Open Thread: The Yankees we have, not the Yankees we want

Hank doesn't rule out Bonds
Near no-no in Scranton

With apologies to Donald Rumsfeld for the headline…

Let’s assume for a minute something rather unlikely: The Yankees will make no trades this year prior to the deadline. Therefore, the team as it is now is the team we will have after the season ends whether that be in September or October.

As the Yankees stand now, the 2008 edition will look vastly different from the one on the field come Opening Day 2009. Of the high-price free agents hitting the market this winter, the Yanks have their fare share of them. Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Mussina, Bobby Abreu, Jason Giambi, Andy Pettitte and LaTroy Hawkins (if he makes it that long) will all be off the books.

But besides the money, the Yankees will have roster spots to fill. The losses of Abreu and Giambi will create big holes in the middle of the lineup. The pending free agencies of Moose and Pettitte would leave the Yanks without two pitching stalwarts, and even Kyle Farnsworth has turned himself into a useful part this year.

Tonight, as we suffer through yet another evening with no Yankee game, let’s turn our thoughts to 2009. What should the Yankees do?

They could — and probably will — work out a reduced-cost extension with Jason Giambi. They owe him $5 million if they don’t pick up his $22 million option next year. But Mark Teixeira‘s impending free agency looms large over any discussion of first base. And somehow the Yanks will have to fill Bobby Abreu’s outfield spot. Austin Jackson isn’t ready yet.

Andy Pettitte will come back if he wants to come back, and I have to believe that he’ll want to be there to open the new Yankee Stadium after his long tenure in pinstripes. But what about Mussina? A few months’ shy of 40, he’s pitching his way toward a multi-year deal if he wants it. Should the Yanks — with young pitching galore — wave good bye to Mussina? Or should they subscribe to the philosophy that one can never have too much pitching?

And then there are the free agents. CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets are both hitting the market at the same time. The lefty — healthier, better — will want Johan Santana money while Sheets is an injury risk but won’t expect a six- or seven-year deal. A.J. Burnett is also an intriguing name.

So have some fun with this, and try to be realistic. Who do you want to see in the Bronx next year? What moves should the Yanks make? Who should they pursue in free agency and which of their own players should they eschew signing to new deals? And just what do you do with the enigma that is Kyle Farnsworth?

Hank doesn't rule out Bonds
Near no-no in Scranton
  • BigBlueAL

    One thing is for sure, I DONT want a repeat of this season where we went into the season relying so heavily on a couple of young starting pitchers who so far have 0 wins combined this season. At the least the Yankees should have a solid front 4 with Wang and Joba already signed and many options available to them for the other 2 spots. Hughes should be penciled in as the 5th starter next year at best and it wont be a crime if he starts off next season at AAA. Heck I would re-sign Pettitte and Moose AND sign another starter (not necessarily Sabathia or Sheets due to the money) or trade for one and not even have Hughes or IPK penciled in for the rotation at the start of next season.

    To me regardless of what they do with the offense as long as their rotation is solid and the young arms in the bullpen continue to emerge the offense will take care of itself. Maintaining this solid bullpen and getting back to having a solid rotation like they had from 98-99 and even as recently as 2003 is the most important factor in the design of the 2009 Yankees and beyond….

  • Ari

    The Farnsworth question is the easiest. The team has so many promising prospects who could relieve that it makes no sense to spend money on Farnsworth based on this one good year. I actually kind of like Farnsworth, but the Yanks have more than enough young pitching talent to build a bullpen without spending big on it. Given all the money coming off the books I’d say the best free agent signing would be C.C. over Tex. First off pitching wins championships, and as much as it seems that the team needs another big bat I’m pretty confident in what Damon, Jeter, Cano, Arod, Giambi (on a short and cheap contract) could do. C.C. is young and awesome, and paired with Joba, Wang, and Pettite would give us one of the best staffs in the league. Looking a couple of years down the line it seems to me like we’re going to want to have Montero at first (cause I don’t think he’s gonna stay a catcher given that the organization also has Romine) and signing Tex to a long contract clogs up the position. As much as I love Mussina, and as well as he’s pitching, I think you got to let him walk unless he’s willing to take a one year deal.

    • nmc

      I agree, and I apologize if this is somewhere else in the comments, but I’d rather give CC 5 years and 100 million than 7 for 120. that is, I’d rather up the price for the next few years (how about 3 years at 22 million per?) than have an albatross of a contract.

  • UpstateYank

    I have personally always been a big fan of Ben Sheets (when healthy… obviously). It is probably naive to think he has turned a corner as far as injuries go if he makes it through the rest of this season, but the idea of paying all that money and all those years to someone as large as Sabathia has to make anyone a little gun shy (even though I heard for a big man he tries to keep himself in the best condition).

  • dkidd

    where can i find a list of free agents?

    also, according to MLBTR, the washburn deal is picking up steam and melky/gardner have been mentioned

  • http://www.thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

    The team could be:

    LF – Damon
    SS – Jeter
    RF – Burrell
    3B – A-Rod
    1B – Teixeira
    DH – Giambi
    C – Posada
    2B – Cano
    CF – Melky

    I think I’d be fine with this.

    I’d lose Farnsworth in the offseason. As long as the team can continue to bring in their own young arms (from the minors), they’ll be fine. Actually, I think the team should try and churn out as many BP arms as they can on the cheap, then just trade them down the road. The rotation will be harder to figure out.

    SP – CC
    SP – Joba
    SP – Pettitte
    SP – Moose
    SP – Hughes

    It’s tough because Kennedy and Ben Sheets deserve looks. I’d take Moose back, but if he loses anymore heat on his fastball, it could be a wrap for him.

    • http://www.thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

      Oh yea, let’s not forget about Wang, haha. It’s going to be tough, but as you said, I think the Yanks will go with the “you can never have too much pitching” concept.

      • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

        lmao chien ming whooooo?

    • Sherman

      Wang?

    • Manimal

      As long as Moose’s fastball maintains its movement and he can keep the hook where he wants it he can still pitch. So what if he loses a couple mph.

    • Gerry

      Yanks need to make a trade to make next years lineup work.

      Pithcing

      1) Sabathia – he’s late twenties lefty (yanks need a lefty) his arm will hold up and form a dynamic frontline with…
      2) Joba Chamberlain – he hasn’t disappointed yet. he’s only getting better.
      3) Wang – sounds MUCH better as a three.
      4) Pettitte – AWESOME four.
      5) Whoever – my money is on Hughes, but Horne, Kennedy, McCutchen, could audition.

      Lineup

      1) Damon (DH) – he could play some outfield too, but this will do him some good.
      2) Jeter (SS) – just need to be solid in the field do his thing. Consistent.
      3) Can0 (2B) – when he hits in the second half, he would be a huge cog in the middle of the lineup. We bet that next year he grows up.
      4) A-Rod – Consistent, will be good in this lineup. keep compiling numbers and hustle and play solid third. Not dangerous, law of averages says he’ll hit in the post season and have a moment… but he’s not clutch.
      5) Texeria (1B) – haven’t seen him hit much, but he fields, he’s young, hes a lefty and he has good at-bats. he’s in.
      6) Bay (RF) – in a trade with the Pirates the Yankees surprise and get this year’s center fielder and next years right.
      7) Molina/Posade (C) – lets hope Posada gets surgery so he can get right for next year or they are gonna have to make a deal next year at the deadline.
      8 and 9) Matsui/Gardner/ Damon/ Cabrera.. eventually Jackson and don’t sleep on Tabata (CF/LF) – If the yanks hold on to all of them this will be a platoon.

      Bullpen
      fuentes (LHRP) – in a trade
      Melancon (RHRP) – takes the place of Farnsworth
      Robertson
      Ramirez
      Veres
      Rivera
      in the Wings – Ohlendorf, Cox, and others

      THIS TEAM CAN HAPPEN WITH THE PARTS AND CAP SPACE LEAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO MANAUVER and WIN THE FIRST IN A LINE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS

      • Mark

        Ok I know a ton of money is coming off the books but lets not get ahead of ourself…I’m surprised so many people see us getting both Sabathia and Texeria. We’ve got about 85 million coming off the books this year. If we sign Tex and CC thats like 40 million for 2 players. We also need a right fielder and more pitchers. This is going to be ridiculously expensive. Especisally if we bring back Andy and Moose. Also I’m curious as how you see us getting Jason Bay? Who are we trading? Same question for Fuentes. Who are we trading for these players? This team and roster you came up with sounds great but I’d like to see how we’ll get them all…REALISTICALLY!

