Rumors, rumors everywhere nor any drop of truth


You want your rumors; we’ll give your rumors. Or at least, we’ll dispel them. PeteAbe reports that the Yanks are not interested in a catcher or Barry Bonds but are still hoping to land Jarrod Washburn. Jon Heyman writes that the Yanks are “considering” Bronson Arroyo, won’t be able to pry A.J. Burnett from the Jays and said no to a trade with Seattle involving both Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner. He also says those Robinson Cano rumors have not an ounce of truth to them. So there you go. Have fun.

Categories : Asides


  1. jsbrendog says:

    melky and gardner? seattle’s got issues man

  2. Manimal says:

    That should take care of comments in the wrong place… for now.

  3. Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

    Wow, the idea that Hughes throws his pitches too alike. Who would have thought it? Just kidding.

    Seattle makes me laugh. Reports are they wanted Igawa in a basic salary dump. Yanks were interested. Then they wanted Melky and Brett. Ballsy!

    Got to love the stones on them.

    • whozat says:

      “Reports are they wanted Igawa in a basic salary dump. Yanks were interested.”

      Pretty sure the rumors were that was the trade the YANKEES wanted. The Mariners wanted to add Vidro in.

    • LiveFromNewYork says:

      Teams ask for stuff from the Yankees they would never ask from some other team. Seattle is insane.

  4. Thurman says:

    It’s that kind of confident, dare I say straight up cerebral management that has led to such a track record of success and achievment…..

  5. pat says:

    would you guys do austin jackson, jesus montero and z mac for felix hernandez??

  6. From the Heyman article: It is believed the Mets could nab Fuentes if they were willing to part with the talented but frustrating Aaron Heilman. Says one scout, “Fuentes is throwing really great. He’d help someone, if the Rockies trade him.”

    To everyone who’s advocating trading IPK for Fuentes: The asking price is apparently AARON FUCKING HEILMAN. If we gave them IPK for Fuentes, that would be like buying a Big Mac with an out-of-print $1,000 bill and not asking for change.

    • ChrisS says:

      We should do it then. Aaron Heilman was once a highly touted prospect … just like Ian Kennedy!

    • JohnnyC says:

      Yeah but IPK can’t pitch the 8th inning. And what’s more important? A quality start or a bridge to your closer?

  7. Jake K. says:

    On the subject of rumors, Jayson Stark over at ESPN says the Yanks are kicking the tires on Adam Dunn, but Cincy’s asking price has been too high. A familiar refrain.

  8. vinny-b says:

    these teams, look to be sitting on alot of their players, come july 31st.

    right now, the supply is greater than the demand.

  9. Deezer says:

    Can we trade B Cashman for a real GM?

  10. vinny-b says:

    joltin’ joe: by the way, next time you on, please leave your blog address. Interested to check your take on Texeria.

  11. Joey H says:

    melky or gardner+ someone else in the minors, definately not both.

    • jsbrendog says:

      yeah that works for me

    • Or neither.

      Washburn is only interesting because he’s virtually free. If he costs anything of substance (and, even for all their struggles, Melky and Gardner are still “of substance”), then pass.

      I like Washburn, but I’ll ride out with IPK, Karstens, and the Mexican Gangster before I pay for Washburn.

      • jsbrendog says:

        except that no one wants melky. no one. so if you have someone else who can play for him and produce equal or greater than then why not trade him if you can find someone ho will take him

        • radnom says:

          like you said, no one wants him. he is more valuable to us as a center fielder right now than he could possibly be as trade bait.

          certainly more valuable than washburn and his salary

        • steve (different one) says:

          b/c you still need to have a player in CF for the rest of the season?

          and despite the 1,000,000 posts on this blog that Cashman was an idiot for not calling up Gardner earlier in the season, Gardner doesn’t really look like he’s ready to be handed CF in the middle of a pennant race.

          Melky is bad, but so far, Gardner is worse. much worse.

          no, i am not saying that he will never improve. but RIGHT NOW, trading Melky and sticking Gardner in CF would be a bad, bad move.

    • radnom says:

      for washburn?


  12. A.D. says:

    The Washburn deal is only intriguing as a salary dump, if it means giving up real players, then it’s not really worth it. Washburn isn’t that good, he’s just a good pick-up if its only money, and if we got to dump Igawa at the same time.

