Aug
14
Not enough $$$ for ’09?
ByThe perpetually under-rated Tim Marchman of The NY Sun muses about how the Yanks will fill their roster next year without blowing the budget. He raises some excellent points, especially since the Yanks may have to replace their number 2 & 3 starters, as well as their number 3 & 5 hitters. Check it out.
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Not enough money when you’re moving into the best revenue-generating stadium in history? I don’t buy it. They probably won’t put anybody else in the bullpen besides maybe picking up Marte’s 6 million (which they also might not) and just let the young guys fight for it. It worked well this year.
Figure sign Sabathia for 25 million and bring back Pettite/Mussina for 10 million. Now you have 40 million left to sign a first basemen and outfielder (of course you could trade for one as well). Figure 20 million for Tex and you have 20 million to find an outfielder and fill the bench.
That leaves
CC Sabathia
Wang
Hughes
Joba
Mussina/Pettite/Sheets?
in the rotation with a lineup of
Damon LF/CF
Jeter SS
Matsui LF/DH
A-Rod 3B
Tex 1B
Nady RF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Melky/Gardner/whoever they find CF or DH (Giambi?)
that way you still have Betemit/Molina on the bench with room for two more fillers. You figure Jeter, A-Rod, Cano and Tex play everyday so the bench probably has a Christian or Gardner on it regardless
I really don’t see the yanks signing both Tex and Sabathia. Obviously one of them especially Sabathia but not two.
Can someone explain to my why the Angels would let Teixiera hit the open market anyways? He seems like he’s been a boon for them, and another piece of their puzzle…what makes people think they wouldn’t try to keep him. Am I missing something?
I’d go for Sabathia and Sheets hard by the way.
they will try to keep him.
but the missing piece is Boras.
he usually takes his clients to free agency no matter what.
he considers the current team one of 30 bidders. see Bernie, Damon, A-Rod, etc.
but he doesn’t let his clients sign without at least testing the market.
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.
Do you think the Yankees, after the disappointment this season, would be willing to open up the warchest and go after Sabathia AND Teixiera, realistically?
plus Tex has already said he wants to test free agency. He didn’t have to wait for Boras to say it.
you are so right…i agree with you one hundred percent…except…i dont think that melky is going to be involved…the only thing about giambi, is that he strikes out too much….
I agree on both points. I hope there’s an upgrade made to the outfield but we may settle for addition by subtraction if Matsui can play left next season. That way we can pretty much run anybody out there at DH (such as Adam Dunn who has his own strikeout problems but can really mash)
He also mentions the bizzare hypothetical of signing Frank Thomas, at one point, whcih was apparantly only on his radar.
I like Marchman, but I wasn’t necessarily buying his argument this time out.
Well you do have Nady to replace Abreu, and some young pitching to replace Moose/Pettitte. That said he does make some intriguing points that this team might have alot things stay the same.
Also take account the new stadium, which is gonna be a gold mine. Nevertheless, if they wanna cut payroll they probably gotta let some expensive pieces go and look for obviously cheaper alternatives.
That said, just reading the article if the yanks relatively stay the same and maybe look for cheap alternatives and etc, then the yanks are crossing their fingers on some risky things. Cano bouncing back and I think he will, Jeter Bouncing back, Po coming healthy and contributing, Young pitchers developing, Wang healthy and BP performance which can change time to time.
I will say this it’s gonna be a very fascinating offseason if the yanks don’t make the playoffs.
I will say this it’s gonna be a very fascinating offseason if the yanks don’t make the playoffs.
even if they make the playoffs, it will still be fascinating.
i think they have planned on 2009 for big changes since 2005 or 2006 and this team’s performance won’t do much to alter those plans.
the only thing it probably has changed is that CF will need to be addressed. i think they were comfortable with Melky keeping CF warm for A-Jack, but in 2009 they are going to need some sort of stop-gap.
“i think they have planned on 2009 for big changes since 2005 or 2006 and this team’s performance won’t do much to alter those plans.”
Well that’s the same year that Cashman had full power which tells me he will resign.
Anyway, you probably right though. As for CF, well they could use Gardner but deep down they really wanna use A-Jax to start the season but again he’s somewhat raw. Melky well I don’t know about him. He has no value except his D and and the yanks really don’t wanna use him.
No way they rush A-Jax and have him start in center next season. He’ll get half a year minimum at AAA and will move up if he tears the league apart
As for the pitching, I don’t know they will bring back both Pettitte and Moose. Maybe one of them but not both.
i’d like to see the yankees make some move in the rule V draft. its low risk possibly high reward and if they dont make it then you send them back. there has to be comeone out there, an outfield prospect possibly major legue ready they can pluck out and give a shot to….or a reliever or hell a starter who knows….