  • Sherman

    Haha, didn’t get that last one in in time

  • Manimal

    When was the last time the Yankees had a good defensive first basemen that could hit. They usually always have 2, one who hits but cant field and one who can field but not hit. Texiera is a perfect match for the yankees. Sign Giambi and keep Matsui both get injuries and it would be smart to keep both. Bring back Moose since he seems to have reinvented himself. Pettite Maybe. Drop Rasner/Ponson and pick up CC Sabathia. That means that the yankees will have a total of 3 Aces on their team with Phil Hughes in the bullpen who is a potential Ace in a couple of years, he has some learning to do. IPK can go bye-bye. Bullpen seems fine as it is.

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      I think alot will be answered in reguards to the offseason after the deadline, with who we will part with EHEM IPK. and even farnsy. and what if they make an out of no where trade for big tex?

    • Old Ranger

      Phil is a no go for the BP. Start him in AAA this year and then winter league. Next year, start him in AAA and let him get ready for the big show…there are always injuries to pitchers. Also, he needs to work on his pitches for command/control…with all that work, he should be ready by ST or thereafter. 27/08??

      • Ivan

        No, I am wasting Hughes in AAA for a whole year. Look was he bad sure, but it was only for a couple of starts and if he was healthy would probably improve as the season went along. I think Hughes struggles were both about growning pains and bad luck.

        You worry about the innings but if he’s healthy I can really see Hughes next season breaking out.

        • christopher

          what about hughes breaking in in the bullpen .a plan similar to the successful one we saw with joba

          • Old Ranger

            Because he is a lot different pitcher then Joba, and needs the work on his pitches for command/control. He will do that in winter and AAA, should be ok by ST 2009…maybe even this year, one never knows. 27/08??

        • Old Ranger

          That is what I said. With the work this year and winter league, he should be ready by ST. And I am very old school …I don’t worry about innings, I worry about the quality of the innings pitched. 27/08??

  • http://burnsnathan@gmail.com NB

    I know it would mean a lot of OFs on the roster, but if the Bo Sox don’t keep Manny, the Yanks should offer him a 2 or 3 year deal to come mash in the Bronx. Obviously he’s a pain in the neck at times, but I think he would love to play in New York.

    CC and Teixeira should be priorities. I’m okay living with Melky in CF. He can’t hit but if the rest of the lineup is made up of guys like A-Rod, Jeter, Cano, (hopefully) Teixeira, Damon, etc., that’s not a big concern.

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      please tell me you just didnt say manny..

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      i would avoid C.C. his career ERA at yankee stadium i think is thru the roof.

      • http://www.ilikemygirls.com Seven Costanza

        good thing he won’t be pitching in this yankee stadium then.

        • steve (different one)

          i don’t think Sabathia has pitched in the Bronx in about 4 years.

      • http://www.comicsidontunderstand.com Bill Bickel

        “i would avoid C.C. his career ERA at yankee stadium i think is thru the roof” isn’t a logical argument: It’s not necessarily the stadium that’s his problem, but rather the fact that he doesn’t pitch well against the Yankees — and that would hardly be a factor if he is a Yankee.

        For that matter, even if it’s the stadium itself, the stadium won’t be here next year.

        • Mark

          same dimensions though…not arguing just saying

  • dkidd

    pitching pitching pitching. and i’d be willing to sacrifice some offense to get younger/improve the defense at first base and the outfield. how is texeira (spelling) in the field? can burrell play right field any better than abreu? am i the only one who thinks sizemore will age quickly?

  • Old Ranger

    I would go this year “With what brung us”. Things are starting to come together a bit.
    Next year is a little different; Big G; maybe (not sold on it) with a lesser contract, but then what about Matsui…Matsui is one hell of a DH. Farnsy ok, if a good contract…keep him. Bobby, let him go…bad defence. Bring back Andy and Moose, Andy yes Moose (getting old is a real Bi#$h) no…we need the rotation spot for CC and others. The Hawk, Wilson, maybe even Melky can and should be replaced.
    Next year, I believe the team will try an improve the defence; 1st base, OF mainly. With a lighter hitting team (unless they can find a good hitter that can also play good D) I think that Very Good Pitching and very Good defence can do the job. Unless they think Melky is just having “One of those Years”, blow him off. There is a lot to like about Melkys’ play, but if this is what he is…bye, bye.
    A rotation of CMW, Joba, CC, Andy and one of many would be a great start…if healthy. How say you? 27/08??

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      There is a lot to like about Melkys’ play

      Like when he waved to the Bleacher Creature and forgot to field the ball. I love that youthful idiocy enthusiasm.

      • Ivan

        Give the guy a break come on. Even if he does suck.

      • Old Ranger

        Hi Ben…
        Yes, I do like Melky. He is still only a kid and started off the year very good, but something went very wrong…I don’t know what it was but it hurt his (dare I say it) confidence or something, and just snowballed. Watching him at bat is like seeing a deer in the headlights…no clue. One can see how hard he is trying…maybe that’s the trouble, trying to hard. 27/08??

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          To be honest, I think it’s just that he isn’t very good. Except for a brief stint at AAA, he never put up very good offensive numbers in the Minors, and his career MiLB OBP of .344 just isn’t very good. The power’s never been there either. What he showed in April was that any player can have a good month. Just ask Shane Spencer and Benny Agbayani about that.

          • Ivan

            Chris Shelton.

            • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

              remember him lol

          • Old Ranger

            Can’t argue with what you have said, but players do get a clue and take off…sometimes. Maybe he will, remember he is still a kid (I said that before) 24 years old? He still has room to grow…one can hope! Oh, well I still like Brett. I know, don’t tell me…I pick lossers. He is still a lot better then he has shown thus far. 27/08??

  • Old Ranger

    A little late with this. 27/08??

  • aaron

    tex and cc def, the question is what to do about the of spot, I’m wary of resigning abreu, who is out there for that of spot?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Milton Bradley. Do it.

    • aaron

      dude…that just might do it injury risk but…if hes willing to sign for a reasonable price. maybe low cost and extra years for security would do it. i mean a one or two year deal is ideal but i doubt hed do it

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      maybe if joe girardi swears he wont pull or push or shove or hold him back out of the way on an arguing call at first base.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      I’d do that.

      Milton Bradley’s got mad game.

    • SDYankee

      I like bring in Milton. With guys like Damon, Jeter, Matsui…I think his rants can be kept under control. Ialso think we need an upgrade in CF. Mark Kotsay?? In the days of the dynasty, the Yankees had 4 OFs, usually a platoon in LF, let’s return to those days: Damon, Melky, Kotsay & Bradley. Justin Christian or Shelly Duncan is a 5th OFer off the bench to PH or PR.

      No on Tex!!!! He’s gonna want 7/140 and compared to other 1st baseman in the league that is way too much (llok at Puljos- $13.5 M)

      No on CC and Sheets…long term/high dollar deals for pitchers do not work, does the name Barry Zito ring a bell? Carl Pavano? etc…go for a back of the rotation guy ala Ryan Dempster or Jarred Washburn via trade or Moose if he is willing to take 2/30% career caught stealing marks and a platoon with Molina will help the defense & pitching.

  • dkidd

    anyone but burrell

    • Ivan

      Burrell is better player than what people think and he’s slightly underrated. He walks, he will have a high OBP, and of course power. Now he sucks a fielder and I would take Bradley over him if he was healthy but I wouldn’t mind Burrell as my DH hitter at a reasonable price.

      • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

        but how would an everyday fielder respond to the DH style of play? thats a factor you MUST consider

  • Jake H

    I say go after CC. My problem with Tex is he is 29 and probably wants a 10 yr deal since he’s never had a big money deal. If he will ake 6 yrs 20 mil I say sign him. I think you say goodbye to Giambi, Farnsworth and Bobby. You either bring back Pettitte or Moose, not both.

    • Old Ranger

      I’d sign on for that. 27/08??

    • aaron

      if pettitte/moose will take one or two year deals each sign both but this still leaves a gaping hole in our of

  • vinny-b

    off season:

    Sheets on a 4 year deal.

    return Pettitte

    Fuentes or a comparable bullpen lefty

    Milton Bradley or Rocco Baldelli in RF

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I need to set the record straight here.

