In losing, Yanks put forth a team effort

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Usually, when we talk about team efforts, we talk about winning games and seeing contributions from everyone. Tonight, let’s flip that over. The Yanks’ 7-6 loss at the hands of the Orioles was a true team effort.

Tonight, I’d like to spread the blame around. I’m going to blame Mariano Rivera, Damaso Marte, Wilson Betemit, Robinson Cano, Xavier Nady and Melky Cabrera for this one. Had just one of those players come through, the Yanks would have at least tied the game in the ninth. Instead, at various points over the last three innings of the game, none of those players did what was asked of the, and the Yanks lost another chance to gain ground on Boston and hold steady with the Red Sox.

Before launching into this one, I’d like to avoid blaming Darrell Rasner. While John Sterling, at least three times, called Rasner’s outing tonight “great,” it was far from it. After putting two runners on base in the 7th without recording an out, his WHIP for the game stood at a Ponsonian 2.00. That he had allowed only two earned runs prior to turning the ball over to Damaso Marte speaks more for luck than his pitching ability. It won’t hold up.

That said, he did what a fifth starter is supposed to do: He held the Orioles to four runs over six innings and kept the game close enough for the offense to win it. Everyone else dropped that ball.

Let’s start in the ninth to cover half of the list. In a 6-3 game, the Yanks called on Mariano Rivera to nail down three outs in the Orioles’ half of the inning. After nearly surrendering a home run to Aubrey Huff, Rivera came back with the exact same pitch, and Huff blasted what would be a very, very big run. I know Rivera’s having a season for the ages, and while this game won’t go down as a blown save, it cost the Yankees big.

In non-save situations, Rivera has now given up three home runs and 16 hits in 20 innings. His ERA is a still incredible 2.70, but his ERA in save situations is 0.33. He is truly a different pitcher, albeit in a limited sample size when the game is seemingly not on the line.

In the bottom of the ninth, the Yanks had two cracks to drive in the tying run with Robinson Cano and Wilson Betemit up. Cano struck out on three pitches, and Betemit followed suit. Wilson is, for the record, much worse as a righty against southpaws than he is hitting lefty against a righty. Justin Christian never had a chance to score.

But those were just the most glaring examples of failure, magnified in the ninth by one bad pitch by the Sandman. Let’s go back to the eighth. Here, with two runs in and two runners on, Wilson Betemit struck out. I sense a trend. Melky Cabrera had a chance to pick him up, and he swung at the very first pitch. He was out. Surprise. Then Xavier Nady struck out too. A solitary hit out of those three — or ABC baseball by Betemit and Cabrera — would have netted the Yanks another run. When the opportunity arose tonight to score runs through outs, the Yanks missed the call.

Finally, we reach the seventh. Damaso Marte, called on to pitch out of a two-on, no-out situation when Darrell Rasner was inexplicably left in to face the top of the Baltimore order, utterly failed. He allowed both inherited runners and two other Orioles to score. Had Marte done the job, the Yanks would have been in a better position to come back. If the Yanks miss the playoffs by a game, this is as good a culprit as any to earn that “coulda, shoulda, woulda” label. It truly was a team effort.

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  • http://www.thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

    I would also blame Girardi. I didn’t agree with decision to sit Nady today, especially after we lost the first game of the series, which Girardi states is the most important game to win (so wouldn’t you put out your best offense for the pivotal second game?). Granted, he struggled since coming to the Yankees, but that homer last night could have been a sign for a big game today. If you want to sit him, sit him tomorrow or the next series (at least wait till we split the series). I don’t think he’ll die from playing 2 more games (in full). Also, you have Jason Giambi in a presumable slump, so wouldn’t you want to keep the lineup deep?

    Also, I agree that you get Damaso Marte to face lefties. That’s why he was called over. But just because a lefty is up there, does that mean you send him in? Shouldn’t you look at the numbers? Nick Markakis, a lefty, is absolutely destroying lefties this year. He’s got a .317 AVG with a .956 OPS against them and those numbers are better than his splits against righties. I mean, I understand Marte has neutralized lefties and righties this year, but wouldn’t it have mad more sense to bring in Edwar Ramirez or Jose Veras with the game essentially on the line (Markakis singled to load the bases).

    Then, as you said, Wilso Betemit can’t hit lefties as a righty. The game was on the line and Girardi just left him in there. Now, why did the Yankees bring in Richie Sexson again? Again, granted, he’s terrible all day, but didn’t you bring him in specifically for this purpose (as a PH against lefties?). What’s the point of having him hit for Melky? Don’t you want to tie the game before you win it? Maybe I’m being hard on Joe, but I do believe he should get some of the blame.

    Sorry for the essay.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      The only thing with which I disagree — and it’s an intentional omission from the write-up — is Richie Sexson. He hasn’t done anything to suggest he would actually be a better option than Wilson Betemit, as sad as that sounds.

      • THE Dread Pirate Roberts

        yeah, i’ve got no problem with not seeing sexson, he’s been tits-on-a-boar useless.