I would rather have the Yanks move Nady to first than have them sign Teixeira. The Yanks can sign Roco Baldelli or Milton Bradley for the corner outfield spot and maybe put Mike Cameron in centerfield.
Rocco Baldelli just sneezed and died. He’s not available right now.
And Milton Bradley is just the sort of calm, steadying presence who will thrive in the low-key media environment that is New York.
and isnt cameron uinder contract for next yr?
Team option for next year. The Brewers may decline it.
yeah, Marchman is doing a lot of double counting here.
for example, he counts Matsui’s salary, then says they need a “regular DH”. do they?
then he tacks on $6M for another reliever in addition to Marte. do they really need to do that? i don’t think so.
also, how much money do you think the bench will cost? he seems to think this is an issue, but it’s not. bench players are cheap. that’s why they are bench players. and Molina and Melky (who will hopefully be a bench player) are already counted.
the Yankees can certainly build a great team with their current budget.
Agreed. Need a DH??? Matsui and Damon will do just fine thank you very much. Plus agreed no way in hell they will spend 6 million on a set-up man again, maybe just maybe 3 or 4 million but thats it. Actually I would pick up Marte’s option and not touch the bullpen, stay with the young arms from this season plus I assume Melancon and/or Cox as well. The Yankees are gonna have a shitload of money to really do whatever they want this off-season….
We’ve been discussing this over at BTF all day.
This is what I wrote there:
ROTATION
Mussina and Pettitte are FAs. The Yankees have Wang, Joba, Hughes and IPK under control.
Personally, I think the Yanks would LIKE to get C.C., and keep Mussina ($11MM in 2008) and Pettitte ($16MM in 2008).
But for the sake of the argument, let’s say that C.C. gets $20MM, Mussina $13MM and Pettitte the same as Mussina (I can’t see Pettitte getting more than Mussina, and Moose will probably want a raise).
If the 3 stay, the Yankees have added $9MM to the rotation (after subtracting $10MM for Pavano and the $1MM difference for Pettite and Mussina). No biggie.
BULLPEN
It all depends on whether the Yanks want to keep Marte, and at what price, but Marchman seems to be forgetting that the Yankees were paying Hawkins $3.5MM and Farnsworth $5MM this year (not all of Farns to be picked up by the Yankees after he was traded).
Assuming they do pick up Marte for $6MM (and I’m more inclined to think they turn that into a 2 year for $9MM or $10MM), that’s still $2.MM in savings.
Conservatively, the Yankees have incresed their payroll by $7.5MM, and have added C.C., keeping Mussina, Pettitte and Marte.
(I don’t see the Yanks signing an outside reliever).
CATCHERS
Posada is signed for the year as is Molina. I-Rod will be offered arbitration, which he will almost certainly reject (netting the Yanks two draft picks).
Depending on how Posada looks, the Yanks may sign another back-up catcher for (say) $2MM per.
Conservatively, the Yankees have increased their payroll by $9.5MM
1B
I don’t think the Yanks will sign Teixeira. They may keep Giambi, but not at $17MM for 2009 (the $5MM being a sunk cost).
They may also move Matsui here (somehow nobody seems to mention the possibility that Matsui may be moved to 1B, which seems pretty obvious to me, especially if he has all the off-season to prepare for it).
If the Yanks keep Giambi for (say) $13MM (plus his $2008) buyout, the Yankees will have trimmed their payroll by about $4MM (my understanding is that Giambi is making $21MM this year). Their net payroll increase at that point is $5.5MM
If the Yanks move Matsui to 1B, they’d be saving $17MM here. Their net payroll DECREASE at that point is $7MM.
2B
Cano’s signed, and he’s not moving anywhere.
SS
Jeter’s signed, and he’s not moving anywhere.
3B
A-Rod’s signed, and he’s not moving anywhere.
OF
Damon and Nady are signed and are not moving anywhere. Matsui is part of the mix, and he’s signed too.
Melky may remain as 4th OF. The Yanks may sign someone else for CF (a Marlon Byrd type) to a 1 year. Let’s say $7MM.
IF they kept Giambi, payroll is up by $12.5Mm
If they did not keep Giambi, payroll is even.
But here’s the catch – Abreu is gone for sure, and the difference between him and Nady in salary (I think Nady’s going to arb this year – in 2008, Nady’s making $3.35MM plus some bonsuses). will be about $10MM. So worst case scenario, the Yankee payroll will be up by $2.5MM, but it may be down $10MM.
And that’s assuming the Yanks keep both Mussina and Pettitte and get C.C.
