Hank: There will be changes

How do fans give up on the season?
Game 133: Making some changes

Hank Steinbrenner, the outspoken half of the Yankees management team, stopped by the stadium last night to watch the Yanks lose badly to the Red Sox. After the game, he agreed with just about everyone watching in noting that the Yankees sucked. But before the game, he spoke with reporters and all but admitted that CC Sabathia would be the Yanks’ number one priority this off-season. There will be changes, he promised. Who knows what those will be, but it’s bound to make for an exciting off-season.

How do fans give up on the season?
Game 133: Making some changes
  • Bo

    Sabathia and Teixeira’s agents add zero’s to to the offers everytime the Yankees lose.

  • cult of basebaal

    here’s a freebie change … it’s not even the off season yet!

    teh mexican gangsta is up!

    • Joe

      You got it, Per Pete Abe, He is up

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    I’m really starting to advocate less and less for a C.C. Sabathia acquisition. A rotation fronted by Chien-Ming Wang and Joba Chamberlain is more than adequate for a championship contender. Your telling me at this stage in his career that Andy Pettitte is not a viable #3 starter? Is Mike Mussina not able to fortify the end of a rotation? Is Phil Hughes really not capable of supplying league average, #5 starter innings? It seems to be too much of a risk (contract now and potential brekdown in the future) for something that is not really a priority. I mean seriously, if the Yanks’ rotation were healthy this year, do you think a quartet of Wang, Chamberlain, Pettitte, and Mussina is not enough to get this team to October? It seems unnecessary to sign Sabathia to a mega deal just because we are looking for more depth in the rotation.

    I would still want Sabathia over a Mark Teixiera signing, but at this point, that’s not really saying much for Sabathia.

    • Glen L

      Too much pitching depth has never been a problem for anyone. Pitchers always get injured and you never have the rotation in august that you expected to have in march

      bring in CC

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        I’m not saying having too much pitching depth is a problem. I’m saying that signing C.C. Sabathia to a market value contract when all he will do is strengthen an already potentially strong rotation is just not worth it.

        • Joe

          If C.C. pitches like a number one starter for atleast half the contract, you would gladly take that. Combined with Chamberlin you could potentially have the best one-two in baseball. The game is so reliant on starting pitching, that doesn’t just keep you in games, but wins games.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Jamal, signing CC isn’t just for 2009. It’s for 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, etc.

          Pettitte and Moose won’t be around forever. I’d still choose to add an elite frontline starter to a core of Wang, Joba, Hughes, and (possibly) IPK or Brackman.

          Remember, the Rays are in first place primarily because they run 5 good starters out there day after day.

        • Count Zero

          You’re also making a big assumption in returning Pettitte and Moose. Pettitte nearly bowed out last year, so what makes you so sure he will come back for ’09 after a crap-tacular ’08 team performance? I guess you hope that he won’t want to go out on this note.

          As for Moose, my feeling is that the Stanford grad and shrewd financier will parley this season into a two or even three year deal somewhere. He’ll be looking to ensure a HOF entry. If you have to give him two plus, do you still do it? Seems dicey…

          So if I play the percentages and assume that only one of those two will return in ’09, I now have Wang, Joba and Pett-ina…with Hughes likely to be in the mix. Who’s my fifth? IPK? Aceves? They start in AAA if you ask me. In that scenario, CC looks somewhat better.

          No matter what I think you need to go out and get a starter.

    • brockdc

      When was the last time the yankees’ projected rotation was healthy and intact for most of the season? To me, Sabathia’s precisely the kind of FA they should be pursuing, with his track record or durability and excellence. And predicting that Wang will return to form, that Hughes won’t need any more developmental time in AAA, and that Mussina will still be a viable number three next year is more rooted in hope than probability. Whether it’s Sabathia or Sheets, they’ll need to look outside the organization for a frontline starter next year.

      • Stryker

        i’m worried that if we sign CC to a long term deal – his arm will go. being the workhorse that he is has to catch up to him sometime.

        • JohnnyC

          His workload with the Brewers does bear watching but in his career he hasn’t been abused. He strikes me as a David Wells type who has a resilient arm. It’s a worthwhile gamble I think.