    • Mustang

      Don’t know about the Sexson thing, but everything else I agree with.

      • http://www.thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

        Yea, I could definitely see that. I guess, it’s like, why bring in this guy to hit lefties if he can’t hit lefties? If he’s not offering any righty pop, off the bench, why even have him here? I understand he’s cheap, but that doesn’t make him effective at all and it’s not like his defense is worth anything.

  • Mustang

    YOU NAIL IT.
    This was one of the best threads of the season totally agree with every single line.

  • Joey H

    “In the bottom of the ninth, the Yanks had two cracks to drive in the tying run with Robinson Cano and Wilson Betemit up. Cano struck out on three pitches, and Betemit followed suit. Wilson is, for the record, ” call it kicking up old dirt but how about our star, cleanup hitting, 27.5 mill, third baseman alexrodriguez striking out against a not so hard throwing left hander. also busting his ass in the process might i add, no mentioned ONCE

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      1. A-Rod had already homered in this game to cut what was a two-run lead to one.

      2. Giambi picked him up.

      I know everyone loves to blame A-Rod, and I’m impressed that it took just four comments to get there, but come on. Those runs scored anyway.

      • Joey H

        hey man. arod can hit all the homeruns he wants before the 9th inning, the 27 and a half smackaroos hes getting paid is a rightly indiciation of him having to come throught AT LEAST ONCE!

      • THE Dread Pirate Roberts

        sorry ben, arod takes a hit here … he was swinging for the fences on every swing that AB, even with 2 strikes (contrast that with giambi, who took big hacks early but then went back up the middle with 2 strikes). it just seemed poor situational hitting.

        • Joey H

          no to mention. he busted his ass at home plate to make it more embarrasing. finally someone sees the same thing like me. and its not even like you can say its one game. a needle in a hay stack. his numbers with risp and two outs risp(aka clutch situations) are around .250. and its not a matter of him swinging for the fences. a little single would have scores two. and ben is going to say, giambi got those runs. sure he did. that was a fluke hit, and if arod had got it it wouldnt have manufactured the out. so say arod even gets a bloop single right, that brings in the runner from third. advances the runner at second. two on 1 out for giambi. WAY different situation. and for a moderator of the site to critique the game and not mention arod once is displicable. he went right around it like his eyes were closed until giambi got up

          • THE Dread Pirate Roberts

            ummm, yeah, i generally try to avoid saying the same thing as you, as i did here. you seem to have some sort of jealous complex over the amount of money arod is making this year, with the end result of inflated expectations.

            i was merely pointing out that he had a bad at bat and wasn’t free of blame in the parade of culprits in this loss …

            • Joey H

              no im not jealous of a-rods money but i expect for him, with the money he is getting paid which causes the prices of tickets to be so high to come through for the fans that throw up the good money

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            It’s “despicable.” If you’re going to start tossing around insults in violation of our commenting guidelines, at least spell them right. And tone it down a bit. Disagree respectfully.

            Anyway, to dispute your point, A-Rod homered in this game. That was an important run as evidenced by the change in win probability. You see that .142 WPA? This means that A-Rod’s home run was, for the Yankees, the single greatest contribution to their chances of winning in the entire game.

            Yeah, he failed in the ninth when he was the tying run (instead of the tying run’s being on base). And yeah, his WPA could have been much higher. But he was still the single largest contributor to the Yanks’ chances of winning tonight. How’s that for $27.5 million?

            • THE Dread Pirate Roberts

              however, if you were Daffy Duck, it would, indeed, be “displicable”!

            • Joey H

              ok it was an important run. thats nice. hes expected to do that? so he gets a homer in a two rungame. so that lets him off the hook when he strikes out on an 87 mh fastball in the ninth inning against a right hander? and to respond to your comments about this insult crap. you clearly have it out for me. youve been totally rude and condescending in any reply you have left on my comments. what i said was merely contstructive criticism not an insult, and if it makes you feel better to be my spell check by all means, do it. the matter at hand remains, you failed to mention arod in your thread. its probably because you read what i wrote on the previous one. and its a clearly evident you knew what you were doing and it knew was going to draw criticism when you said “I’m impressed that it took just four comments to get there”

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                Apologies if I’ve come across as rude and condescending. Those weren’t my intentions.

                And you gotta admit, the Dread Pirate Roberts’ line was pretty amusing ;)

                • Joey H

                  yeah lol also keep in mind that its almost two in the F-ing morning! and igot the game to go to tomorrow. watch joba pitch i should be on here bullshitting anyway lol

  • http://www.thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

    Yea, he was definitely trying too hard. If A-Rod was going to swing at that high fastball, he shouldn’t have missed it. It’s not like Sherrill throws ridiculous gas. Then again, I can’t knock him because everyone after him (except for Giambi) failed.

