Comments on: Moose rights his — and the Yanks’ — ships http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/ A New York Yankees Blog Sun, 27 May 2012 17:22:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mike A. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124439 Mike A. Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:35:58 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124439 The thing is that the Yanks have guys capable of replacing Ponson and Rasner. Kennedy's ready basically, and Hughes is a few weeks off. Who were they going to bring in the help the offense? They don't have anyone. And why pay twice for Sabathia? Trade a bunch of prospects for him, then you need to shell out $150M to keep him in the offseason. The thing is that the Yanks have guys capable of replacing Ponson and Rasner. Kennedy’s ready basically, and Hughes is a few weeks off.

Who were they going to bring in the help the offense? They don’t have anyone.

And why pay twice for Sabathia? Trade a bunch of prospects for him, then you need to shell out $150M to keep him in the offseason.

]]> By: Old Ranger http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124438 Old Ranger Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:32:15 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124438 I posted a diatribe (Thru/Fri) on replacing the OF for next year. Chris, not with standing, said (more or less) it was stupid...I would like to reiterate the proposal, why not do it. We are going to pass on Bobby, Jason anyhow, why not trade/send Melky to the MiL, use Matsui as DH...maybe trade Johnny, or not. Bring in some very good athletes for the OF, give Brett, Justin, Colin Curtis, A-Jax (AA), or even Cooper (A) a chance in spring training. I keep seeing and hearing of some blocked OF in the MiL systems (other teams) try to get one or two. I am considered an Optimist, I don't slam our players and never will, but there comes a time to go with the flow and be creative...not stupid. The OF will be new next year...instead of paying for ageing sluggers, let's go for athletes (that happen to be good ball players). Now, you are free to rip. 27/08?? I posted a diatribe (Thru/Fri) on replacing the OF for next year. Chris, not with standing, said (more or less) it was stupid…I would like to reiterate the proposal, why not do it.
We are going to pass on Bobby, Jason anyhow, why not trade/send Melky to the MiL, use Matsui as DH…maybe trade Johnny, or not. Bring in some very good athletes for the OF, give Brett, Justin, Colin Curtis, A-Jax (AA), or even Cooper (A) a chance in spring training. I keep seeing and hearing of some blocked OF in the MiL systems (other teams) try to get one or two.
I am considered an Optimist, I don’t slam our players and never will, but there comes a time to go with the flow and be creative…not stupid. The OF will be new next year…instead of paying for ageing sluggers, let’s go for athletes (that happen to be good ball players). Now, you are free to rip. 27/08??

]]> By: Bart http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124432 Bart Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:14:47 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124432 Lost in all the July trading window activity is the fact that Cashman traded guys that would have (might have if tried) brought Sabbathia and a solid Pitching based shot at October IRod is a rental who can bring draft choices. Nady and Marte are keepers who solve 2008 and 2009 problems areas. But the critical need is pitching. The question is do the 3 acqusiitons make for a better stretch run than Sabbathia? -- Piching Ponson is dodging bullets - his game was as awful as all his starts have been He does not control any aspect of the game as Pitching is expected to -- the outcome is just an accident -- this time guys caught balls that in earlier starts got by -- Now Rasner has to follow Ponson and Mussina and he will not benefit from the similarities in the rotation. A rotation of Pettit, Rasner, Joba, Mussina, (anyone but Ponson/Igawa/Pavano) defies convention because Rasner does nit rate a #2 but any looks the hitters get are at least strikingly different. Running Mussina, Ponson, and Rasner out in succession is a recipe for disater. and sets up losing streaks that out extra weight on Andy, Joba or Moose depending on where their turn falls. Back to the top -- Sabbathia for Karstens, Farnsworth, Tabata, Ohlendorf would have been a fine deal - mix as you will; add subtract a Gardner. Lost in all the July trading window activity is the fact that Cashman traded guys that would have (might have if tried) brought Sabbathia and a solid Pitching based shot at October

IRod is a rental who can bring draft choices. Nady and Marte are keepers who solve 2008 and 2009 problems areas. But the critical need is pitching.