DH
IMO, the Yanks will rotate everyone through here at some point. That means Posada, Matsui, Damon, A-Rod, Giambi (if they keep him). I doubt the Yanks will sign a full-time DH, because they will need this position open to rotate other players.
I don’t agree with a lot of Marchman’s article, which is not unusual.
ROTATION
Mussina and Pettitte are FAs. The Yankees have Wang, Joba, Hughes and IPK under control.
Personally, I think the Yanks would LIKE to get C.C., and keep Mussina ($11MM in 2008) and Pettitte ($16MM in 2008).
But for the sake of the argument, let’s say that C.C. gets $20MM, Mussina $13MM and Pettitte the same as Mussina (I can’t see Pettitte getting more than Mussina, and Moose will probably want a raise).
If the 3 stay, the Yankees have added $9MM to the rotation (after subtracting $10MM for Pavano and the $1MM difference for Pettite and Mussina). No biggie.
BULLPEN
It all depends on whether the Yanks want to keep Marte, and at what price, but Marchman seems to be forgetting that the Yankees were paying Hawkins $3.5MM and Farnsworth $5MM this year (not all of Farns to be picked up by the Yankees after he was traded).
Assuming they do pick up Marte for $6MM (and I’m more inclined to think they turn that into a 2 year for $9MM or $10MM), that’s still $2.MM in savings.
Conservatively, the Yankees have incresed their payroll by $7.5MM, and have added C.C., keeping Mussina, Pettitte and Marte.
(I don’t see the Yanks signing an outside reliever).
CATCHERS
Posada is signed for the year as is Molina. I-Rod will be offered arbitration, which he will almost certainly reject (netting the Yanks two draft picks).
Depending on how Posada looks, the Yanks may sign another back-up catcher for (say) $2MM per.
Conservatively, the Yankees have increased their payroll by $9.5MM
1B
I don’t think the Yanks will sign Teixeira. They may keep Giambi, but not at $17MM for 2009 (the $5MM being a sunk cost).
They may also move Matsui here (somehow nobody seems to mention the possibility that Matsui may be moved to 1B, which seems pretty obvious to me, especially if he has all the off-season to prepare for it).
If the Yanks keep Giambi for (say) $13MM (plus his $2008) buyout, the Yankees will have trimmed their payroll by about $4MM (my understanding is that Giambi is making $21MM this year). Their net payroll increase at that point is $5.5MM
If the Yanks move Matsui to 1B, they’d be saving $17MM here. Their net payroll DECREASE at that point is $7MM.
2B
Cano’s signed, and he’s not moving anywhere.
SS
Jeter’s signed, and he’s not moving anywhere.
3B
A-Rod’s signed, and he’s not moving anywhere.
OF
Damon and Nady are signed and are not moving anywhere. Matsui is part of the mix, and he’s signed too.
Melky may remain as 4th OF. The Yanks may sign someone else for CF (a Marlon Byrd type) to a 1 year. Let’s say $7MM.
IF they kept Giambi, payroll is up by $12.5Mm
If they did not keep Giambi, payroll is even.
But here’s the catch – Abreu is gone for sure, and the difference between him and Nady in salary (I think Nady’s going to arb this year – in 2008, Nady’s making $3.35MM plus some bonsuses). will be about $10MM. So worst case scenario, the Yankee payroll will be up by $2.5MM, but it may be down $10MM.
And that’s assuming the Yanks keep both Mussina and Pettitte and get C.C.
DH
IMO, the Yanks will rotate everyone through here at some point. That means Posada, Matsui, Damon, A-Rod, Giambi (if they keep him). I doubt the Yanks will sign a full-time DH, because they will need this position open to rotate other players.
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Further to my previous e-mail, it’s also good to keep in mind that (1) The salary cap floor goes up every year, so the Yanks will get some minor relief even if they stay EXACTLY where they were in 2008;
(2) The Yankees get a credit for revenue sharing purposes due to new Yankee Stadium, so that’s more money they keep in house.
http://tinyurl.com/3wt9fa
“As per rules in the Basic Agreement, the Yankees, like any other team opening a new stadium, are allowed a credit against revenue sharing each season to pay down debt on construction costs. The Yankees, who pay rent at the current stadium and have no operational costs, are currently the highest payee into the revenue-sharing system, having contributed approximately $100 million alone last season, Steinbrenner said.”
pettite wont take less than the 16 mill he got the last 2 yrs and moose ill not be ithcing to take a pay cut either
Moose is getting $11MM this year. I’m assuming a $2MM raise for him.
I don’t see Pettitte pitching for $16MM next year. Frankly, if the Yanks have lined up Sabathia, the Yanks should not resign Pettitte for $16MM, unless (maybe) it’s a 1 year deal OR if Mussina has decided not to pitch anymore.