    • Joey H

      yeah but ben, do you really expect wilson god damned betemit to come through? sure hes on the team and needs to contribute, but it comes back to my point of the latest oakland series when he got the big base knock, when he does that, GREAT! but anytthing or anytime else he does something in the clutch is taken as a bonus. the other original problem is sitting nady. if you noticed, im real critical of girardis managing. sure, we can all sit here and complain about him but how do you sit nady there? joe needs to do better with these lineups. hes a genius with the bullpen, sometimes yanks starting pitchers prematurely but what can you do, i say have faith in the manager and have faith in the front office, BUT PLAY GOD DAMNED NADY!

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Yeah, point taken. Betemit sucks. I’ve soured on him big time. And I do agree with you; Nady’s gotta be in this lineup. What’s the point of having him otherwise?

  • Scott of 3 Kids Tickets

    This is the real A-Rod. Last year was an anomoly. There’s something EVERY NIGHT I point out to my wife about him choking. The other guys get on base, the train is moving along, and A-Rod gets on and it grinds to an immediate hault.
    On the flip side, he’s got a great arm but does he have half the range of Jeter (who every non-Yankee fan complains about defensively)? Give me Scott Brosius or Gregg friggin Nettles anyday.

    -Scott

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I’m pretty certain he has twice the range of Jeter.

    • BigBlueAL

      Im the biggest 1996-2001 (even 2003 despite losing the WS to the freakin Marlins) Yankees homer there is since those occured durin my high-school and short-lived college years, but c’mon Scott Brosious in his best, only good season in 1998 wasnt half the player ARod is, nevermind all the other years when Brosious wasnt 1/100th the player ARod is. Nettles did have an amazing glove and provided power/patience but he too in his best seasons wasnt half the player ARod is….

  • Manimal

    Theres no statistic for “almost won”(alright maybe there is) but in the real world it’s just W’s and L’s.

  • Manimal

    For anyone thats interested this is what Lacky said about his almost No-no in his blog over at yardbarker.

    “Sending this one in from Boston. Nice to get a win at Fenway tonight. Made a run at a no-hitter but really just wanted to win the game. The no-hitter would have been nice, but whatever, we’re about winning games. It’s probably a good thing I gave up a hit on a curveball which is probably my best pitch. If I’m going to lose it I want it to be on my best pitch. I can sleep on that. One of the keys tonight was that I was throwing strikes a lot early. I was really challenging guys. My fastball was locating pretty well all night and I kind of mixed in my breaking stuff later on in the game. The first pitch strikes were definitely significant. I was challenging guys with my fastball early on and pretty much throughout the game. I was lucky enough. Some guys hit balls at people and things just kind of kept rolling for me. I was asked how this compared to the one hitter I had against Oakland and I would say I had better stuff that night. I definitely had a better breaking ball that night, had a lot more strikeouts so I guess my stuff in that one was more dominating, you’d say. Happy we got the win tonight”

  • stuart

    watch what you say they will ban you from the site.. why is Giambi’s early failures less of a factor in the loss then Betemit’s late failure?????

    WHy or how can Arod hit 325 but only 250 with RISp??? How can that be done.. he struck out on ball three on a high fastball at 88…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Just to clear something up: We don’t ban people who disagree with us. We ban people who are not adhering to what we feel — and what our readers have said — are fair commenting guidelines. Our main point in the guidelines is this one:

      When arguing and opining about the Yankees, remember that we are all fans of the same team. To that end, personal attacks and insults will not be tolerated. Any comments that we deem libelous, defamatory, abusive, harassing or threatening will not be tolerated, and we may ban repeat offenders from contributing to the site. The same is true for fans of other teams who are here to insult Yankee fans. Constructive conversation, however, will not be stifled.

      No one has come anywhere close to approaching that level, and we don’t like to ban anyone. We’re just asking for constructive conversation without the need to throw barbs around at the same time.

      • Joey H

        ben thats fine all im saying is i think it was low on your part to write that whole thread without mentioning arod. am i wrong for saying that its not right for you to mention him? no.. now me calling it “despicable” or however i spelled it might be a push, sure you can argue that, sorry if you took offense to that.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          You’re not wrong. I disagree that A-Rod bares the same blame as the six players I mentioned; you do. That’s fine. Nothing wrong there. Don’t worry.

      • Steve

        The people who are the most hung up about “being banned” usually don’t know the difference between a personal attack and a disagreeing with someone on a topic.

        I’ll illustrate for the people who need it.

        “I think you’re wrong about that and here’s why”

        is disagreeing with someone on a topic

        “IF YOU THINK THAT THEN YOU’RE AN IDIOT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL”

        is a personal attack.

        Next, we learn how to boil water . . . . .

    • Joey H

      what justified reason do they have to ban me from this site?(imagining you are talking to me) honestly. i said nothing nasty to the host. i simply pointed out that he didnt mention arod once when he was in a prime situation to tie or get the game within one for us. if ben cant take a little criticism for a lack of mentioning things that were huge in the game then whats the point of running a site? arent we here to debate things? make comments? any good writer knows they will draw interest by controversy so to speak. and about your comment on betemit. he isnt a good hitter from the right side of the plate as i think mentioned on this thread allready. besides, i didnt expect him to get a huge knock in that spot. and if he did then ill jump for joy. same thing as their late inning rally against the A’s in the last series.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        what justified reason do they have to ban me from this site?