      Rocco Baldelli may never play Major League Baseball again. He has a mitochondrial issue that impacts his health, and it’s a long-term, serious and uncurable condition. Counting on him to be a starting outfielder is not a good baseball move.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        He’s close to coming back as a DH though. He’s been playing in rehab games for the last month or so, exclusively as a DH. I’m not saying you should pencil him in for 162 starts in RF next year, but he’s battling his back.

        Baldelli had superstar written all over him.

      • Ivan

        Rocco Baldelli is a huge risk but he is making a comeback. If I was the yankees, I would take a chance on if the circumstances as right. I would put him RF because I just don’t know if his body can hold up running for balls in CF. And if A-Jax is ready you him in CF, and potentially you have a OF with great range and cover tons of ground.

        • mike

          Ive advocated Baldelli signing as a Dotel/Leiber deal, undermarket with a reasonable option if he makes it back – no risk, no brainer.

          • christopher

            i have to take a chance on baldelli – an incentive laden contract with team options. too much talent there to ignore

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            Agreed. Bringing in Baldelli on a low-risk, minor league deal and giving him a fast track and every possible opportunity to win a job is a super smart decision that can pay big rewards.

            Signing Baldelli to a contract of any significance and handing him a job and expecting him to step right in and play everyday is a recipe for disaster.

    • Ivan

      I am not spending money on Relievers period.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Exactly. They’re so damn volatile, why invest big bucks in them? Go with the cheap kids who have good stuff and throw strikes.

        • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

          yeah, as we’ve seen over the past few years soso to bad relievers have turned into servicable relievers E.G. Scott proctor, Jose veras. Edwar ramirez. i remember watching one game where scott proctor walked home the winning run, i think against tampa bay. then he was a go to guy for joe torre. same thing with veras, you can say injuries held him back but look where he is now. i feel very comfortable going to him in a big spot

        • Steve

          “They’re so damn volatile, why invest big bucks in them?”

          Exactly, which is why the home grown guys make so much sense. If one isn’t producing, you option them back to AAA. Not get stuck with a bad free agent contract like we have so often in recent years. ‘Flexibility’, as Cash likes to say.

          But relievers are something we shouldn’t have to worry about for a long time. We have a good group of young guys this year, and some intriguing prospects like Cox, Melancon, Sanchez and Claggett on the way. I suppose we could look for a lefty, maybe sign one (or two) as a free agent. But we should be well stocked in that department for quite some time.

          • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

            ive always said the ONE thing that you must resort to free agency for is a ace pitcher, now lets be brutally honest with outselves, wang isnt an ACE pitcher. doesnt fit the description dispite his 19 win seasons

    • Giovanni

      “Sheets on a 4 year deal”

      After Pavano didn’t people learn to not sign pitchers with a history of not being able to stay healthy? He hasn’t had over 25 starts in the past 3 seasons. He pitches in the NL which helps his numbers. He seems an average AL East starter at best with a high risk of injury who will command 15+ mil per year coming off the fluke season he is having.

      No thanks.

  • BillyBall

    Isn’t Giambis numbers better than Texiera this year? That being said I would bring Texiera with a 4 year deal, maybe 5 at most for his defense. I would bring back Giambi at a significant discount to DH. I would consider trading Melky, which may happen sooner than later. I would let Farns leave even though I do like him. I don’t know if he would even want to return anyhow. Let Abreau leave. DO NOT sign Pat Burrell, he is a defensive liability. He is another DH. Isn’t Vlad a free agent? I have to check that but I would consider signing him if he wanted to come to a 2 year deal. He is a defensive liability as well but not as bad as Burrell. I would go after Sheets because CC is going to the Dodgers. Bring back Pettite. Let Moose ride off into the sunset. My rotation would be:

    Wang
    Pettite
    Joba
    Hughes
    Sheets
    I would love another lefty in that rotation if we don’t go after Sheets that is!

    Damm I know I am missing someone. Well anyway we may have to trade for a RH quality defensive OF to replace Abreau. Wow, this is getting ahead of ourselves. Lets win this dam thing in 2008 and worry about 2009 after that!

    • christopher

      angels have an option on vlad i think

    • Old Ranger

      Next year we would end up with 3 leftys in the line up, if we went with some of these ideas out there. Cano, Matsui, Johnny and two SH.
      Just to remind everyone, Yankees ball park is favorable to leftys. Granted, these last two years (Mostly this year) we have had trouble with leftys…but when you have good left handed hitters they can hit left handed pitchers. The 26 WS are a good testament to that.
      If we go after a good defensive player who is a very good hitter, it should never depend on which side he hits from. Guys like Bobby, Jason, Pauly just a few of the guys that (in their good years) hit leftys very well. Old age is a real pain in the bat speed.

  • dkidd

    we have a team full of designated hitters. anyone we sign/trade for should play at least league average defense. what’s bradley like as an outfielder? what are burrell’s (non-shea) road splits like? he seems like a new york meltdown waiting to happen

    • Ivan

      Did you know where Pat Burrell plays currently. Do you honestly believe he will wilt under the NY pressure?

      • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

        well once he gets used tto big games the media should be no problem, phillie is said to have one of the toughest media out there

      • dkidd

        good point, but philly is still not new york. and citizen’s bank is like playing with an aluminum bat. burrell can hit, but we enough outfielder’s who can’t catch the ball

        • Ivan

          Well that might be a problem sure. Citizen’s Bank is band box and Yankee stadium isobviously is going to play bigger.

          Nevertheless, the last thing that would affect Burrell is pressure. The guy is a former #1 pick and plays infront of argueably the most ravage fans in sports. Sure NY and Boston fans are tough but Philly fans are just in a league of their own. Ask JD Drew, McNabb, Mike Schdmit and of course Santa Claus.

          • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

            hoesntly i want a guy to play the wall and not be petrified of it. stop taking phillie outfielders and get a gold glover. someone who WONT DH unless of injury.two good outfielders, 1 who can play death valley and one who can play the wall in right

            • Ivan

              Well Burrell is terrible as a OF period whether he’s afraid of the wall or not. I would use him a full time DH but I take Bradley over him. Nevertheless, Burrell is a very good hitter.

            • Ivan

              The only GG OF I can think of who’s available is Baldelli and of course he’s rarely healthy but I’ll take a chance on him.

              • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

                i think we have to stop gambling on “rarely healthy” players becasue we are gonna sign enough that we expect to BE healthy E.G. pavano, brown ect…

  • daniel

    i know that it’s taboo to suggest this, but i have to say that i would love to see manny ramirez in pinstripes. say what you will about “manny being manny”, he is arguably the greatest hitter of our generation, and has even expressed interest in the past about playing in new york. Matsui/Damon pencilled in at DH opens up left field for him (though he looks extremely lazy in LF, he has proven that he is not a totally inept defensive outfielder, and has worked extremely hard to learn how to play the Monster at Fenway. All signs point to him continuing to work that hard if learning a new LF to play).
    He is 36, which is a little concerning, and has occasionally been cramped by injuries, by the time he can no longer play the field, there should be an open spot for him at DH. The yanks simply should not pass on an opportunity to have possibly the greatest hitter of the past 20 years playing in his hometown.
    even though he’s been effective, i have absolutely no trust in Kyle Farnsworth. it is so frustrating to see a guy with a 95+ fastball and a wicked slider have so little composure. i am more than willing to part ways with everyone’s favorite peanut butter cookie baker, despite the fact that he has actually had a bit of success (knock on wood) in a yankee uniform.

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      i wouldnt quite take his “INTEREST in playing in NY” seriously. He loves to piss off managment. saying that will do so.

    • Steve

      He’s 36, declining as a player, and his Manny being Manny stuff won’t fly here. Especially as he ages and produces less.

      Brilliant hitter, but no thanks.

      • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

        but hey yankees love getting declining due to age players. NO MANNY TO NY! lol

  • John NY

    If you look at the dynasty team, we had thump PLUS pitching. Cashman has done a great job protecting internal assets to be a major player if he chooses, in the offseason. Here’s a great formula: solid defense up the middle:

    Melky (one more year)
    Cano
    Jeter
    Posada (let’s pray)

    cornerfielder who can thump and have high on base %

    Damon
    Holliday (Make the trade—Tabata in a package)

    Corner fielders who can field and hit
    ARod
    Tex

    Starting pitching can shape up like this:

    CC
    Wang
    Pettite
    Joba
    Hughes/Moose (sign him for a year and make hughes earn it this go around)

    Flexible bullpen shapes up like this

    Robertson
    Edwar
    Veras
    Rivera
    Melancon/Sanchez/Cox

    Flexible bench
    Molina
    ??
    ??