This becomes much easier if young players produce and you don’t have to rely on going out and signing guys for what they’ve done in the past. I think this team needs to make a run at Sabathia, but I’d pass on Tiexiera given his contract demands.
See if Posada shifts to first base and look into a reduced-price Pudge for a couple of years while waiting for the low minor league catching prospects to mature. The rest of the infield is set and a combination of Nady/Damon/Matsui/Melky probably fills out the outfield and DH spot. Although I’d see what if any trade value Melky still has.
With Sabathia, the Yankees are looking at a rotation or Sabathia, Wang, Joba and Hughes (I’m still on the bandwagon). Then see if Moose or Pettitte will come back at a somewhat reduced rate.
Younger players are cheaper because of the system baseball has, and staying under budget often times revolves around not having to get a slew of veterans because your young players were rushed or underperforming. Look to the Red Sox, their young cheap players (Youkilis, Pedroia, Papelbon, etc) are performing well, enabling the Red Sox to fill in veteran players (and larger contracts) as their leisure, not out of desperation.
cc doesn’t want to pitch in the bronx, so we’re gonna have to overpay to get him here
so be it.
whywould you bring in smoeone who doesnt want to be here?
everyone seems to think that Teixeira is the ONLY big bat on the market.
he’s not. Burrell and Dunn and Manny are out there. there are others that might be available in trade. Holliday could be traded.
the yankees need Sabathia and one of the bats. i vote for Burrell.
then they need someone with a pulse to play CF and one of pettitte or moose.
it’s not as crazy as everyone thinks (obviously Sabathia is the key).
say good bye to Abreu, Giambi, and one of Moose or Pettitte.
Damon, Jeter, A-Rod, Nady, Burrell, Posada, Cano, Matsui, CFer.
that team will score runs.
I been telling people that I’ll be surprise if Texiera is a yankee. There is something about him the rubs me wrong. He always reminds me of Beltran.
CC is really the yankees want. And unless he’s not fully committed of coming to NY then most likey he’s a yankee. Plus, lets face it, who will be bidding against to get CC? Seriously if you think about it.
The one thing you can garentee on, the yanks are gonna have alot of draft picks.
I don’t think you all understand how the draft picks work. We have to offer arbitration which means basically their salary can only go up for the next year. Pudge would probably take arb because who else is going to pay him 13+ mil next year. Same for Abreu, I don’t think he will get another 16 or 17 mil contract. Plus, with the FA’s we are looking to sign, we lose picks also. I think we are only going to have one first rounder, two if Cole doesn’t sign.
Pudge might not get $13M, but he might get a 3 year $30M deal from someone.
same with Abreu.
he won’t get $16M, but he might get 3 years, $36-39M from someone.
i think both of those guys are excellent risks to offer arbitration to.
worst case: eat a little money and trade them.
also, if i’m cc, i’m liking this whole “national league” thing
If I’m CC, I’m liking this “Yankees offer me 25 million dollars a season” thing
I don’t see any world where they sign Teixeira. I believe they’ve learned their lesson on those long contracts and I don’t think they’re giving anyone 7+ years unless they’re an ace in their prime or a future home run king (a la A-Rod.) I think Sabathia is their number one target. I think they will make runs at keeping Andy and Moose and likely will keep one maybe both, but only at a reduced cost. Wouldn’t be surprised if one of them retired as well. No way is Abreu coming back, and I’d be surprised to see Giambi back unless they can get him for $7MM or something.
I think the OP is largely correct, the only bat I can see the Yankees pursuing would be Dunn, with the intent of putting him at 1B and letting him hit 40 HR into the short porch. Unfortunately, I think he’ll require too much cash, and I also think the media would kill him, he’s like Giambi, only he strikes out even more.
There’s no way Manny is coming, and I don’t like Burrell either. Also, there’s no way they’re signing Sheets after the Pavano debacle.
The 2009 Yanks will likely be younger, but roughly the same offense the 2008 Yanks would have had if they were all healthy. And with a true ace at the top of the rotation. They could sign nobody and a top 3 of Sabathia, Chamberlain and Wang will keep them in the pennant race even with this year’s mediocre offense.
why don’t you like Burrell?
honest question, you seem like a smart guy, and maybe i am missing something.
the more i think about him, the more i think he might get the most “reasonable” contract b/c he seems to be really underrated.
Sabathia, Burrell, Pettitte, someone to play CF.
that’s my off-season wish list.