        None whatsoever. Dunno why stuart jumped to that conclusion. It wasn’t on my mind.

    • Mustang

      If they haven’t banned me yet they are not going to ban anyone.
      LOL
      Keep it light guys this all in good fun.

      Poor A-Rod I’m sure he crying about it right now.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        What’s with the capital M? You’re throwing me off here…

  • stuart

    why does Giambi’s terrible avg with RISP get a pass.. I think he is below 200 with RISP??

    Let’s be honest the offense has been a huge dissapointment all year… The Orioles have more runs scored, the have played the whole season with mickey mouse at SS and don’t tell me about there park they play Millar at 1st and retreads in LF…

    How is it that this lineup is middle of the road in runs scored and terrible in avg with RISP? IS is just bad luck? or Choking? Or what the heck is the reason??

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      “why does Giambi’s terrible avg with RISP get a pass.. I think he is below 200 with RISP??”

      …Because…he…knocked…in…two…runs.

    • Clayton

      FYI Giambi has a 204/350/312 (OPS 662) line with RISP
      AROD has a 250/409/427 (OPS 836) line with RISP

  • Neil

    What would it cost to get BOTH Bard and Maddux from SD?

    They are in desperate need of a CF and maybe a SS if they trade Greene. Normally I would be hesitant in dealing Melky or Garder, but if we can get both Bard and Maddux for one of them I would seriously consider it.

    Although, I would prefer to use our depth to make a deal. Maybe Matt Carson, Chris Britton/Scott Paterson, Eric Hacker, and Kevin Whelan could get the job done?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I wouldn’t be hesitant in dealing Gardner. Following tonight’s 0-for-4, he’s now down to .230 over his last 287 plate appearances. We’re running out of sample size excuses. I can’t quite imagine why the Padres though would take a no-hit outfielder for a decent catcher, and Greg Maddux wouldn’t waive his NTC to come to the Yanks.

      • Guiseppe Franco

        You mean dealing Melky, right?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Um. Yeah. Melky. I’m tired.

          I wouldn’t be too hesitant in dealing Gardner either for the right price.

          • Guiseppe Franco

            It seems like the Yanks aren’t too hesitant in dealing Melky either since he seems to be involved in almost every trade rumor.

            And not in a good way because of other GMs wanting him.

            Seems like the organization as a whole is growing tired of him.

            • Steve

              That, and maybe him and Cano need to be broken up for the sake of both of their careers.

    • Joey H

      im sorry but whats the sense of getting maddux? would he even want the deal with the ny media and all that crap that comes with coming over here at this stage of his storied career? this is what i call one of those video game moves. i just wouldnt do it, sorry.

      • A.D.

        Maddux is no longer good, look at these years numbers, then look at his numbers out of PETCO

  • stuart

    Thanks Ben for the clarification why do you think Arod does what he does with RISP? Why does a guy like Arod who I think appears fairly intelligient leave a all star game in the 5th inning and give addtl. ammo to his haters?

    I am dumbfounded by him, I see his greatness but then look at the results of his career and cannot figure it out. He is 33 in his 5th yr. with the Yansk and has never been in the fall classic? WHy is probably the greatest HR hitter of all time doing these things.. Bonds is just a nasty bad guy, Arod does not appear to be like that but why is he looked at like this and it is more then the huge contract but the contract creates expectations that he appears to not mind?

    • Joey H

      stu, look at it this way. this is what i did after todays game. when, and we all know he will, arod gets into the HOF on the first ballot, everyone will say, the greates player of the history of the game, arguably. a 5 tool player, who never came through in the big spots. its just aggrivating lol. i dont dislike alex its just that i want him to do well so bad that when he chokes it upsets me to no end! and then i have to listen to the jackass met fans saying , how about that. get what i mean?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      1. He’s the most talented player…ever.

      2. He makes the most money…ever.

      3. People are jealous fucks.

      • mustang

        10 World Series 7-3 HR- 15 .326 /.467 / .744
        When he comes close to this then you can talk about “He’s the most talented player…ever.”

        • mustang

          These are post-season numbers only.

        • mustang

          10 Post-season Series 3-7 HR-7 .279/.361/.483
          A-Rod so far hopefully he will get a lot more chance to improve on these.

        • dbroncos31

          Arod sucks it’s totally his fault that the Mariners had no pitching while he was there (other than Randy). They totally would have made it to the WS if it weren’t for that stupid (best player in the game) SS.

          Also his fault that Texas refused to get any good pitching (Chan Ho Park, great signing). The Rangers had the talent to win the WS every year he was there but his “choking” made them come in last. Especially that year he hit 57 HR. God I think they were all in the first inning which of course means they don’t count on the scoreboard.