  13. A.D. says:

    BRONSON ARROYO seriously, not only has the guy only posted 1 season with 20+ inning and an ERA under 4.00, he has an ERA in the 5′s this year, and that’s not even the worst part. The worst part is he’s owed 9.5 Million next year, yeah Bronson Arroyo, and even better he’s owed 10 Million in 2010. You trade for Arroyo you get him for 2 more years at a redic salary


    I’ll take D-Ras & Ponson for 330K every day of the week and give McCutchen/Giese/Aceves/IPK/Ohlendorf/Jones/Marquez/Coke all a shot before I traded anything for Arroyo

    • Geno says:

      Exactly. We’ve got four pitchers better than Arroyo coming back in Wang, Hughes, IPK, and Horne. Why move valuable pieces for him?

  14. John NY says:

    I say we trade farnsworth now while he’s value is high. He usually blows so sell high while he’s hot!

    • jsbrendog says:

      keep him and get the 2 picks for him being type a and draft another joba

      • whozat says:

        Given his numbers last season, I don’t think he can graduate to Type A status. Besides…the system could REALLY use some positional talent that’s near-ish to the majors. If we can package Kyle and someone like Mcallister for an interesting AA/AAA position player, that’d be pretty exciting.

        • bklynJT says:

          The way the market is, why include McAllister. I say ask for a straight up deal for a AA/AAA position prospect, and work from there.

          • whozat says:

            Obviously that’s what you start with. But I was trying to come up with something that another team might actually bite on.

      • A.D. says:

        I dunno about at type A, last year wasn’t spectacular

  15. mustang says:

    Since “reluctant to meet their demands” seems to be every buyers theme right now I’m going to hold my judgment of Mr. Cashman until the smoke clears. All I know is that the 2008 Yankees are 3 games back of a playoff spot on July 25th and they have needs and the resources to fill those needs. Here is to hoping something gets done.

    • Ben K. says:

      The Yanks have the needs and the resources, but you’re completely missing the other half of the puzzle. The pieces available don’t fill those needs. The Yanks can’t magically conjure up a deal for a top-line starter or a power-hitting outfielder (…well…maybe not this one…) if other teams aren’t interested in making those players available for a reasonable price.

      • mustang says:

        Now that all depends of what your idea of a reasonable price is and the players you’re talking about. If you’re overvaluing your farm system then yes there might be nothing out there.
        Have you ever seen the lottery commercial with the couple looking out the window when money drops out of the sky? The girl wants to get some money, but the guy wants to wait for more then a crowd comes in and takes it all. Here to hoping the Yankees are not that guy.

        • Ben K. says:

          Who’s available right now that would drastically alter this team?

          • mustang says:

            I can give you a list but you know it by now and we would argue very name because we view the Yankees farm system and what’s out there differently.
            All I’m saying this that I understand about looking towards the future, but there are no guarantees in this game. Earlier this season is a perfect example of that. If the cup is in front of you take it you never know when you’re going to get another chance.

            • Ben K. says:

              No no. I want the list of players who are available and who would drastically alter this team for the better. I’m not talking about some Jarrod Washburn fourth-starter type who could be had for the right price. I’m talking about an impact pitcher who could lead the Yanks to the playoffs. List ‘em. I’m just curious to see who you think is available.

              • Old Ranger says:

                Some advocate a trade for trades sake.
                I have not seen anyone name one player I would trade for…that is, with any realistic chance of obtaining them. Conversely, there are many OF out there, but at what price. 27/08??

                • mustang says:

                  7. Melky, CF
                  8. Molina, C
                  9. Gardner, LF
                  If there is not a need there then I don’t no the meaning of the word.

              • mustang says:

                Well I didn’t think that an “impact pitcher” was or is out there. I was ok with mixing and matching with the farm system and anything else that was cast-off. Until Hughes came riding in on his white horse or they got Wang back.
                I guess looking around at the names Washburn is as good as everyone else at holding the fort, but he can’t lead the Yanks out of a paper bag.

              • mustang says:

                It’s not just about getting an impact player it’s about getting the right pieces. When the Yanks got Hayes and Fielder they were both pass their primes, but they were the right fit.
                I still think if you account for price and fit Nady is still the best option. His price seems to be coming down.
                I also like Marte, but I agree with you that at what it’s going to cost they are better off with the bullpen as is.

  16. r.w.g. says:

    I don’t get why Bonds isn’t signed.

    His off-field stuff won’t matter in New York. The papers will write a million articles and nobody in the clubhouse will care and it won’t affect anything.

    If he sucks, just cut him.

    He won’t suck. He’s Barry Bonds.

  17. jsbrendog says:

    has a man under indictment ever played in mlb? while udner indictment?

    • In baseball, none that I can think of.

      But Kobe Bryant played while not just under indictment but actually in the midst of his court proceedings on a much, much more serious charge, if you recall.