I shouldn’t say I don’t like Burrell, he’s an excellent hitter. I just don’t like him for the Yanks, since they have 3 Left Fielders already (granted Nady probably moves to RF next year) and because he’s probably a 4 year deal and I don’t think I like him so much at 35 – he’s like a right handed Abreu-lite. If they could get him for $8MM per on a 3 year deal, sure. But its probably more like $12-14MM per on a 4-5 year deal, and I don’t like that.
12-14 million for 4-5 years?? I definitely don’t see him getting close to that. It’s no secret he’s 35
He’s 31 right now.
What the newspaper column also forgets to acknowledge is trading.The Yankees could pick up Marte’s option and keep him or trade him.And Damon should also be shipped off.And the Yankees have some prospects that are tradable.
100% correct.
it wouldn’t be impossible to trade Matsui either. they’d probably have to send some cash, but you don’t think Seattle would want Matsui for about $10M to DH?
Yeah, I think if the Yanks can get someone to take either Damon or Matsui, they should jump on it. Then they have the room to sign someone younger for the OF/DH mix and keep the savings to get someone to man CF for a year while A-Jax tries Scranton on for size. Ideally they’d deal Damon and Melky, sign another corner bat, take a flyer on a cheap CF type and let Gardner be the fourth OF. Hopefully pick up a AAAA C type in one of those deals as Posada insurance in case he can’t come back or has to be moved to 1B.
I think a healthy Matsui is better than Damon, but given Matsui’s health issues, maybe he’d be the preferable one to deal. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t Damon though if they deal anyone, he’s got more value and I’m not entirely sure the Yanks are ready to give up on Matsui’s marketing value either.
Has Matsui been around long enough to be a 10 / 5 guy?
No
Why would the Yanks want to trade Damon? Wasn’t he just leading the league in hitting?
Not wasn’t, he is leading the league in hitting right now and there’s no way in hell the Yankees trade him. I don’t even understand trading Matsui who has zero trade value right now because he’s old, hurt and has a big contract. I’d say there’s almost zero chance of either of those two getting traded. There’s a much higher chance of Melky getting traded for a bag of balls
except his contract isn’t big at all.
esp if the yankees ate a few million.
I like Burrell. He’s a righthanded power hitter something yanks need. Also his OBP% is always above average and gets alot walks. Plus, he won’t be intimidated by NY at all. The problem with the yankee lineup they alot of free swinging guys who are not OBP% people.
agreed. this year’s line-up is definitely missing the patience of posada and matsui
Does anyone have a list of players who might be minor league free agents?
Not yet, BA usually comes out with one after the season. It’s usually 600 players deep or so.
Yankees Rotation 2009 (DROOL)
Sabathia
Darvish (Yeah I said it, it’s meant)
Wang
Chamberlain
Hughes/Moose/ Pettite take yer pick
C- I. Rod
3B- A.Rod
SS- Jeter
2B-Cano
1B- Posada
DH-Giambino
OF
Nady LF/RF
Matsui DH/LF
Damon CF/LF/DH
Gardner- CF (Warming CF until June for Ajax)
I’ll be very wary signing Darvish to a multi year deal.
Personally I wouldn’t sign I-Rod for catcher and I’ll try get a natural first baseman. I-Rod is a free swinger who doesn’t walks and is aging Po is a better hitter period than I-Rod.
i dont agree that po is a better hitter than irod period.. po isnt a 300 hitter and irod is.. the problem is we have jorge for 3 more stupid years.. ill take ivan over po if we could get anything of value in a deal for po
po isnt a 300 hitter and irod is..
come on, you’re better than this.
In my fantasy life we send Igawa back to Japan as part of Darvish’s posting fee. But I don’t see him coming to the US next year and with CC at the top I don’t think we’ll need him. He didn’t exactly dominate the Cubans. (Though CNN reports that Blakely was at the Cuba-Japan game scouting so who knows?)
On the other hand, I’m sure the Yankees are realize that Matsui is winding down and that a Japanese star is important for their marketing. Just how important is hard to tell. The big money comes from merchandise sales and broadcasting, but all of that revenue is shared. The increased demand for signage no doubt supports their advertising rates, but I don’t know how much. An article about Matsuzaka estimated his value at $3 million a year. Not peanuts, but hardly a windfall.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....n_pitcher/
I would be suprised if Tex is in the bronx next year. We have posada signed for three more years and if this year proved anyhting a move to the DH or first is likely down the road for him. We don’t need the same logjam of 1b and DH that we have had in the past.