    By my calculations, it’ll cost the yankees approx. $78 million to bring in the new players for this squad

    Any good?

    • Jake K.

      How is Hughes supposed to “earn it” this go round? He got the call up last time because he was absolutely destroying the minor leagues. His numbers were ridiculous. What else is he supposed to do?

      • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

        IM pretty sure he means “absolutely destroy” the major leagues

  • Old Ranger

    I must admit that I have spent so much time running around the minor leagues watching our players that I am not up to speed on the other players in the NL or AL West.
    So I will leave the trade fores, up to you guys (and gals). One must not forget, there is a plethora of MiL players out there to be had, for the right price. We do need position players do we not? 27/08??

  • Realist

    Expect the unexpected……………..just my 2 cents ;-)

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yeah no kidding. How many people expected to see Sidney Ponson in pinstripes again?

      • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

        once he was released i definately expected it, im just suprised chacon hasnt come over here, especially with rasners terrible strech. chacon is on great terms with alot of the players and cashman

  • Jake H

    Because the Yanks are financing a new stadium don’t they get a break on the luxury tax?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yeah, they can deduct construction costs from theit luxury tax payment. At least I think that’s how it works.

      • steve (different one)

        not luxury tax. revenue sharing.

  • mike

    Go all-out for Holliday, letting Abreu go. Let the Rockies back up the truck and chose from the minor leagues a very generous package, as we have seen offensive players are significantly harder to develop than pitchers.

    Bring back Pettite and Moose -at worst they slide back a spot in the rotation after a signing, at best it gives protection to the 5th starter/ young guys

    Show me Sabathia, and if not Sheets. Im afraid CC’s arm may drag a bit at the beginning of next year because of the abuse he is taking ( much like it did at the beginning of this year) and the pressure, but he slides right to the top of the rotation and adds a lefty/K dimension which we sorely lack, and was always a part of successful teams at the Stadium in the past.

    Sign Gregg Zaun as a catcher – he was close to signing 2 years ago, and he is still a viable player. I can see him working with Molina, with Molina sliding back as the back-up for 2009.

    Put Posada at 1B to protect his shoulder, and locate a back-up 1B/outfielder who can spell him for 20-25 games. Posada goes back to split catching in 2010 with Zaun after Molina is a FA.

    Lets Farns walk, and show me Sanchez/Melancon/Cox etc for that spot, and stick Rasner in the hawkins mop-up/long guy roll.

    Have Damon in left, Matsui as DH – and pray Ajax develops to take over for Melky.

    OR Sign Cabrera from the Chisox to play shortstop, move Sir Derek to CF, and Melky is the 4th OF as he should be.

    Thus

    Damon
    Jeter
    Holladay
    ARod
    Matsui
    Cano
    O. Cabrera
    Posada
    Zaun/Molina

    Melky
    Broussard/Mench/Kapler-type

    CC
    Wanger
    Joba
    Pettite
    Moose
    6th starter Hughes (or whomever Rox didn’t take)

    Mo
    Ramirez
    Robertson
    Veras
    Melancon/Sanchez/Horne
    Rasner/Britton/Geise
    Cox
    Brunney

    Cost a bunch of $, but damn it were paying alot for tickets anyway!

    • Ivan

      Unless Moose signs a one year deal with some incentives, I would let him walk after the year. Hey he has been great and exceeded expectation. But the same people who now wanna resign the guy are the same people who wanted him gone after the 08 season.

      Mussina has given the yanks much more than what is anticipated but letting him walk wouldn’t be the worst idea. Plus, you probablt replace him with either Sabathia or Sheets. Plus, Hughes will be much better this 09 season and hopefully he can be healthy. Hey again, Hughes as bad but it was only for a couple starts in the beginning of the year, and I believe he would of improve as the season went on if he wasn’t hurt. Hughes is too talented to struggle like that.

      Now would I sign Sheets, if he was cheaper, maybe but a NL pitcher comming over the AL (especially the AL EAST) is risky. Sheets is probably going to get a 4year and I’ll be shocked if he recieve more years than that.

      • mike

        I love Sheets, and I would almost certainly take the gamble if they lost out on CC – but you do need a “starter in waiting” for 8 starts a year for when he breaks-down, and he will throw alot of innings this year because of the Brewers push.

        I would do a 1+1 deal with Moose – i think you could always flip him to the Phillies if he slipped or became un-needed.

        With the innings-conscious Yanks (and all of baseball) its going to be tough to get Hughes to the 120 innings this season so he will be effective (a la Joba) next year, so unless the Yanks can find someone to keep the spot warm for him, and he doesn’t hurt his pinky, i dont think we could count on him for a full season of 30 starts.

  • christopher

    any chance the team goes balls to the walls and gets sheets and CC?

    Tex is overated and will be too much money. offensively, i like Dunn and Burrell, both of whom i think wil come at a discount

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      how do you figure tex is over rated? switch power hitting first baseman with a great glove. perfect for any middle of the order in the leauge

      • http://www.salarydump.wordpress.com Joltin’ Joe

        Compared to the average 1B he’s not really a huge upgrade, and we have the position covered with Posada/Miranda/Giambi?/Sexson?

        I’m concerned with RF. I’d like to bring back Abreu year-to-year but there’s no way he does that. Trade?

        • Newman

          How the hell is he not a huge upgrade over the “average” first baseman? 30-100 with his defense year in and year out? I’ll sign for that anyday

          • christopher

            for the money he will want 30-100 wont do it. you want to send 18 million over 8 years when you could get 2 quality players for that price and fill 2 holes

            • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

              and jsut to wake up joltin joe who just wants to contradict me, how isnt he an upgrade, are you aware that we have a below average first bseman?

  • christopher

    follow that with hughes to milwaukee for prince

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      I’ll take all-hit, no field 1st baseman/DHs for $100, Alex.

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      now that is compromising

      • christopher

        i want that 80 million all spent – back to domination for this team.

        CC is a must. I love Dunn because i think that he comes cheap because of hi attitude.

        they need outfielders so burrell fits the bill.

        crazy idea, but what about furcal. fills a need at lead-off and would be a big defensive upgrade over jeter at SS and would give them a nice balanced line-up –thats just fleeting thought. i have no problem giving center to gardner and letting him hit 9th. if he cant cut it by mid-season than maybe AJAX is ready

        as for sheets in addition to CC – i know that is crazy, but it would make one hell of a rotation. if they got burnett now, they could negotiate and et with him and have him as a 5th.

  • Manimal

    “We covered everything, including (Barry) Bonds,” he said. Steinbrenner wouldn’t say if the Yankees are interested in Bonds, but it appears unlikely the team will pursue him.

    Steinbrenner declined to get into specifics about potential trades, but said “there’s a couple things that might be promising.”

    From Pete. For Hank to be pleased something must be cooking.

    • Steve

      Somebody please tell Hank to shut his pie hole. He’s the world’s worst poker player. If I’m another GM, and I read that I’m going right up to the deadline figuring the yanks will cave.

      • steve (different one)

        he barely said anything.

  • Ben B.

    Albert Pujols. Make it happen.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      This did make me laugh. Thanks.

  • Fabio

    Have you seen IPK’s line so far? He has 6 strikeouts through 5 innings and a very, very low whip. You should check it out.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Shhhhhhhhhh.

    • http://mehmattski.blogspot.com mehmattski

      Mighty Matt DeSalvo is also dealing. Quite the game– am I right that both games of the double header are scheduled for 7 innings?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Yessir.

        • http://mehmattski.blogspot.com mehmattski

          Well that’s kind of lame. Not that Kennedy would be pitching past the seventh anyway. Still, just 77 pitches through sixth.

          What kind of errors did Basak and Miranda make?

          • ChrisS

            Basak needs to be taken out beind the barn and beaten with a stick for his defense tonight.

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Utterly brutal

      • ChrisS

        Now in the game for Richmond, Damina Moss, who was once traded for one Sir Sidney Ponson.

  • Steve S

    Bottom line is that their pitching should be fine and I dont really think they need to invest in CC. Next year they will have Wang and Joba at the top of the rotation. I still believe Hughes will develop. If you fill one hole with either Moose or Pettitte, that in essence leaves one spot and then a couple of spots for the back up plans. Thats why I dont think Washburn right now isnt that bad of an idea. For one year, he isnt the worst possible option. But absent Washburn I think they should stick to the plan, develop young front end pitching and fill the rest with veterans on short term contracts. Both CC and Sheets look so good but they both have glaring weaknesses when contemplating six year investments at 18-20M a year.