The question is do the 3 acqusiitons make for a better stretch run than Sabbathia?

– Piching Ponson is dodging bullets – his game was as awful as all his starts have been

He does not control any aspect of the game as Pitching is expected to
– the outcome is just an accident
– this time guys caught balls that in earlier starts got by —

Now Rasner has to follow Ponson and Mussina and he will not benefit from the similarities in the rotation.

A rotation of Pettit, Rasner, Joba, Mussina, (anyone but Ponson/Igawa/Pavano) defies convention because Rasner does nit rate a #2 but any looks the hitters get are at least strikingly different.

Running Mussina, Ponson, and Rasner out in succession is a recipe for disater. and sets up losing streaks that out extra weight on Andy, Joba or Moose depending on where their turn falls.

Back to the top — Sabbathia for Karstens, Farnsworth, Tabata, Ohlendorf would have been a fine deal – mix as you will; add subtract a Gardner.

]]> By: Old Ranger http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124426 Old Ranger Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:00:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124426 I feel relatively the same. I'd like to see him pitch lights out for us, then...? I don't think it would be a bad call to bring him up (when ready) and let the other guys get fully ready. IPK, Phil and Aceves are getting closer. 27/08?? I feel relatively the same. I’d like to see him pitch lights out for us, then…? I don’t think it would be a bad call to bring him up (when ready) and let the other guys get fully ready. IPK, Phil and Aceves are getting closer. 27/08??

]]> By: r.w.g. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124413 r.w.g. Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:33:14 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124413 I think it is hard to give the Cy Young to a guy who has given up more hits than innings pitched. That said, he's been our ace. If the offense was even half this good for a number of his starts, he'd have almost 20 wins by now. I think it is hard to give the Cy Young to a guy who has given up more hits than innings pitched.

That said, he’s been our ace. If the offense was even half this good for a number of his starts, he’d have almost 20 wins by now.

]]> By: Mark B http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124383 Mark B Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:30:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124383 That's a pretty long shot, though. Unless he breaks down, the award is Cliff Lee's to lose at 14-2 with an ERA of 2.58 on a terrible team, almost a complete run below Mussina. Halladay probably comes in second with 12 wins, a 2.85 ERA and 7 CG. I see Moose challenging Joe Saunders and possibly Ervin Santana for third place. That’s a pretty long shot, though. Unless he breaks down, the award is Cliff Lee’s to lose at 14-2 with an ERA of 2.58 on a terrible team, almost a complete run below Mussina. Halladay probably comes in second with 12 wins, a 2.85 ERA and 7 CG. I see Moose challenging Joe Saunders and possibly Ervin Santana for third place.

]]> By: Lanny http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124373 Lanny Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:11:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124373 Moose has a shot for the Cy Young. No joke. Moose has a shot for the Cy Young. No joke.