if manny really wants to play in new york and we can get him for like 25 or 30 mill on a 2 or 3 year deal we better jump on it idc what kind of risk he brings… i agree on sabathia, id go after sheets hard also… i would really want tex but what can ya do..// my wish list is CC Tex and Manny.. Resign Abreu than we can deal matsui/melky/damon or w.e/// i prefer to keeep damon tho. nady played some center right… i want manny dude idc bout if he makes sense or not.. if u have bobby arod manny nady god damn or manny arod tex nady… jesus man// thats the kind of guy we need tex or manny.. we need another bat like that can get us 30 homers and a 280 to 300 avg.. manny or tex would be a perfect signing to help the lineup no matter how you look at it.. imagine having manny hit a few hrs in boston in a series for the yankees.. imagine him hitting 320 for us with 30 or so home runs.. my god man its be beautifull.. i love the idea of manny i really do if its a 3 year deal at most. i dont wanna see giambi back tho for 1b thats hwy i would like tex
Yeaaah boieee; Giambi out, Pudge out, Abreu out, Pettitte out, Pavano out, we are still paying for hawkins out, Mussina Perchance Out
Damon CF/LF
Jeter SS
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
ManRam LF/DH
Matsui DH/LF
Posada C!!!!!!!
Cano 2B
Nady RF
Sabathia
Wang
Sheets
Joba
Huges + AAAAs
lose 4 free agents in pavano, giambi, pettitte, Mussina, and gain 4 more
I feel the Organization is going to Go for it, all out. first year in the new park. We lose Damon, Matsui, Marte, etc. after 09; we can get younger and cheaper then.
I would absolute love to see this lineup next year, but do you realize that if we were to do this, we would be spending in excess of 350 million to sign Tex/Manny/CC/Sheets?
It’s not going to happen…
I want Manny ! hed be perfect
ehhhhhhhhhhh wrong
Damon Jeter Bobby Arod Manny Tex/Giambi Nady Cano Posada— that should be the yankee lineup right there for 09 if hank wants to win it… go get manny tex and cc
Sign Sabathia. Some combination of Sabathia, Wang, Joba, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes fills out the rotation.
Pass on Teixiera (spelling?). Pass on Abreu.
Put Damon in left and Nady in right.
Fill CF with Melky, Christian, or Gardner. Or try to trade for a CFer.
Resign Giambi to a cheaper deal, with A-Rod, Jeter and Cano filling out the infield.
That leaves a lineup of:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Giambi 1B
Nady RF
Cano 2B
Posada/Molina C
Melky/Gardner/Christian
Maybe not in that exact order, but that’s a pretty darn good lineup and rotation.
I think whether or not Marte’s option will be picked up depends on how he pitches for the next 1.5 months.
While falling out of contention sucks for this year it is helpful for next year. We can take the opportunity in September to really see what we have in the minors. I would like to see what guys like Carson and maybe even Malec come up to find out what they have on the major league level. They are both older guys who are playing well and are either going to pan out in the near future or fall off the wagon. I sure there are others as well. If any of these guys can fill a role for 2009 then we save some cash and get a real bump. If they flame out then at least we know and they can be moved out of the system.
im telling you having manny in our lineup would make our lineup much more feared…lets talk bout damon on 2nd with jeter on 1st with manny arod and nady the next 3 up in the order with 0 outs… thats awesom
Except that Manny will be a butcher in that huge left field and then suddenly his knee will hurt and he won’t want to play. No thanks
What makes you think that Manny will play hard once he signs? Sure he can hit, but that’s not everything.
well, if you are the DH, it kindof is everything.
i’d sign him to DH, but not as the everyday LFer.
spend 280 mill on Tex/CC/Manny 30 mill for manny 125 a piece for tex and cc
lol never mind 125 wont be enough for those 2.. we gotta get CC and one of those hitters tho
Nice quandary to have, all that money coming off the books or keeping some of them. I disagree with the article completely (well, most anyhow).
Depends on how Pavano pitches this year, if he does well…pick up his contract, gotta get something from him. He was a very good pitcher, maybe he has something in his arm yet. Put Posada at 1st/DH/C, I can’t see his arm bouncing back (maybe I’ll be wrong, I hope). Call up Cervelli for catcher along with Molina, Cervelli is good…and a good hitter (AAA etc.). Bring up Matt Carson, Brett, and Justin to fight for OF…or find a better guy that is blocked on another teams MiL roster. BP is ok, let them fight it out for jobs in ST. We have Joba, Phil, Pavano, CMW and one of Moose/Andy as starters…if we can get CC, that would be great. 2nd, 3rd, ss, 1st, 2 OF jobs are set…as of now, unless they trade Matsui and/or Johnny. Simple, would it work out…? Must get younger and more athletic, mainly in the OF. The whole thing is very tenuous but, I’m sure Cash and his people have something up their sleeves.
We all have our own ideas, I don’t think many of them are bad…just different. 29/09?