          • Chris

            You know what… Pavano was a workhorse before coming to the Yankees…

    • jsbrendog

      yes i am saying that pettitte might not be a viable #3 at this point in his career and may be mroe of a 4 or 5. moose is an unknown as you dont know if you will get this yrs moose or last yrs moose. I would love for him to continue to be this yrs moose, but people figure you out at this level at some point. aaaaaaaaaaand, on top of that, apparently since his texas hamstring injury last yr hughes is not only of incapable of comeing up with #5 numbers but majorl eague numbers in general. (not to say he wont at some point)

      where we stand right now you have wang (who goes to the dl every year 19 wins or not), joba (hasbeen bit by the injury bug too and is still unproven if he can adapt when he gets hit and beat up) and hughes/kennedy for next yr. and as of right now I do not for a second trust hughes or kennedy with a full time rotation spot next yr.

      bring in cc. I like sheets a lot too though.

    • r.w.g.

      I dunno.. don’t you think we really just need to add a dominating talent somewhere on the diamond?

      I don’t think it’s good to kind of look at your pitchers and say “well this ought to be good enough”. With the payroll advantage the Yanks have, they should look to fill their rotation out with as many #1 to #2 guys as possible.

      Maybe the team can get Ben Sheets and Derek Lowe for the same cost as one CC. I’m not sure if it would be the same impact, but we’ve got to fortify our rotation with some shut down pitchers. Right now we have one, and that’s Joba.

      • jsbrendog

        loo at what lowe has done this yr and last in the nl and yo want to bing him back to the al east? his best days are behindd him

        you will have to overpay for cc cause he likes the nl, but i really think sheets would be a good option

        • r.w.g.

          in a perfect world they would add CC and Sheets.

          CC
          Joba
          Sheets
          Wang
          Mussina/Hughes/Pettitte

    • Nady Nation

      Jamal, why are you so down on the potential signing of Teixeira? I don’t get why people seem so skeptical of this move. I recall you yourself saying how Giambi’s contract, which was 7 years, wasn’t nearly as bad as MSM (ahem, Heyman) made it out to be, and he was actually very productive for 5 of the 7 years. If you can get Teixeira for a similar contract, plus add his Gold Glove defense, what would you not like about that move?

      • daneptizl

        Teixiera’s not worth 20 million/year.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          It’s not your $20 million.

        • Nady Nation

          How do you figure? Please explain. Do you see what the market is like nowadays? So far in his career, he’s averaged 33 hr, 110 RBI, and a .915 OPS (including this year which has a month left), not to mention a gold glove. If that’s not worth 20 million a year, I have no idea what is

          • jsbrendog

            its not worth 10 yrs

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        I’m down. I like Texy all the more because he’s a switcher…

        • Pops

          Tex gives us the 2nd best hitting infield in baseball in my opinion… Bring in him CC and Burnett

          • jsbrendog

            burnett is not a free agent. he is under contract and until he opts out which is an IF he is not available

  • stuart

    Hank is not the boss Hal is, just a minor fact. Hal runs the show check it out, Hank is just bluster and nonsense…

    No to Tex, yes to CC…

    bye bye giambi, abreu, pettitte, and look to move Cano if it makes sense and try to move one of the matsui,damon, or nady ..

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Hank is not the boss Hal is, just a minor fact.

      That just isn’t true. Hank was put in charge of the baseball operations and Hal was put in charge of the financial aspects. I’m sure they both have a say in both, but officially, that’s what the power tree looks like. Just because the fans and the media like to poke fun at Hank and demean him does not make him any less involved in the Yankees’ operations.

      • Chris

        But if you look at all of the moves that have actually been made (or not made) they scream Hal, and not Hank. Hal is much more involved on a day to day basis. That’s not to say that Hank doesn’t have power, but it seems like at the end of the day Hal calls the shots.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          So because the Yankees convinced Hank not to acquire Johan Santana that somehow means he does not have as much power as his brother? Hank and Hal had two different viewpoints, they discussed it and as a team they went with Hal’s. How does those series of events lead one to believe Hank has less power?

          How do you know Hal is involved on a day to day basis “much more” than Hank? Just because Hank doesn’t go to games, reportedly?

