitchers. Just a bunch of one inning guys.
Any chance, and I mean any chance in hell Mat Gamel is also included into this deal? If he is then a case could be made that Cleveland kind of fleeced the Brewers.
I’ve read no Gamel or Escobar.
How is it a risk Joe Morgan? They aren’t losing anyone off their ML or AAA roster, and are getting a sure thing stud pitcher.
Wait, why does Joe Morgan care if the Brewers gave up their prospects for C.C. Sabathia? Was it not he who said in the Yankees and Mets telecast on Sunday Night Baseball that he would have traded for Johan Santana if he were the Yankees because he would take the proven player 100% of the time?
Boy if your the Brewers, you gotta make the playoffs, and probably more than that to make this trade legit.
I’m shocked that Cleveland didn’t get more also.
I mean no disrespect to the man because he has had a storied career in this great game but somebody had it correct when they said “Peter Gammons is too old for T.V.”. If I am not mistaken it was one of the authors of Project Prospect.
They cut away from the game to pay tribute to the Rays. God I hate ESPN.
Cabrera had no chance on that one.
These guys are idiots. The young guys did not feel pressure because they were kept instead of traded for Santana. I am not making it through this game with these idiots.
But Santna faces no pressure since he sign that big contract and push the mets over the top.
santana my bad.
I really hate Wakefield.
seen enough of Gardner to know he cant hit
We all know they made the right move now shut up.
Fremp must have taken to the airwaves. That make too much sense for it to be Morgan.
I was thinking the same thing. Did Joe Morgan have a brain transplant because that did not sound like him.
I think Fremp prepared some paperwork in advance, which is what Morgan is reading from. ESPN won’t give us any shots of the booth, so as not to give it away.
And Mike A, I want to quote something that CB (occasional commentator both here and at LoHud) wrote at LoHud, which I agree with:
“Basically once the Brewers put LaPorta on the table that was the end of the issue. No way any other team was going to offer a package with a single player as good as La Porta.
I didn’t think the Brewers would agree to put LaPorta in the deal so quickly. I thought they’d build the deal around Mat Gamel who is also tearing up AA for the Brewers.
The Brewers didn’t want competing offers and they closed things down by putting La Porta on the table. Shapiro knew he wasn’t going to get a player as good as LaPorta and honed in on the Brewer’s offer.
Once again, its remarkable how little the Twins got for Santana and the way the Sabbathia trade looks to be occurring is such a contrast to what Smith tried to do.”
The thing is that the Indians need hitting, and you can count the number of hitting prospects better than LaPorta on one hand. If I was the Brewers, I would have tried to build the deal around Gamel as well, he’s clearly an inferior player to LaPorta, despite being a damn good player himself.
Give the Crew credit, they’re going for it.
“Clearly an inferior player”?
Their power numbers are extremely similar across the board, whether you’re looking at homers, doubles, BB/K ratio.
Gamel is also hitting 90 points higher than LaPorta.
LaPorta has a nice advantage in career minor league OPS, but Gamel’s numbers are taken from 399 games — LaPorta’s, 112.
Gamel is a total butcher at 3B, but LaPorta would be too if he played there. He’s barely an outfielder as it is.
The two guys seem pretty interchangeable to be honest. Now in a couple years I may seem rather foolish for saying that, but I doubt it.
Maybe “clearly an inferior player” was a bit much, but LaPorta’s better. More polished hitter, better OBP skills, fewer holes in his swing. Gamel is a lefty though, which is a plus. When you’re talking about these two guys, throw defense right out the window. All of their value comes from their bats.
LaPorta – 23 years old, career .395 OBP
Gamel – 22 years old, career .385 OBP
I guess LaPorta could be considered the better OBP guy because of the gap between his on-base and his batting average, but look closely. He has been hit by a pitch 15 times, compared to Gamel’s 3 times. LaPorta’s advantage in walks is only 6, and their strikeouts are identical.
LaPorta has 86 hits on the season, Gamel 131.
Maybe it is me, but I am not seeing the indicators at all that point towards one guy being all that much better than the other. I do believe LaPorta has more raw power, but Gamel is a both a frigging hit machine and a man-child.
Those are very good points. I wonder how different their numbers would be if their spots in the order were switched. As far as I know, Gamel was hitting 3rd and LaPorta 4th all year.