Ranger, i love your optimism, but there is a better chance that i will be pitching in the new Yankee stadium than Pavano’s option getting picked up.
You may well be right. My point is, IF he shows he can still pitch as he once could, why not pick up his option? I know, all of us are sick of his injuries but, business is business…and why give him the option to go elsewhere and get a lot of $$$. 27/09?
I think Marchman generally does a good job, but starting from the premise that the Yankees will “shell out about $200 million altogether, as they usually do” is pretty lousy basis to rest his analysis on.
According to Cot’s, the payroll for the Yankees 25-roster the last decade is below.
2008: $209,081,577
2007: $189,639,045
2006: $194,663,079
2005: $208,306,817
2004: $184,193,950
2003: $152,749,814
2002: $125,928,583
2001: $112,287,143
2000: $107,588,459
Tim could have written a decent article about how much the 2009 roster is going to cost, but he’s frankly wrong if he thinks the team won’t spend as required to address its needs. The payroll may wind up being $220 or $230, but won’t be limited to $200 for the sake of coming in at $200.
Are you guys kidding me? Marchman’s column made no sense to me AT ALL!
Next years rotation: 1)CC 2)Wang 3)Joba 4)Petite/Moose 5)Hughes/Kennedey
Thats a GREAT rotation and it only requires signing 1 FA starting pitcher so I dont really know where he came up the Yankees needing 2 new SP’s…
The yankees only need to place Texiera into their lineup next year and I dont know where he came up with the Yanks needing a 3 and 5 hole hitter, and we already have a DH (Matsui) and full outfield (Melky sucks but gardner can’t be much worse) so those arguments make no sense either!!!
1. damon 2. jeter 3. a-rod 4. texeira 5. matsui 6. nady 7. posada 8. cano 9. melky/gardner/anyone that can hit over .250
All I did was add Texeira and CC and the yankees are loaded! Between them the max they can command is $45 Mill. so according to his estimations we have another 23 million (after the buyouts of giambi and pavano) to blow on help with the bullpen, bench, and whatever else you may desire before the yankees reach their ” spending cap” as he thinks there is (which does not exist)…
Overall I thought he wrote a very poor column that clearly wasnt thought out enough to be published… The yankees are in great shape for next year and I look forward to a 27th world championship in 2009.
My 2009 Team, I’ll try me best to keep it realistic(sp):
Rotation:
Wang (Arb elig: Give him another 1 yr deal say around 7 mil)
C.C. (120 mil/6 yrs)
Joba (<500K)
Pettite(8 mil/ 1 yr)
Hughes(<500K)
Total Rotation Cost: 36 mil
Bullpen:
Rivera (15 mil)
Veras (< 500K)
E-Ram (< 500K)
Marte (6 mil)
Robertson (< 500K)
Orlando Hernandez? or vet. RHRP( 1 mil)
Geise (< 500K)
Total Bullpen Cost: 24 mil
Total Pitching Staff Cost : 60 mil
Notes:
Kennedy and Melancon will likey be on the roster before the end of the season.
Lineup:
LF Damon (13 mil)
SS Jeter (20 mil)
DH Matsui (13 mil)
3B A-Rod (32 mil)
2B Cano (6 mil; Predicting huge bounceback yr)
RF Nady (arb ellig, 8 mil/1 yr)
-C Posada (13 mil)
1B Betiemit (arb ellig 2 mil/ 1 yr)
CF Melky (arb ellig 1.5 mil/ 1yr)
Lineup Cost: 108.5 mil
Bench:
C Molina(2 mil)
SS Felipe Lopez (1 Mil)
CF Gardner (<500K)
1B Duncan (<500K)
Bench Cost: 4 mil
Total Positional Players Cost: 112.5 Mil
Total Roster Cost: 172.5 mil
Notes:
-Gardner and Melky will both share time in CF until Jackson is ready.
-Matsui learns to play a little 1B in Spring Training.
-Betietmit plays against RH, and Duncan against LH.
-Lopez and Molina can take time away from Betiemit/Duncan by having Molina at C and Posada at 1B/DH, or Lopez at SS and Jeter at DH
-Melky/Gardner can take time away from Betiemit/Duncan by having Melky in RF, and Garner in CF.
-Juan Miranda could get called up to play 1B/DH depending on the circumstances.
What we haave here is a very flexible roster, with multiple players having the ability to play multiple positions.
*If Furcal is willing to sign for 36 mil/ 3 yrs then sign him to play SS and leadoff, move Jeter to LF, and trade Damon.