          And it’s totally Arod’s fault that every Yankee hitter collapsed after Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS. And his fault that Brown/Vazquez pitched Game 7. Also it’s totally his fault that the whole team sucked against Detroit in ’06. And last year I heard that it was his cologne that attracted the midges and he accidently gave Wang food poisoning.

          Moral of the story: Arod is 1000% responsible for his teams never making a World Series and therefore doesn’t have talent.

          By the way:
          Alex Rodriguez Postseason Batting: .279/.361/.483. Terrible

          For comparison:
          Derek Jeter Posteason Batting: .309/.377/.469. Godlike

          Arod ALCS: .315/.413/.611. CHOKER
          Jeter ALCS: .262/.339/.405. Mythical and gorgeous

          • mustang

            Wow that a lot to say if your going to call him the ” most talented player…ever” then those numbers above are what he should aim for I’m sure with the Yankees he will get his chances.

            • dbroncos31

              Talent has nothing to do with the fact that his teams have all had weak starting pitching. Also using 147 AB as a measure of his talent is not smart.

              Alex Rodriguez is one of the most talented players to ever play the game and also one of the best. He happens to have had 3 bad to mediocre playoff series in his career. Which were comprised of 42 AB.

              His career numbers show that he is one of the best all-time. I will not ignore 7669 regular season ABs to focus on 147 playoff ABs.

              • mustang

                I’m not, but there is different between saying he is one of the best and saying he is the most talented player ever. I would think to hold that title you would need both regular and playoff numbers it has been done.

          • http://keephughes.blogspot.com/ Larry

            Best RAB comment ever.

    • BigBlueAL

      I could care less about all the off-the-field stuff. The fact is he will be with the Yankees for the next 9 years and will go into the HOF as a Yankee. Now if by the time he retires he hasnt won a ring AND continues to struggle in the post-season than by all means rip him to no end. But the fact is in 2004 he single-handedly defeated the Twins in the 1st round and if the Yankees wouldve swept the Sox like they shouldve you couldve argued for ARod as MVP of the series.

      To me the only year he truly deserves criticism was in 2005 vs the Angels. The last 2 years everybody hit like shit and no one player deserves the brunt of the blame (well except for Wang last year I guess). Its difficult because during the championship years under Torre the Yankees didnt have a player anywhere near ARod’s stature or ability yet won 4 titles in 5 years plus another couple of AL pennants in the following 3 years.

      Its safe to say none of us may ever see a better player put on the pinstripes than ARod so we should definitely appreciate his talent and the fact that every time up we expect a HR from him. I just hope the Yankees win a WS in the next few years so ARod could finish his career and chase Bonds’ record with all the fans rooting and cheering for him as if he were a “true Yankee”….

    • mustang

      I have the same questions that Joey H and stuart have about A-Rod and it’s hard some times because I realize the talent he has.
      Until A-Rod helps this team to a championship this greatness will not be compete. It’s what comes with being “the most talented player…ever” and “making the most money…ever.”
      When you’re a Yankee your define by the rings on your finger.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        I think evaluating a player based on his championship success makes no sense. If Michael Jordan did not have Scottie Pippen, he would have not won a single ring. Therefore, if Jordan did not have his six rings, would that not make him the best player in NBA history?

        Does LeBron James not having eleven other NBA quality players on his team (which makes him unable to win a championship) not make him the best player in the NBA currently?

        If Peyton Manning did not have Marvin Harrison, would he not be looked upon as one of the greatest QB’s ever (because there was no way in hell the Colts even make the Super Bowl sans Harrison)?

        Evaluating a player via how many championships he has won is just another way for people to not give credit where it’s due, which I notice is very prevalent amongst sports fans.

        • mustang

          You maybe right but with the rings comes greatness. Manning and Jordan are not only great for their individual achievements but for what those achievements meant to their teams in championships. When great players get a chance in the playoffs they should raise to greatness. If the players around him fail that’s one thing, but if he is part of that failure or does not live up to his abilities that another thing altogether.
          Like said he will get his chances.

          • jsbrendog

            joe montana. thats all i have to say. super bowl, clutch, made it happen with what he had finding someone, anyone, in the end zone….

            arod…he is a great player and looking at his numbers is alrerady one of the greatest player sof all time, no doubt. he is amazing. but watching him, seeing him day in and day out, it doesnt show, to me. I see something everyday that frustartes or pisses me off because he just doesnt come through. at this point, when he comes up i just say well, arods gonna strike out now, and most of the time he does….hate to say it but rivera is getting that way too…oh its a non save situation, he’ll give up a run….but its ok, because he is the ANTI arod, he kills when it counts (yes yesterday he “blew it” but at the time it was a different game then when it ended) and is less unstoppable when it is not as important

            • dbroncos31

              This is what people don’t understand. Everything in baseball is important. If Rivera gives up a run in a 3-3 game in the 9th, it means just as much (actually more) than if he gives up a run in a mythical save situation. Rivera is a fantastic pitcher, but giving up runs in a tie game mean a lot too. As do giving up runs that let a close game slip away.