    I think they do need to focus on corner outfielders. They have no real prospects to fill those holes, Tabata being the only one and he seems at least two full years away. Austin Jackson could be ready but unlike they did with the kid pitchers they cant expect that kid to come up and fill a major run producing spot. So whether its Milton Bradley or making a move now for Bay, Nady or in the offseason Holliday (who I dont like that much) they need to start looking at corner outfielders. Abreu shouldn’t come back unless its a one or two year deal. Damon and Matsui are off the books the year after. It doesnt have to be a big name but they need something.

    As for first base, they need to be flexible at that spot. The reality is that Posada will probably need to spend time there, whether it be for next year or the year after. And then there is the Jeter discussion that will start in 2010 and 2011, post age 35. And they do have Montero who might be there by 2011. And signing Texeira, as good as he is, to a ten year contract is just not a good idea. Expensive first baseman never work out on long term contracts.

    Farnsworth should go. Let everyone else in there step up to their bigger rule.

  • christopher

    to me, the team will need an Ace — CC – a lefty who extends the rotation, wang is a perfect number 2 and pettite a perfect number 3 and of course Joba they will need another stater though and i would prefer a power guy to .

    george doesnt have much time left +new stadium +no revenue sharing +hank wanting to make a statement.

    i have been awaiting this offseason for the past 3 years and anything less than 3 stars and i will be dissapointed.

    bradley is intriguing and baldelli is a guy they may want to take a flyer on. Dunn will be a bargain and i say burrell not because i love him but they will need outfielders in at least left and right.

    Cameron is another guy who could be useful – his team has a 10M option, but i dont see them picking it up. he could man center for a year waiting for AJAX

    Furcal would never happen, but he would be an upgrade over jeter defensively and jeter could move to 1st.

    since i am living in a fantasy land a line-up of:

    furcal SS
    JEter 1B
    Cano 2B
    AROd 3B
    Burrell RF
    Dunn LF/DH
    Posada C
    Baldelli or Bradley LF/DH
    Gardner CF

    rotation

    CC
    Sheets
    Joba
    Wang
    Petitte

    Hughes to the pen for a year until petitte retires

    would that push the payroll that far above where it is now?

    Smoltz is another guy to consider if he would sign 1 year contract — over sheets

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      On your crazy, make believe team you have Gardner playing center?

      • christopher

        with that offense they could handle his gowing pains — 3 weeks ago the guy was a legit prospect – now he is crap. besides he would be keeping the position warm for a year or half while ajax gets ready

        i know the team is pure fantasy – my main point is that this is a special offseason as there are many plaers entering their primes at young ages and the yankees have 80 million coming off the payroll and hank might ust want to make a statement.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Good sir, might I have a slice of that delicious pie that you took down from the sky?

  • Ben B.

    Seriously, if he would agree to it, I would sign Moose to a one-year deal with a second-year team option that automatically vests if he meets certain performance goals.

    I’m glad that Girardi was able to get something out of Farnsworth in his contract year. I don’t know whether Melancon will be ready by next year, or whether the team will want him to spend time at AAA, but I would prefer that Farnsworth do what he can to raise of the blood pressure of some other team’s fans.

    I’m not buying Buster’s analysis today on the Yankees potentially backing out of the Teixiera sweepstakes because of a concern that Posada might actually need to be their 1B of the future. At the time that they need to make the Teixiera decision, they won’t have any real information on how Posada is recovering from his surgery, and I think they have to assume that he is coming back as their full-time catcher. And, even if they have concerns, Tex will be 29 next season, Posada will be 37. It would be a great Yankees signing to get 3 or 4 good years out of Tex by giving him an eight-year contract.

    • christopher

      this assumption that posada can play a quality 1B is nonsense. i am not for signing texiera because he will cost more than he is worth.

      they need sabathia though. they gave up on a young left stud and had they got him they would most likely be in 1st right now. they cant make the mistake again of passing on an ace. CC has to be the number 1 off season priority followed by 2 or 3 big bats. the bullpen looks good unless they want to add a lefty.

      i like geting holliday via tade because that takes care of a need next year and i am fully on the dunn badwagaon – attitude be damned and i would love to see jeter moved away from SS that is why i like furcal

      • Old Ranger

        You and many others would like to see Jeter move, but it ain’t gona hapn! At least not in the near future, maybe for his next contract. Buy that time we have a couple guys in the MiL that can replace him. 27/08??

  • christopher

    bottom line is that they need to open their wallets — CC and 2 corner outfielders/1B are needed.

  • Ben B.

    Yankees.com is hyping Joba vs. Beckett as the Showdown in Beantown. I think Joba is the greatest thing since sliced bread, just like everyone else around here, but that’s kind of a ridiculous build-up. Can we at least wait until he pitches 7 complete innings first, just once, before we set him up to challenge our rival’s ace?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      No.

    • pat

      if you have top say something like that you havn’t watched enough games

  • Yankee1010

    I have faith that they’re going to go after C.C. hard and if he really doesn’t want to come play in NY, he’ll have to run down a boatlad of money. In their prime, left-handed studs aren’t available for only money these days. He’s a must.

    If they get C.C., I’m hoping they could package some not-quite high end prospects (maybe IPK, McCutchen, Ohlendorf) for a corner outfielder, mabye Bay. I’m not sure if that would get it done, but it’s worth a shot.

    By no means would I give up what the Rockies want for Holliday. His home/road splits are staggering and it’s not a small sample size. I wouldn’t worry about the bullpen. They have enough on the team and in the minors to cover it.

    If they could bring Moose and Pettitte back on 1 year deals too, sign em up.

    I also think the free agent decisions will be impacted by the type (Type A, Type B) of free agents they are.

    In any event, keep it up IPK.

    • christopher

      you would prefer bay over hollida — no way. you have to remember that home/road splits have a lot to do with seeing the ball because you hit their 82 games a year as opposed to light air.

      anyone else in favor of adam dunn or am i in the minority. high OBP and with a short porch could hit 50 homers. his defense could be a problem though. there are a lot of good/young free agents out there. maybe getting sabathia nd sheets is out of the question, but what about smoltz on a one year deal while hughes matures.

      no matter how you cut it they need and ACE (sabathia) and 2 big bats. would love to get 1 of them now – holliday.

      and its time to start thinking about moving jeter off shortstop. furcal is a free agent and gives them both a very good fielder and a lead-off hitter

      then take a shot on baldelli or bradley

      • Ivan

        I wouldn’t Dunn if I was running the yanks.

        • christopher

          what is the bias against dunn — he can do real damage for the yanks and he probably wont command a huge salary

          • steve (different one)

            he can’t play defense and will of course command a huge salary.

            he makes $13M now.

          • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

            and his “undesire ” to play baseball

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            I’m not anti Dunn, but yes, he would command a huge salary.

            He’ll be priced as a 40HR, 100 RBI middle of the order bat. Even with his shitty average, he could easily get the second biggest deal of the winter (behind Tex) among position players.

  • r.w.g.

    I would like to see the team re-sign Kyle Farnsworth.

    Moose and Andy, if they want to come back on one year deals, I would do it.

    Obviously I would like one of CC or Ben Sheets, or heck even both. There’s all sorts of things you could do if you got both. Not re-sign one of Moose/Andy/both or even trade somebody like Wang — who could probably land a nice OF bat on a better contract than what Tex will want.

    I wouldn’t really worry about blocking spots for Hughes or Kennedy, I don’t think either would be hurt by starting the year in Triple A. It all depends on how many starting pitchers they target in free agency. If they are as good as the hype says, they’ll pitch their way in.

    I would love to have Bobby Abreu back. As a DH. Which is the same place I want Hideki Matsui. And Johnny Damon. And Giambi. All those guys can hit.. but let’s get as many out of the field as possible, so that probably means just goodbye to the ones that are free agents and holding onto the other guys because Damon and Hideki can clearly still hit.

    Wouldn’t mind Tex at all if they decide to not go so hard at pitching. Don’t know if I would be thrilled with a 7 year contract though. I think 6 is as about as far as I would go.. but I wouldn’t skimp on the dollars. If it takes 6 yrs/$120 mil just do it. You can move Alex to third in the order to get him more at-bats, knowing you’ve got an RBI machine behind him. Respectable firstbaseman too, with very good hands.