I’m not asking to try and make a point, I’m just curious. I never bought into the “lineup protection doesn’t matter” argument.
I think LaPorta has a lot to do with Gamel hitting .381.
Gamel is a really good hitter and this is not the first big year he has had (.288, 17, 88 at Low-A) but it is his first truly monster year.
The kid is a .300 hitter, but I do think LaPorta had a lot to do with him threatening .400.
100 Mph fastball in the 4th!
Have to admit that Jeter has been displaying some better range this season. So I guess that knee issue from last year is more than behind him.
Yeah, Jete up the middle is far better than past a diving…
No gum tonight for Derek Jeter?
Nevermind.
do you think santana deserved the AS Game nod? I haven’t compared everyone yet, but I have a feeling a lot of people looked at little more than his W-L record
Surprising that Mike Lowell was so out in front of that 1-1 Slider, even I expected that one.
Mike do you think with Dan M’s dominating start last night that the Yanks will put Rasner in the BP and bring him up?
Nope. McCutchen’s had one good start, one really good start, and about a month worth of crappy ones in Triple-A. He’s not ready.
Varitek voted in by the players, the same players wh say that A-rod was one of the most overrated players in baseball.
All I know is that A.J> Pierzynski must be the biggest a-hole in MLB if the players didn’t vote for him.
Joba needs to throw a damn strike there.
That sequence with crisp was bad.
You gotta love the determination. He eats pressure for breakfast. I give him props for colliding with Youk for no reason.
Holy shit Girardi needs to go out there and argue.
I wish John Miller would stop calling our pitcher Chaba…..
Figures Wake is owning them. He’s only 1-8 with a 6+ ERA in his last 10 starts against the Yanks.
I thought the ump was bad yesterday holy fuck
Good throw by Jason Giambi to second base? If that’s not a good omen I don’t know what is.
another greatshowingbythe offense tonight. way to go guys
lets hope that the top of the rotation in milwaukee come as a package deal next season.
Sabathia Sheets,Wang, Joba, Hughes –that is a moster rotation. a pipe dream yes, but mybe instead of sheets they get that japanese pitcher – a dice k type play
fill out the rotation with young established arms and trade the suplus for good hitters
sjow that last pitch to molina om k-zone. fucking bullshit espn favorites the fucking redsox so much. not even funny
this strike zone is a fucking joke.
Youk is a crybaby ……..bout time girardi
Good Lord. Laz Diaz needs to learn the strike zone. This is embarassingly bad.
LoL, does that HP umpire ever take a second to breathe when he talks?
Gardner got a hit. This game’s in the bag.
i’m at work and the game is on mute (thank god for that) but why do they keep showing the play at the plate?
They think that Kevin Youkilis’ slide was the reason Joba Chamberlain threw behind him in his next Plate Appearance.
Oh. I must have missed the pitch to Youk. He’s a dickmuffin anyway.
The Yankees are 2-for-2 in the current ABs when Joe Girardi is ejected.
Captain!
Cap’MMMMMMMMMMMM (where do I get that from, Futurama?)!!
I’m surprised the pitches to Molina and Gardner were strikes according to K-Zone. I think Girardi was frustrated at Joba seemingly getting squeezed while Wakefield was pitching to a generous strike zone.
Derek Jeter doing his best Chris Snee impersonation.
Well that’s just not fair.
Since when does Lugo make plays in the field?
Hold down the fort D-Rob.
This umpire is smoking that oooh-weee.
Lugo never makes that play
Captain giveth and taketh away
Tie game!
Dale Robbie, fucking Red Sox!
I, personally, enjoyed the 10-hopper Coco unleashed to the cutoff man from the wall. Channeling his inner Johnny Damon right there.
Yes, I noticed that as well. Does Jacoby Ellsbury’s arm rate as Major League average?
No way…it’s barely better than Crisp’s
I thought Damon had a bad arm. My 9 year old sister throws farther than Coco Crisp.
Need this game bad…
Shit… Robbie migh have to challenge Abreau for softie of the year award… plow the catcher down, play like you’ve got a pair – please.
I must commend Melky for getting the run in.
Oh wait.
LOL
I dunno about you guys, but I’m extremely jealous of Chad Moeller. Assuming he’s making the league minimum, he’s collecting a ~$12,000 check every two weeks to watch a baseball game from the best seat in the house.