          There has not been one shred of evidence to disprove the press release the Yankees gave out last year on the power tree of the Yankees.

          • jsbrendog

            player personnel decisions cannot be made without the checkbook. checkbook decisions are made without platyer personnel input.

            hal has more power.

            • Old Ranger

              This is not true.
              If one remembers some of the signings before they took over, Cash had said many times; “Fiscally, we made it work!”, or “Fiscally, it just didn’t work out right for us!”. Both are equal, but with different responsibilities. As one that has run a business, I hated to hear NO, from my controller. Same with the Yankees.

          • Old Ranger

            This is true!

          • Chris

            He’s more involved because he attends games and has regular meetings with Cash and Girardi. Hanks been at what, 2 games?

    • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

      But who goes to first if we say goodbye to Giambi? I’d like to have a ‘true’ first baseman for once, and not just a glorified DH with a glove.

      I say you also have to sign CC in case Andy or Moose decide to hang it up — preferably *before* that happens so we’re not seen as desperate for a starter.

      Let Hughes try and crack the rotation during ST. If he does, great. Then we have an embarrassment of riches that would rival the staffs of the dynasty years. Time to stop relying on other team’s castoffs to get us down the stretch…

      • jsbrendog

        yeah this scrap heap stuff is just upsetting dating all the way back to chacon and small

    • brockdc

      Yes, let’s definitely let Abreu go, with his high OBP, speed, and ability to spray the ball all over the place. The Yankees sure don’t want any more of that next year.

      They could sign Kotsay to take his place. Padding his “gamer” resume by playing for the Sox will make Yankee fans want him more. And his .330 OBP will look quite gorgeous in the third hole.

      • Joe

        Abreu has a good arm, but the rest of his defense is terrible. This team gives away a lot of runs with it’s defense. If you balance the two out, he is likely to give up more runs than he will generate. That’s my personal opinion from watching him play.

        • jsbrendog

          esp after that awful display trying to catch a ball yesterday when he ust backed into the wall with his eyes closed

      • daneptizl

        You’re so silly. Abreu used to be a high OBP guy, but is now just a pretty good OBP guy. Abreu doesn’t have speed. You can easily replace him with Nady… no need to go the silly route…

    • Count Zero

      Why would you move Nady? He’s the best OFer we have at this point and the FA market is lousy for OFers.

      I would consider Nady in LF (or possibly even RF if Abreu goes) to be a given. Damon is probably a better glove, but he can’t throw and Nady is just going to turn 30 in the offseason while Damon will turn 35.

      I would be happy to move Matsui or Damon, but no way I trade Nady unless I get another starting OFer in return…which seems kind of pointless.

      • Old Ranger

        Amen.

  • Joe

    Can they stop selling beer for half my hourly wage? Beause with the way they play sometimes I have to drink a lot to make it tolerable, Hankenstein get on top of this, let me know that you think the price the vendors charge for beer sucks and there’s gonna be some changes next year. Can’t they ink a free agent deal with Billy Beer, Cobra, or Old English, you know something a bit cheaper, so I can get my drink feeling like I’m selling my soul.
    While your at it Hank, I want to hear about how the music sucks and your not gonna take it anymore. “I think that rendition of Cotton Eyed Joe sucks and were gonna make some changes next year, Neil Diamond does a wonderful rendition, Neil’s gonna restore the Yankee Mystique to Cotton Eyed Joe!” “I can only imagine the Mick, the Yankees Clipper, and the Iron Horse having to deal with the Rednex version of Cotton Eyed Joe, they would be grounding into double plays left and right.” Turn the gears Hank, Turn them.

  • radnom

    Please, just dont run Cashmoney out of town.

    • jsbrendog

      seconded

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

    The first thing I thought of when I read “Hank: There will be changes”:

    “Tonight’s top story: The streets run read with Burgundy’s blood.”

    • Nady Nation

      PANDA WATCH

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Too bad our beloved Yankees don’t have their heads on a swivel. That’s what you need when you’re in the middle of a vicious cockfight.

        • Nady Nation

          Yea, it seems Cano has tried out this new fad called jogging out of the box, or yogging. It might be a soft “j”, I’m not sure.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            That’s funny… three minutes ago, my wife IM’d me and said she wants us to go on a 10K run this sunday, I was literally just thinking about that line.