              Also Arod is a fantastic clutch hitter by your standards. I will quote a post from me further down this page.

              “High Leverage situations: .306 .394 .585
              Medium Leverage: .305 .393 .569
              Low Leverage: .309 .385 .586

              So he’s better with more pressure on him.

              OPS
              Tie game: .971
              Within 1 run: .983
              Within 2 runs: .957
              Within 3 runs: .969
              Within 4 runs: .971
              Margin >4 runs: .956

              Again, better in the “clutch.”

              Late and close: .905.

              Worse, but still fantastic.

              Innings 7-9: .910.

              I can go on all day.

              Extra innings: .981

              In summation, Alex Rodriguez is really really really really good at baseball”

              Arod’s career numbers are those of someone who is a beast in every situation, be it “clutch” or “normal.”

              This year’s 300 PA mean way less than his previous 8300. Also, while his high leverage numbers are much worse than they normally are for him (.778 OPS vs. .979 career OPS) we are talking about a very small sample size of 74 PA vs. 8800 for his career.

        • mustang

          I thought the idea of playing sports was to try and win, champions hopefully, not individual stats. If it’s not about winning then why keep score?

  • stuart

    Why would anyone want maddux? Look at his #’s in the ultimate pitching park, he is done.. he is fried. He is a poor mans Mike Mussina…

    You think Josh Bard is the missing piece to this offense? How about jeter, abreu, arod, giambi, matsui, cano, and cabrera to name a few play better.. Just an idea…maybe the guys who make the most dinero and bat in the top of the order will actually play better..

    Yeah tonight 7 thru 9 stunk but that does not matter; giambi left numerous runners, so did arod, etc.

  • Joey H

    im off here, i got to go watch jobas start tomorrow. ill get a huge RAB sign, i got front row first base side seats. hopefully they can pull this out out. sweet dreams folks.

  • Neil

    The idea is that we cannot replace this year’s jeter, abreu, a-rod, etc. by trading last for last year’s ones. However, we can make an upgrade in the catching situation. I know EVERYONE and their mother is saying that Molina is such a great defensive catcher, and rightfully so. BUT THE GUY IS HITTING .220ish WITH 0 HRS and almost NEVER WALKS. He’s basically a Henry Blanco in his “glory “days. That’s why we need Bard. Bard’s a very underrated catcher, who is good all-around. AND is under control for next season.

    IDK if Maddux would want to come to NY, but if he does I don’t see why he can’t be an upgrade over Ponson. Also, Maddux works as a mild salary dump. I know that he has a 6 ERA outside of Petco, but if u look closely at this stat, he’s been fairly good on the road besides at ARI and COl. More importatly, I think he has the smarts to be relatively sucessful in the AL (IF Justin DUSCHERE(sp) can do it Maddux def. can) Also Maddux is a GREAT influence on young pitchers, which will be great when we call up our young guns in SEP, or maybe a few of them before then.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Josh Bard, 30, is hitting .217/.289/.297 with 1 HR. Jose Molina who’s hitting .229/.279/.307 with 0 HR in many more plate appearances. For his career, Bard is a very slightly average hitter who is absolutely terrible at stopping the running game. As much as it pains me to say it, I’d probably stick with Molina this season and hope that surgery is the cure for what ails Jorge.

  • stuart

    Jamal, you did not answer the real question.. WHy a guy as talented as Arod, cannot hit with RISP.. The difference thsi year is 75 pts I think. WHy are his late inning 3’s similar.. Yeah people hate him because he is good looking, makes alot of money etc. but there is more to it. .

    He struck out tonight on a 88 MPH ball 3 in the 9th with 2 runners on base. Was last yrs. clutchness a 1 flukey yr. He is 33 and quote the best palyer in the game and he never has been to the WS….

    I just do not get it.. This team is I think 4th worst with RISP, why???These guys are vets…

    There is more to arods failures then people are jealous of him… WHy can’t it just be he is a choker??? Do the 3’s prove differently?

    Like Cano under a 100 with the bases loaded, is that a anamoly or something wornd with his approach?? These results large sample sizes are not just random events…..

    • dbroncos31

      Alex Rodriguez Career #s with RISP: .304/.404/.555.
      RISP is a terribly flawed sta as it basically is made up of LUCK. This is why you see supposed “clutch” guys like Ortiz suddenly struggle in the clutch. Because RISP is a small sample size year to year and therefore is subject to more random fluctuations than most other stats.

      Arod with men on vs. Arod bases empty:
      .312 .397 .589 vs. .303 .382 .570

      So he hits better in his career with men AND with RISP than with the bases empty. Even this year, where he “cannot hit with RISP”, he has an f-ing .409 OBP!!!

      Sorry to burst your Arod-hating bubble.

      • dbroncos31

        Also for your clutch stats:

        High Leverage situations: .306 .394 .585
        Medium Leverage: .305 .393 .569
        Low Leverage: .309 .385 .586

        So he’s better with more pressure on him.