  • Rafi

    I know that this isn’t the forum for this, but IPK has a no-no thru 6-only 2 reached on errors. Do we still think that we need another we need another back-end guy(washburn)?

    • xkevinx

      Yes.

      Washburn has better numbers in his last 8 starts in the AL than IPK in AAA.

      • ChrisS

        I’m glad you’re not running the Yankees.

        • xkevinx

          IPK’s ceiling is Washburn – and I think there is significant doubt that he reaches his ceiling

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            No, IPK’s ceiling is higher than Washburn’s.

            But I am in favor of adding Washburn, if it doesn’t cost us significant prospects, just because IPK won’t hit that ceiling here in 2008. Washburn is a valuable gap-filler until Hughes and IPK can stand on their own legs.

  • http://mehmattski.blogspot.com mehmattski

    And that’s that for IPK’s no-no. I blame Chris Basak.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      No-no? Try perfecto.

      • http://mehmattski.blogspot.com mehmattski

        Well, Basak and Miranda both had errors earlier in the game, so it’s not a perfecto. Although I wonder how many pitchers have had no-hit, no-walk games but allowed baserunners some other way. Might be worth a trip to the ol’ Play Index….

      • Newman

        They had 4 errors, how was it a perfecto?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Bah, I don’t count errors. IPK can’t control that, unless he’s the one that makes the error.

          • Fabio

            I agree, never understood why errors should void a perfect game. But the 9 innings rule seem reasonable.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              Because perfect means perfect. 27 up, 27 down, no exceptions.

              A no-hitter is nothing to sneeze at, btw.

      • Manimal

        4 Errors.

      • Fabio

        No perfecto if it has a baserunner, doesn’t matter if it was on an error or 4. I also think it needs to go at least 9 innings to be considered a perfect game, but I may be wrong.

    • Ben B.

      I blame Rafi.

      Poor etiquette, dude.

      • Rafi

        You’re right. It must have been my “poor etiquette” that can’t field a simple groundball.

  • Newman

    Tampa down 4-0, bottom 6. Count it

  • Ben B.

    We may be picking up half a game tonight …. Meche has scattered five Rays hits. He’ll pitch the 7th, Lord knows who will pitch the 8th, and hopefully Soria can lock it down in the 9th.

    If we don’t get Tex, who’s the 1B? Giambi/Sexson for another year? Juan Miranda? Really?? Kevin Millar should be available. Great guy to have in the clubhouse.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Kevin Millar? REALLY? Yeah, let’s bring in an old, slow, .239-hitting first baseman because he’s “a great guy to have in the clubhouse”. Why not sign Drew Carey to play 1st? He’d be a blast in the clubhouse.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        I’ve been there… Cleveland so does not rock.

  • Manimal

    Buster Olney just shot down Bonds to Yanks rumors. Thats that.

    • christopher

      god has spoken – forget it, makes too much sense

  • Ben B.

    Buster’s sources also tell him there’s no way the Yankees are bringing Girardi out of retirement to split time with Molina.

  • Ben B.

    Wow, Meche is dealing. Eight-pitch 7th. He’s only at 100 and could come back out for the 8th. I like the sound of 3 GB in the East.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      I really like the sound of no Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz not facing Major League pitching for nearly two months.

      • Newman

        Jamal, is Manny definitely out for the series? Or at least for Friday night?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          I have no idea.

    • Manimal

      I agree.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Scott Strickland just K’ed the side. Mike, can a veteran reliever be the Yanks’ MiLB Pitcher of the Year?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Certainly. But he’d have to have a really really ridiculously good year.

  • Fabio

    Does anyone know if there ever was a game like IPK’s in the majors, where the last out was extended because of an error and the no-no was lost in the next AB? I mean, the pitcher would really love his teammate after that.

    • Old Ranger

      A few years ago a pitcher named Hawkens (I think) for the Yankees pitched 9 innings of no-no and lost it in the 10th on an error. It may have been a no hitter, I just remember it was a shutout or no no. 27/08??

  • Neil

    here it goes:
    LF Gardner
    RF Jeter
    2B Cano
    3B A-Rod
    1B Tex
    DH Matsui
    -C Posada
    CF Melky
    SS Al-Gon

    Bench: Molina, Duncan, Vet SS, Vet OF

    SP Wang
    SP Sabathia
    SP Joba
    SP Pettite
    SP Hughes

    LRP Kennedy
    MRP Cox
    MRP Robertson
    MRP Rameriz
    SU Fuentes
    SU Veras
    CP Rivera

    • Fabio

      That lineup would stink. Also, what would you do with Damon?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      How could you advocate giving up two draft picks for a damn reliever? Ian Kennedy as a long-reliever? Come on man, you can’t waste his development like that.

  • christopher

    i like jeter in the outfield but a RF he is not and kennedy is a righty last time i checked

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Ben Broussard with a three-run, walk-off Home Run.

  • Captain Wiley

    Seeing this this is a thread devoted to specualtion, any chance SF might make Aaron Rowand available? Maybe they’d be interested in some combination of Melky, Gardner, Tabata, pitching?

    The one common theme throughout this thread seems to be the OF situation pre-supposing an Abreu departure. I’ve always felt Rowand would be a good fit here, the fans would love his defense and he’s genarally regarded as a solid teammate/leader.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Why is everybody just throwing around Jose Tabata’s name like it’s nothing? A couple tantrums and early struggles in arguably the toughest level in all the Minor Leagues and now he’s crap?

      This season was the first year he posted an OBP under .370.

      • Captain Wiley

        Got to give a little to get a little. Is Melky or Gardner a long term fixture on this team? The FA market looks rather thin next year so this seems to be the one position where a trade of some prospects might make some sense. Holliday/Bay types wont come cheap.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Jamal, He’s had 3 months to prove that he’s a major leaguer, he failed. Trade him for some corner outfielder, that’s over 30. While we’re at it trade Ian, he also failed. Hughes? Gone. Next year, when Ajax struggles, get rid of him.
        We only have time for a 2 month rebuilding plan.

        • Captain Wiley

          I know I’m not a frequent poster, so please dont think I’m being disrespectful here (I really enjoy reading Jamal’s posts/contributions). 1) I never said Tabata was crap. In fact I never posted my opinion of him other than to suggest he might be a viable potential trade piece. 2) You cant possibly tell me that Tabata hasn’t dropped a peg or two in the eyes of most scouts (regardless of how us bloggers look at him), and I certainly understand the dont sell low philosophy. 3) Kennedy is absolutely someone’s whose name will and should come up in trade talks to land a player of impact in return and he should be considered available for the right price. 4) Rowand plays CF and is 30. 5) Igawa and Marquez types are not going to land us any players of signifigance and I am certainly not advocating trading Montero, Jackson, Phil, Brackman. Clearly we’d have to make prospects with some potential available if we go the trade route. Otherwise, its the FA market and the potential lose of draft picks or filling the voids through the farm.

  • christopher

    and there is 80 million to spend and all you want in return is tex and sabathia?

    i am crazy, but i like furcal and dunn on this team instead of tex 9i think you could get burrell and dunn for the price of tex mabe a bit more) add a quality corner outfielder burrell and baldelli/bradley on the cheap and that is a good offense. baldelli has huge upside and injury potential of course – if he doesnt work out bradley is a decent 1 year repleacement.

    jeter to first base – trade masui for a bag of balls and have an outfield of burrell, damon (melky or gardner in late innings), and baldelli or bradley

    infield of arod furcal cano and jeter with dunn DHing.

    the guys i am talking about other than sabathia and burrel should not be that expensive. problem of course is jeter will never vacate SS. Damon plays the year out with gardner as his caddy until ajax is ready

    put sabathia on that staff, sign petitte, let moose go. wang 3, joba 4, hughes 5.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165 Doug

      dogg you are crazy for Rafael Furcal, apparently. He seems decent enough, but he’s having a career year – an OPS+ of 169, with a 107 career average? That won’t hold up.

      I agree with you on Adam Dunn, though. Dunn bringing the Three True Outcomes to the Stadium would just be unfair. Also, all the ignorant hating he would get from WFAN types would equal massive lols.