Yeah, I thought with Wilson Betemit’s XBH power he might have been called upon for Jose Molina with Chad Moeller on the bench.
Give ‘em hell Farns, give ‘em hell.
and there goes the ball game…
Are you serious right now?
you were saying.
Oh ye of little faith, take that attitude to LoHud.
Did anyone else notice everything Joe Morgan says is completely wrong, which isnt anything out of the ordinary, he just agrees with all the calls
pretty interesting in fenway?… that was hit about 200 feet
In 2006 Mike Lowell had a 104-*OPS+ and 80-RBIs. Shut the fuck up Peter Gammons.
thank you kyle, thank you!!!!
We gotta do it this inning. Come on guys…
Farnsworth with another 1-2-3 inning? Two games in a row? Two days in a row?
What is going on?!
Nationally televised, one run game and tied game in the eight inning and Kyle Farnsworth owned the Boston Red Sox. Guess the critics can shut the fuck up about him wilting under the “bright lights”, whatever that means (I’m looking at you Christopher Russo).
Gardner needs to lay down a bunt one of these days, try to beat it out.
Was just thinking that as you wrote it.
Brett Gardner going out of the zone?1 I’ve seen it all!
The Baseball Gods don’t like Brett Gardner.
Or Bobby Abreu.
Wasn’t that ball fair?
is it just me, or does jon miller have a huge man crush for on a-rod?
is it just me, or does jon miller have a huge man crush on a-rod?
That ball was insanely close on that line. The ump was right there so i can’t complain, but damn!
It happens. Pedroia had one like that taken away yesterday.
The later this game goes, the better it is for the Yanks. Boston’s bullpen is miserable beyond Papelbon, and Yanks still have a little bit of depth with Edwar, Veras, and Dan “0.77 ERA & 0.77 WHIP as a reliever” Giese.
Same stuff I was thinking. Wonder if Francona might take a leap and go with Papelbon for two innings in a tied game after he lets Delcarmen pitch the 9th.
Oh no, All-Star catcher Jason Varitek is pinch hitting. They’re fucked.
Jason Varitek over Manny Ramirez, hmm.
Varitek’s bat went farther than the ball.
WALK MANNY. I don’t give a shit if Mo’s on the mound.
Again I was thinking what you wrote Mike.
Gotta walk him. Hate this decision.
Well Mike, that’s why we don’t get paid the big bucks.
Is Jon Miller senile? Manny Ramirez did not face MO in that big jam. It was the bottom of the order. And he hit him with a pitch, did not strike him out.
haha that was the worst pinch hit appearance in the history of pinch hit appearances.
Great pitching by Mo. Still hate the decision, but let’s win this damn game in the ninth!
Thanks for leaving the bat on your shoulder Manny. The bench is to your left.
Hideki Okajima?! Sweet!
Jon Miller just said Okajima was the new pitcher for the Yankees.
I can’t even count how many times these guys have called somebody by the wrong name this game.
Knowledge of MLB teams and it’s players is not required to be an ESPN analyst. It’s embarrassing how bad these two are. A team wouldn’t let a tandem like this call their game with this many errors.
Is Joe Morgan so spineless h can’t even give an opinion on a called ball or strike?
Morgan: Looks like a good call by Diaz.
Miller: Don’t you think the last pitch at that spot being called a ball had something to do with it?
…
Morgan: I agree with K-Zone.
this ump is a joke! Po should have pulled a Robbie Alomar
I guess ESPN decided not to use the K Zone for that pitch.
Why would David Ortiz’s absence be especially hurtful on the road?
They don’t get as many chicks when he’s not around?
Wow, Cleveland did very well with the CC deal if the latest report is correct.
LaPorta, Rob Bryson (Brewers’ best pitching prospect), Zach Jackson (servicable back-end arm) and Taylor Green (high upside low level hitter) for a CC rental.
Fuck me, Papelbon always sucks when it’s not a save situation…
Joe Morgan’s obedience to that K-Zone is like something out of “Equilibrium”, I mean my God.
16 pitches for Mo. Send his ass back out there for the 11th if need be.
If Melky Cabrera is bunting Wilson Betemit better be coming on for Jose Molina.
Nice call…
LoL, I smell your sarcasm. Hear that Dusty Baker, I can smell things as well, not only base hits!