        OPS
        Tie game: .971
        Within 1 run: .983
        Within 2 runs: .957
        Within 3 runs: .969
        Within 4 runs: .971
        Margin >4 runs: .956

        Again, better in the “clutch.”

        Late and close: .905.

        Worse, but still fantastic.

        Innings 7-9: .910.

        I can go on all day.

        Extra innings: .981

        In summation, Alex Rodriguez is really really really really good at baseball.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          Shut your mouth, you guys living in your mother’s basements have no idea that players play the game!!1!!1!1! I know what I see!1!!11

          • dbroncos31

            YES! Star Trek is on and Mom’s making me some meatloaf!!!

  • stuart

    whenever there is a 3 in my post it should be #.

    sorry it is late even in California.

  • Neil

    Bard’s been injured most of the yr. Look at his stats from last year and the year before and keep in mind that he plays half his games at PETCO.

    2006 w/ SD: 338/406/537 in 231 AB
    2007 w/ SD: 285/364/404 in 389 AB

    I was under the impression that Bard’s above average defensively as long as he isn’t catching Wakefield.

  • Hybrid Moments

    Stop pitching to Kevin Millar. This guy has killed the Yankees his entire career and has hit almost half his HRs this year against the Yankees. When is enough enough?

  • BigBlueAL

    Have you guys read the complete opposite quotes from Damon and Girardi regarding Damon’s shoulder prior to tonight’s game since Damon played LF tonight?? Damon said his shoulder will bother him for the rest of the season and when he plays LF he will just have to suck it up and manage the pain. Yet Girardi said Damon told him Sunday night he is pain-free and that is why he was playing LF tonight. Is it me or is Girardi that horrible with the media that he honestly thinks he can just say whatever positive crap he wants and not have it be scrutinized??

    I mean I could care less about the way Girardi handles the media since everybody knows he isnt/wont be anywhere near as good as Torre was at handling the media. Again it doesnt affect my opinion of Girardi as a manager (which so far isnt a great one but its still early in his tenure) but it might eventually annoy/piss some of his players off if this continues and he keeps making them look somewhat bad in the media. Already you have had Moose earlier in the season along with Posada and now potentially Damon have some issues through the media with Girardi and the alarming part is that these are veterans you are talkin about….

  • LiveFromNewYork

    You can’t win big games in the playoffs if you can’t win a regular season at home against the Orioles. You have to beat these kinds of games. I apologized to Girardi (not directly) for all the smack I talked about him earlier but some of these decisions were just stupid.

    And like Cano has to learn to hit in the first half, Mo need to pitch in non-save or else put someone else in. neither of these things are funny.

    • mustang

      “You can’t win big games in the playoffs if you can’t win a regular season at home against the Orioles.”

      Agree I thought they were done losing stupid games to stupid teams I guess not.

    • dbroncos31

      Teams that have won big games in the playoff while losing to the Orioles at home, last 5 years:
      Boston 2007
      Cleveland 2007
      Detroit 2006
      Oakland 2006
      Chicago 2005
      Los Angeles 2005
      Boston 2004
      New York 2004
      New York 2003
      Boston 2003

      Apparently losing to Baltimore at home doesn’t mean as much as you think it does. And yes I’m being a dick.

      • mustang

        Weather your being a dick or not is the not the question.
        But as Ben put it:
        “If the Yanks miss the playoffs by a game, this is as good a culprit as any to earn that “coulda, shoulda, woulda” label. It truly was a team effort.”
        That’s why maybe it’s not a good idea to lose game like last night that’s all.

        • mustang

          whether

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          Yeah but there are quite a share of games where you can point to in a season where a team “coulda, shoulda, woulda” won the game. Teams have these types of games where they just don’t pull it out. You’re not going to win every single 1-Run game, hell, the Yanks have the third best (MIL and TEX are 1, 2) record in MLB in 1-Run games. They are not going to be perfect.

          Just like how every team is going to have a handful of stinkers, those same teams are going to have a handful of frustrating losses such as these. A lot of things happen in a 162-game season, there is no need to harp over one game in July.

          Outside of the Angels (whose Pythagorean record should improve over the course of the season with their big new bat), there is no “class” of the A.L., we are one of the second-tier teams along with our two A.L. East competitors. We are in good shape.

          • mustang

            Agree.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        No, you’re not being a dick. Comments like ‘losing to a bad team at home during regular season play dooms you for October success’ deserve responses such as yours.

  • TurnTwo

    I’m going to avoid being too negative… going into the Angels series, i had hoped they would win 9 out of 12 games, and if Joba helps get the job done today, thats what they will have done.

    of course, you expect them to be able to beat a team like the Orioles, and go into the Anaheim series with a little more momentum, but sh*t happens.

    they are still just 2 GB of the WC, and pitching reinforcements are on teh way in some way, shape or form. just gotta hope the offense can get in a grove and remain consistent over the long haul.

  • A.D.