      The one thing the Yankees have to do, and probably will do, is go after Sabathia with boatloads and boatloads of money. Everything else in the rotation falls into place after that. Mussina can pitch for at least 2 more years after his reinvention as a control artist, and we’ll let Hughes and Kennedy battle it out for the #5 spot vacated by Rasner or Ponson.

      I’m not feeling very creative, so just go with it.

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      and exactly why would you let moose go? im sure he would sign for nickles and pennies anyway. and say he has legitimately invented himself, thats a strong stronggg numner 5

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    I heard a rumor that the Tigers are considering moving Joel Zumaya back into the rotation next year. Anybody heard anything like this?

    If I’m not mistaken it is a fact that Seattle’s Brandon Morrow will be a starter next season and it is being discussed whether Joakim Soria will make the transition to a starter next year as well.

  • http://knickerbockerchatter.blogspot.com Bruno

    Trade Igawa & AA SP for Washburn. Trade IPK & Matsui for Salty & Nelson Cruz.
    Moose retires. Bye Abreu. Bye Farnsworth.
    Sign Sheets (CC’s going to Dodgers). Sign Dunn.

    Sheets
    JOBA
    Wang
    Pettite
    Washburn
    ————
    Hughes
    Bruney
    Ramirez
    Ohlendorf
    Robertson
    Veras
    Hammer of God

    LF-Damon
    SS-Jeter
    2B-Cano
    3B-A-Rod
    DH-Dunn
    1B-Posada
    C-Salty
    RF-Cruz
    CF-Melky

    AG, Gardner, E/S.Duncan, Molina

  • Old Ranger

    A little off topic but , on my rounds of the Mil I checked out future catchers A. Romine and Jesus Montero again. Both of them are good, I give the edge to Austin…very smooth, no holes in his game. Jesus is a monster, good hitter and not bad as a catcher, in fact he is good. Both are a few years away yet.

    A little story; I was standing in Trenton watching batting practice and making with the ohs and ahs while I watched this kid hit. (2004). This guy says to me “Is he that good” Like an idiot I said, “Yes, he reminds me of a left handed Yogi.” Well we all know Yogi did hit left handed…brain lock. The kid…Robbi Cano, the guy with the sweet swing. And the best bad ball hitter since Yogi. 27/08??

  • NYFan50

    Anybody who thinks Jeter is moving off of short next year is out of their mind, regardless of whether or not it would be the right move. You might as well get that out of your heads and try to be realistic.

  • Kyle

    I think with the starting rotation, you go hard after CC obviously. Lefties in their prime don’t come around often. Definietly bring Andy back if he wants to, and I’d let Moose go, with his spot being filled by Hughes. So the rotation would look like
    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Andy
    Hughes

    Offensively, I’d like to see Abreu go, he’ll be looking for a long term deal and we need to get younger. I’l love to see a Nady or a Bay come in here. Maybe build a package around Kennedy and Horne since they need pitching, that could be enough for Nady.

    At first, options are limited. If they sign CC, then that takes them out of the running for Texiera, but a platoon of the Big G and Posada could work. As for center, I guess we can live with Melky until AJax is ready if the rest of the lineup produces like it should. A backup catcher better than Moeller would also be needed.

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Nady or Bay? RF
    ARod 3B
    Giambi/Posada 1B
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Molina C
    Melky CF

    Bullpen is easy, let Farnsworth walk and let guys Melancon, Cox and Sanchez try to fill the void.

    • Old Ranger

      Cervelli is coming back, he is better than Moeller. If Brett can show his real game, and Melky is what we see (I hope not), I would put him in CF. 27/08??

  • Scott of 3 Kids Tickets

    Call me crazy, but how about trading Farnsworth while his value is sky high ??!!?? This is Kyle Farnsworth. He will find a way to bite us in the a**!

    -Scott

    • http://ibleedblueandwhite.blogspot.com Jamie

      I dont think your crazy at all. If my memory is correct, the Cubs did the same exact thing in the past… Farns is AWFUL for such a long stretch and then he puts it together for a couple months and he’s filthy…

      The guy will regress back to the mean.. we all know he will. Just sell him while he is high to an NL team or something. No idea what you’d get in return.

      Mike – Say Farns stays and stays on the same pace he is at to finish out the season. What type of pick are we getting for him? Type B?

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      brian mccann? lmao expect the unexpected, when ti comes to pulling off great trade cashman is a magician

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        The only way Cashman gets McCann out of Atlanta is if he offers ARod, Joba, and Cano.

  • Manimal

    Haha there was a minor league fight? ESPN said 17 ejections, 1 man arrested.

  • RustyJohn

    The Existential Poetry of Donald Rumsfeld provides some wisdom here…

    As we know,
    There are known knowns.
    There are things we know we know.
    We also know
    There are known unknowns.
    That is to say
    We know there are some things
    We do not know.
    But there are also unknown unknowns,
    The ones we don’t know
    We don’t know.

    —Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I’m so glad it took only 174 comments for someone else to mention Rummy and his words of, um, wisdom.

  • Chip

    Wow there’s some crazy shit on this thread.

    Look at it this way, Jeter/Cano/A-Rod will start at SS/2B/3B next season and Wang/Pettite (who will use his PLAYER option)/Joba/Hughes will be in the rotation. The only way Hughes isn’t in that rotation is if he’s hurt (not unlikely) or comes back in September and pitches like crap.

    Figure a Melky/Gardner in center with Damon in left. Posada is getting surgery so that he can catch so there’s pretty much locked in. We’re then left with RF/DH/1B open with a spot in the back of the rotation.

    This is what I propose, try to get Giambi to accept a one or two year contract (if he wants big money, wave goodbye), sign CC, sign Tex and let Farns/Abreu/Moose go while taking the 6 picks with them (minus a first and second round pick for CC and Tex) and get a type B outfielder (take your pick)

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Giambi/Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    whoever RF
    Melky/Gardner CF

    Molina/A-gon on the bench

    Starters:
    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Pettite
    Hughes

    Back-up starters:
    Kennedy
    Horne/McCutchen/JasonJones,ect

    Veras, Edwar, Robertson, Bruney, Britton, Cox, Strickland, Melancon, ect to battle out the bullpen

    And of course Mo

    All that and to come out with 6 picks in the first two rounds (6 from Moose, Farns, Abreu while we lose ours to Tex and CC)

    • Chip

      Wow, there aren’t any RF out there. Maybe Juan Rivera?

    • http://derekjetersbat.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      cant assume posada is “locked in” nor can you assume gardner and ror melky will be here next season

      • Chip

        Well yeah trades can always happen but this is the most likely I think

  • Bart

    Restating – i see the needs – there are people to trade or dispose of — i don’t know who is available to fill the holes except Texieria and maybe Holliday

    Since we can’t and should not trade Jeter – he is first Yankee since Mantle/Ford to be HOF with a total career as a Yankee — we have to move him to CF — should have been done to replace Williams when we blew the chnace to get Beltran

    Melky to RF or Trade him. Damon in Left or Trade him – but i like him for what he brings to the team.

    Outfield is offense power limited — defense should be above average. So tradin melky and or Damon should be for major Offensive Upgrade and some years of well above average performance. I’d keep Gardner as a cheap backup – he is a samrt kid he needs to figure out how to hit at the ML level — I think now that he knows what he needs to do inte ball can get him there. he is a bridge to the uys who are not ready – or he may be more – but he wil not ever have power. he could be CF after Jeter if he can get OBP avov 4.

    need middle IF to replace Jeter – maybe move Cano – the pesky Eckstein would be available for 2b (NOT SS) — he has a 2B arm anyway.

    Posada is done at C – surgery doesn’t matter — the brain is there the arm will never be good enough. Contract locks him into DH – and 1B spell for Tex — Tex is like Beltran — you miss him, you miss a multi-year solution and you pay more in the future for less capability.

    Matsui has to be traded – he is done in LF and was really not much good out there. You can’t have him and Posada clogging up DH — although Matsui’s ability to hit RH and LH pitcher seqaully and with 20 plus HR power makes him a nice nice DH. You can’t keep them both and Posada is likely less tradeable.

    If you get Tex you can’t keep Posda and Giambi. I don’t like the idea of patching 1B with old guys for the next three years

    C – i don’t have a clue to a muti year solution – Bengi is protection – ut even now there are rumor’s of Pudge to provide offense

    Pitchhing — Get Wshburn to make atrong run this year — and one of the Lefties. Dump Ponson, Hawkins, Rasner for anyhtinig you can get — you wil not everget more than now – smoke and mirrors.