      Oh yeah, and Jamal Lewis played most of the 2004 season under federal indictment on drug charges. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge during the season and served jail time in the offseason; he was suspended two games the next year.

      In neither case did the world spin off its axis. And remember, Bonds isn’t due in court until next March.

  18. Jamal G. says:

    Manny Ramirez was scratched from the lineup tonight (per WFAN), yay!

    • jsbrendog says:

      he’s scurred

    • Jamal G. says:

      Also, Mike Mussina will pitch Monday in the Bronx versus the Orioles. Darrell Rasner was previously scheduled for that start.

      • jsbrendog says:

        so that makes it joba, pettite, ponson, moose for the next 4 days?

        • jsbrendog says:

          i’d like to think that this is also the yanks trying to give moose extra starts top get to 20 wins :-) and not just fear of rasner (esp against baltimore when he did fairly well his last start)

      • Joey H says:

        FUCK! i was going to his next start, so who is going to get it?

        • jsbrendog says:

          well, if rasner had pitched it wouldve been tuesday correct? soooo then tuesday would probably be joba? could be wrong

          • Joey H says:

            Yeah ur right. just as good if not better lol. ive got a joba team shirt. so yes its joba ur right i just looked it up

          • Jamal G. says:

            Rasner was scheduled for Monday. Joba can’t pitch Tuesday because there is no way the Yankees will pitch him on 3-days rest. Rasner will most likely pitch Tuesday or a pitcher that will take his spot (Tuesday would make it a full starter’s rest for Ian Kennedy).

            • Joey H says:

              Okay jamal here is my problem with kennedy. hes absolutely tearing up the minors right now. hes a hot commidity for us to put in a package or to get fuentes or marte right. say we clal him up. what happens if he BOMBS another start? then his value goes back into negative intergers

              • Jamal G. says:

                Joey, Edison Volquez was traded for Josh Hamilton. Edison Volquez was horrible, horrible at the Major League level in his first three years (2005-2007). No front office evaluates a young starter during their first few years, a lot of it is about projection and potential at this point.

        • Jamal G. says:

          Darrell Rasner will probably start on Tuesday, there is no off-day so only Mussina is able to move up in the rotation. The Orioles series in the Bronx will probably be Mussina, Rasner, and Joba Chamberlain.

  19. RangerFan says:

    Posted a trade in the Kennedy diary but I’ll post it here to get some thoughts on a Laird/Poveda for Kennedy swap…. We also have Teagarden/Salt/Max Ramirez who are still young. Laird could also be the catcher of the future the Yanks lack. Am I just crazy or is a deal like this feasible?

    • Old Ranger says:

      The Yanks have a couple of very good looking catchers in the little leagues…maybe even 3-4. Two of them are a ways off yet, but the other two should be ready for 2009-2011. 27/08??

  20. Joey H says:

    In comes randy winn. and his 9 million dollar salary

  21. jsbrendog says:

    randy winn was traded to the yankees for a suitcase of forged checks, a duffelbag of baseballs and a signed snapshot of jose molina

  22. joe says:

    Why would we want randy winn?

    • Realist says:

      Possibly because Melkey is involved in other trade talks and losing him would make an already thin Outfield thinner?

      • Joey H says:

        say thats the case we have Gardner Winn and Bobby in the OF. a more consistent hitting outfielder in win. it will strengthen the bottom of our order. instead of cano melky molina and gardner , cano winn molina and gardner certain lengthens it to my liking. winn is a better

      • Joey H says:

        say thats the case we have Gardner Winn and Bobby in the OF. a more consistent hitting outfielder in win. it will strengthen the bottom of our order. instead of cano melky molina and gardner , cano winn molina and gardner certain lengthens it to my liking. winn is a better switch hitter than melky who is OKAY from one side and absent from the other

    • Old Ranger says:

      Or, we would take anyone, as long as they can play good D and hit like hell. But, that is just dreaming, that type…ain’t getable yhall. 27/08??

    • Why would we want Randy Winn? Cause he’s a Winner, that’s why!

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  24. Mike NYY says:

    Winn might not be a bad idea. When Damon goes back to LF then he could be a better option than anyone else they have.

  25. Peedlum says:

    nats just DFA’d johnny estrada, who’s 32 and has had some success with the stick before this year where he had an elbow injury. He’s a guy to keep an eye on, though his stats indicate a need for him to learn some plate discipline.

  26. Sciorsci says:

    Yanks have traded for Nady and Marte per Will Carroll at Baseball Prospectus:


  27. Old Ranger says:

    Nady, Marte for Tabata, Ohly, Coke, Kontos. 27/08??

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