    Glaring issues with last nights game for me were Nady not starting, and Rasner in the 7th.

    We just traded for Nady to play every day and hope he continues what he’s been doing, he doesn’t need a day off already, especially since he essentially got a day off on Friday, he needs to be in the line-up every day batting 5-7. If you want to give A-Rod the day off from the field, you start Nady in center and sit Melky, Yanks need to make up ground and having a blackhole in the line-up 7-9 isn’t going to help

  • Chris V.

    You guys never miss a chance to bash melky, simply amazing! The guy hit a rocket line drive to center field that was caught. There were some bad at bats in those last two innings but that was definately not one of them. Also didnt he throw someone out at the plate last night? The Melky bashing is ridiculous

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      So you’re satisfied with Melky as our center fielder?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Results aside that was a questionable At-Bat, but I agree, to criticize him over it is a little much. Also, he did not throw out Nick Markakis last night, the ball tailed up the first base line.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      What isn’t ridiculous is our questioning Melky’s ability to hold down a center field job. What is ridiculous is the following:

      -Melky has three years of MLB experience under his belt, and in each year, he’s gotten worse.

      -Outside of a great April and a good first week in April, Melky is hitting .230/.278/.283 over 287 plate appearances. Having a starting center fielder with that many PAs and that little production is hurting the team. Sure, he’s the number 9 hitter, but the average number 9 hitter in the AL is doing better than that.

      -The Yankees’ sitting Xavier Nady, who admittedly doesn’t play much center but can actually hit, over Melky Cabrera.

      What will take for the Melky fan club to understand that what you see is what you get with Cabrera? He’s not a viable center field option.

  • SDYankee

    Why does Giambi get a pass?? If he comes through in the first with a runner on third or in the third with the bases loaded the Yankees probably don’t need late inning heroics.

    I know he got a single with 2nd and 3rd in the ninth inning…something that would not have occurred if he came through earlier.

  • Chris V.

    The things I’m not satisfied with:

    1. Ponson being our #4 pitcher
    2. Rasner being our #5 pitcher
    3. Cano being one of the worst second baseman in the league for more than half the season
    4. Declines by Jeter and Abreu
    5. Kennedy and Hughes giving this team nothing
    6. Melky Cabrera’s season long offensive woes

    I think most of the “Melky Cabrera fanclub” whatever that is, realizes that melky has had a down year offensively, but also realizes that he is the number 9 hitter in a line up of all-stars, and plays great defense. Melky is a problem, but a small one, and not one that should be getting much scrutiny when there are at least 5 other major problems with the Yankees this year.

  • Chris V.

    Thanks for correcting me Jamal I didnt see the play, only a brief highlight clip on YES going to commercial. There were some bad at bats in those last two innings (A-rod, Cano, Betemit) but Melky’s was not one of them

  • Joey H

    .. real mature. give me a real agrument. a reason to like him. sure he’ll put up 40 hrs 120 rbi, the guy cant get a big hit if he was paid to do it. OH WAIT! he is getting paid almost 30 mill. what a coincidence.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    You’re not helping your point. You just sound like you’re bitter and jealous with a predisposition to hate A-Rod as the other commenter assumes.

    Here; I’ll help you.

    In close and late games, A-Rod was hitting just .220/.360/.366 in 50 plate appearances prior to tonight. He’s not coming through in the clutch as well this year as he did last year. That’s for sure. He’s also not hitting well with runners in scoring position and two outs.

    But!

    But the runs that the team scores earlier in the game count just as much as they do late in the game. They just seem less important because of the urgency of the matter in the 9th overshadowing the reality of the matter. A-Rod’s home run, as the first Yankee run of the game, buys him some credit. He failed in the 9th but he came through earlier on. I guess you could say the same for Cano as well, but at that point, Robbie was up with the tying run in scoring position; A-Rod was up as the tying run when it was 7-4.

    And the money has nothing to do with it really. He should come through because he’s one of the best players ever to play the game and not because he’s getting paid a lot. The two have little to do with each other in the heat of a close game in the 9th inning.

  • Joey H

    ok if you didnt support my point then i dont know what you did. not much i can say here. and believe me im not jealous of alex rodriguez hes humping madonna for crying out loud

  • Steve

    As Paul O’Niell pointed out, what bugs you is the way A-Rod’s AB’s change in big situations. He tries to do everything himself, and I just wish he would get that idea out of his head. Giambi knew enough to cut down on his swing with 2 strikes, A-Rod is still swinging for the fences.

    That being said, he’s putting up another big season and we’d be dead without him. He’s also been remarkably ‘heads up’ quite a few times this year, notably a few times this week. Backing up the play at 2nd and getting the runner out a few nights ago, and last night when he noticed the CF lolly gagging the relay throw and scoring from 3rd on that play. Jeter does either of those plays and were building monuments, A-Rod does them and “he’s supposed to, he makes 30 mil”.

  • jsbrendog

    i watch almost every game and even though i know its not the case i fee l like everytime i wtch an arod at bat he strikes out