No I actually meant the clairvoyant aspect of your prediction was a nice call.
wilson beat-a-meat
One thing I’ve always liked about Jon Miller is that he pronounces Spanish names the way they are supposed to be said. You have no idea how annoying it is when someone calls Jorge Posada “Geor-Gee”.
swear to god they are incompetent, they’re making kay look good!
GW hit by Gardner. Do it!
I can’t believe they gave betemit 14, didn’t roy white wear that number
geor-gee is a nickname, people know its hor-hay
Oh…
Heh, Brett Gardner’s like:
foul tip … “oh, is that all you got?”
foul tip … “nice try”
foul tip … “if i wanted a pitch like that I’d call your mother”
They would use the K Zone for that pitch. Bias bastards.
Brett Gardner baby!!!!!
I called it! Great game.
Beautiful.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S0kpjyAFoxk
I was typing a snide comment, but after gardner stuck the game up our ass, I’ll just swallow it and congratulate you all on gaining the split.
Good luck with TB!
Thanks dude, we’ll need it against Scott Kazmir…and then some.
Brett Gardner for MVP.
EAT SHIT PAPELBON! GET THAT “COLD BONE-CHILLING STARE” OUT OF HERE!
yes gardner! that’s it baby!
But Papelbon always sucks in a non-save situation… But he didn’t warm up enough, or properly… waaaaah!
Not exactly sure what you’re trying to say, or imply, but when I made that comment earlier I was speaking from my experience watching him over the past few seasons. It was a comment regarding their weak bullpen as a whole. I knew he’d be coming in because they don’t have anybody else they trust and that it this team’s biggest need, an improved bullpen.
TB is laughing right now because they know the Sox and yanks still have to play 9 more times this season…which likely means 4-5 lossess apiece. I’d say they’re sitting pretty, barring a catastrophe.
THAT … was a good game.
Boston is 7 behind Tampa in the loss column.
That…wasn’t a good game…both teams, even without some of their better hitters, squandered opportunities, ran into outs, and seemed to be in a general malaise.
Boston is unlikely to catch Tampa Bay without an improved bullpen and new york is 10 games behind Tampa in the loss column. I wouldn’t say either team should be too excited right now.
So, Am I the only one that was loyal to Brett Gardner this WHOLE TIME.
I have been. IBGWT.
Can someone find out the Pitches/AB for this kid? Its like Triple Cano/Melky.
Coming into this game, Gardner had seen an avg of 5.00 pitches per AB. Melky was at 4.18, Cano 3.51.
I got the info from Fangraphs, FYI.
Thanks alot mike. BTW when I meant triple the pitches I was exagerating haha.
wow, first rookie yankee to hit a walk off hit against the sox since Jeter. Amazing.
How is it possible that Derek Jeter has started only three All-Star games in the past? Oh right, because the best player in baseball history used to be a Short Stop before being moved to Third Base, unfortunately.
How about the comeback for Cristian Guzman? A .219-BA in 2005 to not even being in the Major Leagues in 2006, just 46-games played in 2007 and now a National League All-Star here in 2008. I know Josh Hamilton gets all the press but this guy Guzman was considered done just a couple years ago.
I still wouldn’t want him on my team.
They robbed gardner of an interview.
Yeah, I am pretty irked about it.
Apparently it was on ESPN News?
really? do you think it will be online? or even if they will play it again.
Now maybe he’ll have the confidence to drive the ball.
What a stupid trade by Milwaukee. Now they have a dominant top-2 in the rotation with a mediocre middle and back, and they just lost LaPorta and others. Everyone knows that established minor leaguers are more valuable than picks, hands down.
But this obviously helps us because he will be open to negotiations at the end of the year. Hello, C.C.
Exactly Joe, I consider this great news, if the deal is finalized this is great news for the yankees. Now we dont have to face him in the playoffs again until the WS (if we get that far but thats a different story) opposed to if he was traded to an AL team. Plus, and this is a big plus, the Brewers dont have the money to re-sign CC and sheets (who is in a contract year i think). Could they even re-sign sheets the way the market is these days? Is it too much to think the Yankees could sign CC and Sheets? Probably not, but either would be fine.
CC, Wang, Sheets, Joba, Hughes/Horne would be a pretty killer rotation
but i don’t think the FO would do it, what with he years, his injury history, him possibly blocking a prospect deserving and cost controlled, etc?
and the lupica articles about how we put a winning product on the field…