]]> By: TheLastClown http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124372 TheLastClown Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:10:23 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124372 I don't know all the criteria used to evaluate Type A's & B's, but since it is calculated over the span of the two most recent seasons....you can't really think 11.1 IP, 12 H allowed, 6 ER....TWO games....from last year is going to factor into either Type A or B. Even if he pitches 5 or 6 quality starts *best case scenario* when he returns in late Aug/early Sept. Last year, the lowest rated Type B starter was Paul Byrd, obviously not fantastic, but an innings eater with decent 4 or 5 numbers. I don't know if Cashman would deal him, it would be selling extremely low on someone who could have a pretty high two month ceiling. Plus with the push back of Wangs recovery, we won't have him for the stretch drive, just for the playoffs. If Pavano can succeed, then the place is kept warm without totally relying on Hughes & IPK to be great, or Rasner & Ponson to survive.. But I do think he'll get thrown into the rotation, I think if he starts and wins a few games down the stretch it'll take a little salt out of the wound that is his signing/contract. And I think since his next job depends on it, he will pitch as well as he possibly can, and maybe not do stupid things that get him injured and then lie about it. He'll probably be an improvement over Rasberry and Sir Sid....but I don't even remember how he pitches. I can't remember ever seeing him to the point where I knew what he threw and thought along with him at all. I hope he does well & gets the hell out of not only the Yankees, but the American league. I don't want to see him succeed *if he can* any extended amount of times. Guys that behaved the way he did, especially coming back from injury, are leeches & liars, and if he was trying to "tough out" broken ribs in AAA so he could get back faster or some bullheaded pride-ego trip, then he's just a stupid lying leech. Oh well...I still want to see him pitch his ass off down the stretch :) I don’t know all the criteria used to evaluate Type A’s & B’s, but since it is calculated over the span of the two most recent seasons….you can’t really think 11.1 IP, 12 H allowed, 6 ER….TWO games….from last year is going to factor into either Type A or B. Even if he pitches 5 or 6 quality starts *best case scenario* when he returns in late Aug/early Sept. Last year, the lowest rated Type B starter was Paul Byrd, obviously not fantastic, but an innings eater with decent 4 or 5 numbers.

I don’t know if Cashman would deal him, it would be selling extremely low on someone who could have a pretty high two month ceiling. Plus with the push back of Wangs recovery, we won’t have him for the stretch drive, just for the playoffs. If Pavano can succeed, then the place is kept warm without totally relying on Hughes & IPK to be great, or Rasner & Ponson to survive..

But I do think he’ll get thrown into the rotation, I think if he starts and wins a few games down the stretch it’ll take a little salt out of the wound that is his signing/contract.

And I think since his next job depends on it, he will pitch as well as he possibly can, and maybe not do stupid things that get him injured and then lie about it. He’ll probably be an improvement over Rasberry and Sir Sid….but I don’t even remember how he pitches. I can’t remember ever seeing him to the point where I knew what he threw and thought along with him at all.

I hope he does well & gets the hell out of not only the Yankees, but the American league. I don’t want to see him succeed *if he can* any extended amount of times. Guys that behaved the way he did, especially coming back from injury, are leeches & liars, and if he was trying to “tough out” broken ribs in AAA so he could get back faster or some bullheaded pride-ego trip, then he’s just a stupid lying leech. Oh well…I still want to see him pitch his ass off down the stretch :)

]]> By: Old Ranger http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124365 Old Ranger Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:33:56 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124365 Another thing to think of; is Cash trying to trade Pavano? The way he is going in the MiL, he, Phil and IPK should be ready to pitch in the show before Sept. Maybe they can get a good OF prospect for Carl. When he is healthy, he is a good #3 pitcher...or do you guys think they may throw him into the rotation it self? They really have nothing to lose by giving him a few starts, he is a big improvement on Raz/Pounds...draft picks, if he shows well enough to be an A or B. 27/08? Another thing to think of; is Cash trying to trade Pavano? The way he is going in the MiL, he, Phil and IPK should be ready to pitch in the show before Sept. Maybe they can get a good OF prospect for Carl. When he is healthy, he is a good #3 pitcher…or do you guys think they may throw him into the rotation it self? They really have nothing to lose by giving him a few starts, he is a big improvement on Raz/Pounds…draft picks, if he shows well enough to be an A or B. 27/08?

]]> By: Old Ranger http://riveraveblues.com/2008/08/moose-rights-his-and-the-yanks-ships-3486/#comment-124361 Old Ranger Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:22:59 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=3486#comment-124361 Looks like the moose has put it together this year. He sure picked the right time to pitch well...thanks Moose. He and Pounds did very well for two washed up pitchers. Now, we need the rest of the team to pick it up. 27/08? Looks like the moose has put it together this year. He sure picked the right time to pitch well…thanks Moose.
He and Pounds did very well for two washed up pitchers. Now, we need the rest of the team to pick it up. 27/08?

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