    I thnk Edwar can continue to be great — ifor a hitter t is very hard to go from a JOBA, to an Edwar — Robertson, Edwar and Mo make a deadly threesome.

    Move Veras and Farnsworth while you can get something special for them —

    Get Knnedy up here and FORGE him – dump Ponson. Get Wasburn and send Rasner to Pen. Bring up Bruney or get the lefty – or both and dump geise — too old to mean anyhtiing next year and rasner gets his spot. or Trade rasner if he has value — and keep geise – he is gone by spring.

    Get Sabbathia — Piching in 2009 is Sabbathia,Joba, Pettit, Hughes, Mussina and IPK (or someone)

    Mussina has it figured out an can become HOF with three good years. He may pich like a 2 but certainly nettter than any 3 4 ot 5 guys around. he is worth 3 years. (Heck I wasn’t a believer but it is smart pitching and point blank control) — he is getting better as he has replaced his ownmental image — sort of like Tiger Woods – giving up the driver for a 2 iron of precise control – Mickleson can’t do it Tiger can — Clemens couldn’t do it – Moose can.

    Ride the Moose!!

    Andy might still lbe fragile — So Washburn gets us into the fall classic and is is big insurance against Pettit hurt or one the kids not developing — it scares me that Hughes could be injury prone — or Moose losing his control.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Wow.

      Try decaf.

  • MS

    I say we sign Giambi and Abreau to 2 year deals. Why go after Texiera when Giambi is just as good, if not better. Plus Giambi is a popular player in the clubhouse. As for Abreau, he is still a good hitter and replacing him with Burrell or omeone else would not be much of an improvement. Plus I think we can deal with Abreau until Austin Jackson is ready. In the offseason we need to sign CC and use Kennedy and Melky as trade bait for a good bullpen guy. We also need to start thinking about finding a new closer for the future. Someone who could be the 8th inning guy for a year or two until Mariano is done. I thought Joba was that guy, but it looks like he is staying in the rotation. I also think we sign Moose because he has earned it, plus Hughes and Kennedy have shown we can’t rely on them.

    2009 Rotation
    CC
    Wang
    Petitte
    Hughes
    Joba-I would like to see him as our 8th in guy if Mussina or Kennedy can be our 5 th guy.n be our 5th guy.
    Moose or Kennedy

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      All of this is batshit crazy.

  • Anthony M

    Ok every other prospective rotation on this board has Hughes as the 5th starter. Lets be realistic..they were hoping to get his innings pitched up to a point so he could pitch next year for 180 innings. With this year basically a waste he is going to have to start all over again and that means AAA.

    I just finished reading Living on the Black about Moose and Glavine’s seasons last year. After watching Mussina pitch the way he has you can’t beat his knowledge of how to pitch in the AL. Only in Hughes’ wildest dreams would he have a career stat line like Mike Mussina. I say the rotation shakes out like this:

    Sabathia (Must have)
    Wang
    Joba
    Pettitte (fingers crossed that he wants to pitch again)
    Mussina (hopefully with a similar contract to Pettite)

    That’s a solid rotation and you leave Hughes and IPK to fill in when one of the five inevitably gets injured.

    Other than that I say you gotta get Tex. I have no idea who replaces Abreu in RF, only that he needs a strong arm and good defense.

  • Curramba

    I’d let Moose and Farnsy walk and take the picks. I’d welcome back Andy if he wants to come back. Sign Tex and CC. Decide between Abreu and Giambi based on the contract length no more than a yr for Giambi and no more than 2yrs for Abreu if not let them walk and get back the picks but don’t bring back both.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      If we don’t take back Giambi, we’re not getting any picks for him, because if we offer him arbitration, he’ll take it.

      Hell, Moose may damn well take it too.

  • Jesus

    The first thing is that if Mussina continues to pitch the way he is pitching, there is no way in hell the Yankees should let him walk. Look at this logically? Are you going to say no and let Mussina walk if he wins 20 games? A 20 game winner isn’t good enough to fill a 4-5 starter role? Seriously?

    I think they should, and probably will (barring an implosion of sorts) make a serious play to keep Mussina around [I think a two year with 3rd incentive laden contract would be quite acceptable]. Which leaves, assuming Wang and Chamberlain, two additional starting roles to fill. While I am a little gun shy at pulling the trigger on either Sheets or Sabathia (can a 275 lb. K/pitcher really hold up for that long?), as both are significant injury risks, I think the inclusion of either would be a significant addition to the pitching staff. Although, one must consider that Sabathia will command $100+ and Sheets will probably want a significant raise as well. So, with a rotation of Sabathia/Sheets, Chamberlain, Wang, and Mussina, the option for the last starter becomes a bit more interesting. In all honesty, if one wanted to keep Pettitte around, I would be a fan of that. If not, there are many internal options to consider, whether that be Alceves, Kennedy, Hughes, Rasner, DeSalvo, Horne, Brackman, or others. I think we could find one guy to basically pitch in the 5 slot for a year based on what we can work with already.

    As far as the bullpen, this is not at all a concern for me. Considering that the bullpen is already much better than in many years past, and that many of the earlier bullpen issues were when Hughes/Kennedy were giving around 4 innings/start, I think the bullpen we have now is more than adequate. Rivera is having a career year, Veras has developed well, Ramirez has tightened his fastball (still have to watch for the long ball with him), and Robertson has been impressive thus far. Beyond Giese and Farnsworth (who we should not sign), let’s not forget that Bruney has been absolutely destroying hitters, and Albaladejo will be coming back at the start of next year. There’s also Melancon, who has been pitching very well in the minors, and Sanchez can even make some noise. While Marte is a solid bullpen arm, I don’t think he’s worth the money, and Fuentes is massively overrated. He is pitching to a 3.5 ERA in the National League. Throw him in the middle of the Bronx and there will be serious, serious trouble.

  • Manimal

    MLBTR says Dodgers are interested in Cano and they could trade Lowe. I wouldn’t be surprised if Torre/Bowa schemed this up. Cano is too hot to trade, but if they somehow managed to get Martin and Lowe I would do it.

  • thestilt

    Opening Day Roster –

    SP – Wang
    SP – Sheets
    SP – Pettite
    SP – Joba
    SP – Mussina/Hughes

    C- Molina/Posada
    1B – Texeria
    2B – Cano
    3B – Arod
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Damon/Matusi
    CF – Melky
    RF – Aberu
    DH – Giambi/Posada

    I think this is pretty realistic, I don’t think Posada will be able to full time catch any more. I can also see Hughes starting in the minors if they bring back Moose

  • Bill

    Pitching
    1. Sign Sabathia- no brainer. Young pitchers this good are NEVER available in FA.
    2. Re-Sign Pettitte- he wants to come back and on a 1-year deal that’s an easy decision.
    3. Offer Moose arbitration and a 1-year deal- I think he’d accept, but if not at least we get two picks for him. He has adjusted extremely well to diminishing stuff and is having one of his better years.
    4. Let Farsnworth walk and take the pick(s)

    Offense:
    1. Let Abreu walk- two picks for Abreu? Uhh yea I’ll take that.
    2. Sign Teixeira and let Giambi walk- we need to get younger on offense and Giambi is a risk.
    3. Sign Milton Bradley to play RF- we need more righties in the lineup, he is younger than Abreu, and if 100% he can also play some CF.
    4. Sign Juan Rivera as an extra OF and RH bat off the bench.

    Your 2009 Yankees:

    LF- Damon
    SS- Jeter
    1B- Teixeira
    3B- ARod
    DH- Matsui
    RF- Bradley
    2B- Cano
    C- Posada
    CF- Melky

    Bench: Molina, Juan Rivera, Gardner, Betemit
    -If Posada can’t play C to start the year, Damon moves to CF, Matsui starts in LF, and Posada is at DH with Melky on the bench. Also if Melky struggles look for Juan Rivera to move to RF or LF with Damon or Bradley playing CF.

    Rotation
    CC
    Wang
    Pettitte
    Joba
    Moose
    *Hughes starts the year in AAA or the bullpen as he’ll be on a innings limit and still needs to work on some things. Will move to the rotation when a spot opens (it will).

    Bullpen:
    Mo
    Veras
    Edwar
    Robertson
    Giese
    Cox

    -Melancon, Sanchez, Britton, Albaladejo, and Ohledorf all in the mix or a phone call away. Starters like Horne, McCutchen, and Marquez could all be possibilities as well.