            Personally, I’d rather just invite her to the pants party…

  • Claudell Washington

    Just like last season: We need to go with our youth and not make big trades. Well, our youth sucks and can’t stay healthy. Yankees tickets and everything else is gonna be extravagant whether the Yanks spend money or not, so lets go get Tex, CC, and Sheets. Why not? Let Giambi and Pudge go. Offer Abreau arbitration, and see if anyone wants Damon. Lets do it. Because I think Hughes is a bust, and Kennedy is a nothing.

    • daneptizl

      haha

  • Brian

    What happens with Abreu, Pettitte, Mussina, and Giambi?

    All four have made their case, but how do you pick and choose?

    I guess it’s essentially a secondary or tertiary question, the primary ones being who you can pick up to fill those spots that’s any better.

    I like that our Year 4 contracts with Damon and Matsui are coming, perhaps with Abreu for one more year, and Nady eliminating some of our reliance on Melky. But is Abreu looking for more than a year?

  • Chris

    The problem with the season is the offense, not pitching. The biggest holes in the lineup this season are at 2B, SS, C, and DH. The expectation is that all 4 of those should improve next season. Cano and Jeter are playing well the second half, so you would expect a return to form next season. Posada will be a huge upgrade at C, and having Matsui the entire season will be an upgrade at DH.

    The only position players that are leaving would potentially be Abreu and Giambi. I don’t know that you can upgrade from what Abreu’s given (at least not with a reasonable level of certainty). Teixeira would be an upgrade over Giambi, but not a huge one.

    • Joe

      We have had teams that can put up runs, but what happens when they see good pitching as in the last few play off years, they lose. Yes, we had an underperforming offense this year, and it finally couldn’t carry the team, with the mediocre pitching that we have had the last few years.

      • JohnnyC

        Pitching AND defense. We could live with a mediocre offense if we had great pitching and great defense. We have decent to good pitching but our defense is incapable of executing the big play (we don’t make a lot of errors because we don’t make a lot of plays either). Team speed in the field is a real problem.

        • Old Ranger

          You are very right on.

    • A.D.

      Giambi outside of a stretch with the stache, hasn’t been all that productive, maybe less so than Jeter or Cano

      • Chris

        Except the facts suggest otherwise…

  • bkight13

    Let Abreu, Giambi, Pudge, Pettitte, Marte go. Hopefully get some picks.
    Move Nady to RF and platoon Gardner/Christian/Melky/FA in CF, Damon in LF.
    Matsui is the DH, occasionally Posada when Molina catches.
    Overpay and get Teixiera.
    Sign a SP. CC, Sheets, Burnett. Re-sign Moose.

    RF Damon
    SS Jeter
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    DH Matsui
    RF Nady
    2B Cano
    C Posada/Molina
    CF Platoon

    CC(passing on Santana means we keep Hughes, Kennedy and Melky+CC)
    Wang
    Joba
    Moose
    Hughes

    They still probably save about $25-30M over this year.

  • Old Ranger

    August 28th, 2008 at 11:54 am
    One only needs to look around the league to see the teams that are winning consistently. LAA, Tampa, Boston (now), Blue Jays, even Baltimore are doing it with one or two power hitters, the rest of the guys are good contact/situational hitters. Very good defence and good pitching along with good contact/situational hitting is the way to go.
    A (very) few of us have been pitching this for most of the year (or less), but it seems as if a lot of people wish to bring back guys such as Jason, Bobby, Johnny, Pudge, Wilson even Matsui. In the type of baseball we need, these guys are the epicenter of a lot of our problems.
    Granted, unless we can obtain the players we need, we may need to bring back one or two. 27/08.

  • Pops

    get CC Tex and either Burnett or Sheets

    • nick blasioli

      good job pops..i agree…

  • Bo

    They have to get younger and more athletic. Tex takes care of 1b for a decade. CC gives them another ace under 30. They need to spend and spend a lot.

  • Geno

    I keep waiting for Hank to scream into the camera that next year we’re going to drink Boston’s milkshake. WE DRINK IT UP!

  • Hitman

    Give me a break. Just shut up already Hank.