Rotation
CC- its all up to him on whether or not he’s a yank, but i think he’ll be here
Wang
Pettitte
Joba (could be flipped with andy in the rotation, but because of seniority he’s at 4)
Hughes
Lineup
LF- Damon
SS- Jeter
DH- Matsui
3B- Arod
RF- Nady
C- Posada
CF- Baldelli- see what he’s asking for (shouldn’t be too much) and if the yanks deem him too much of an injury risk, settle for a half year of melky/gardner/christian until a-jack is ready
2B- Cano
1B- Menky- I’m convinced jorge will ultimatley end up here (be it this year or next) so I’m not for the idea of bringing in Tex. Dougy would share time at first with po betimit. And let’s face it, who doesn’t want Dougy Bombs back on the team.
BP
Mo
Marte
Veras
Edwar
Robertson
Melancon
Giese
Bench
C-Molina
OF- Christian (i think they’ll still want to give regular at-bats to gardner)
IF- Betimit
Last bench slot- ???
While the line-up is obviously not as imposing without the likes of tex and manny, it’s a much better fielding team and with a stacked rotation like that that, the flexibility will be much better than if we sign a tex or manny.
“I’m convinced jorge will ultimatley end up here (be it this year or next) so I’m not for the idea of bringing in Tex. Dougy would share time at first with po betimit. And let’s face it, who doesn’t want Dougy Bombs back on the team.”
How? has he already started his rehab program? Are you a doctor? Do you have a crystal Ball?
why is no one including mussina in the plan for next year? he’s learned to pitch at a slower velocity and could have a moyer-like lifespan
b/c i think he’s earned a 2-3 year deal, and i’d rather the Yankees not be the ones to give him it.
i’d rather go year to year with Pettitte.
but if Pettitte retires, i’d be OK with giving moose 2 years.
How about CC Tex and Baldelli// than resign either moose or pettite also keep abreu
My 2009 NYY:
Damon, LF 13.0
Jeter, SS 20.0
Texiera, 1b 20.0
A-Rod, 3B 33.0
Matsui, DH 13.0
Posada, C 13.1
Nady, RF 7.0 (arbitration eligible)
Cano, 2b 6.0
Baldelli, CF 5.0 (just a guess)
Molina, C 2.0
Betemit, 1b-3b 1.5
F. Lopez, 2b-ss 3.0 (again a guess)
Christian, OF 0.5
Sabathia 23.0
Wang 7.0 (arbitration eligible)
Joba 0.5
Pettite 15.0 (or Moose)
Hugehs 0.5
Mo 15.0
Marte 6.0
Edwar 0.5
Melancon 0.5
Veras 0.5
Bruney 1.5
Robertson 0.5
Cox 0.5 (or H. Sanchez, Britton)
Total Payroll: $208.1 Million. About the same as this year….
God man imagine a top 3 of CC Wang and Joba.. Than Hughes and Pettite or Moose .. Damn thats the best in baseball if Wang is himself
I’m a little disturbed at how many people here are ruling out Teixiera in favor of moving Posada to 1B. I don’t see how that makes the team better.
If a team actually gives Teixeira $20 million a year the NYY shouldn’t go that high, but the team really ought to at least make a good run at him.
This team is seriously in need of a first basemen who is not named Giambi in 2009 and beyond.
I would like to see the Yanks sign Teixeira or get creative and try to make a package for either Prince Fielder or Ryan Howard.
I think the idea of Posada moving to 1B is a terrible idea. We gave him all that money to be a star catcher. If we move him to first base, we are not getting value out of the first base slot.
Yeah, I’m hoping Posada doesn’t become an albatross contract. I don’t feel good about it, though.
I’m envisioning a post-injury Scott Rolen without the defense.
if we got howard or fielder now, it would be for alot. wait untilthey get closer to free agency and we have a spot at DH for them, because that is what they pretty much are
Stay away from Howard. He’s Travis Hafner waiting to happen.
What makes you say that? Ryan Howard is the next Travis Hafner
You people want to hear something off the wall? It has been stated by a very few on this blog;…move Jeter to the OF.
I have been thinking about this move (ever since someone posted it) at first I said it had to be a joke! But, if the team wants to have better defence to go along with better pitching…the move isn’t as dumb as it sounds. It would make another hole to be filled, but a good glove with good range is worth a few games.
The biggest problem is with Jeter himself…would he move for the betterment of the team? Also, who would get the short straw…that would be a hell of a job. Jeter has played better this year (I haven’t ck’d stats) it seems. Someday he will have to move, other better players have moved from the infield, why not move him in ST? Just a thought…think about it! 27/09?
Good thing that was the last posting to-night. 27/09?
I believe CC will be the only Left hander in the rotation in 09.
CC
Joba
Ponson
Hughes
Moose
Ponson? Maybe you’re right. 27/09?