Aug
21
Pavano to start Saturday
ByIt’s official, PeteAbe’s got the news. I’m kinda excited, actually. Imagine if he goes like, 6-0, 1.50 ERA down the stretch and the Yanks make the playoffs. All would be forgotten, no?
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This just in….. Pavano has just injured himself boarding the plane to new york
Hey Mike A, you guys should write up like a brief description of Pavano’s current arsenal. I don’t know about any of you guys, but I honestly do not remember what the hell he throws, what his strengths are, ANYTHING.
Honestly, I can’t even remember what his wind-up looks like.
I remember him in the 2003 WS as a sinker-slider guy with a real good change.
its a little jerky. i actually like his rotation but there is some torque if i remember correctly.
No, all will not be forgotten.
the question that has seemingly followed now is:
what if he does make 7 starts, goes 4-1 with a 3.75 ERA, couple of no decisions, but gives the team quality innings… overall, pitches well.
is it still a guarantee Cashman buys out that option for next year? probably.
or, does Cashman pick up his 1 year option for $11 million, or whatever it is, and hold it over Carl’s head as an incentive to get back a return on the team’s investment, and hope he wants to prove he can pitch so he gets one more payday after the Yankees?
or does he pull a Sheffield, pick up the option, and hope another team sees something in Pavano to move a prospect to get him for a season?
i know, i know… getting ahead of myself/ourselves here. but, what if?
I’m going to bite my tongue here so hard it bleeds.
Just let Pavano walk.
Prord of you r.w.g.! You are a stand up guy. 27/09?
What, holding an infantile grudge against someone you’ve never met makes you a standup guy?
Holding professional baseball players to inhumanly high standards makes you a standup guy?
No, it was the fact that he didn’t go into one of his creative diatribes. That was the point of his post. Good for him. 27/09?
Yeah I was trying to poke a little fun at myself. I still hate Carl Pavano.
Love the best-case scenario thinking, but take a step back and remember this is Carl Pavano we are talking about here. Save yourself the keystrokes…
to me, its so obvious he wont make it all 6 weeks its not even worth the thought.
but then again, everything thats happened this year has been like bizarro world. so who knows??
At least Derek will have some competition in “who is banging the hottest chick” contest. Pavano may be fragile, but he seems to be pretty sturdy with the ladies.
Also, Ponson will have someone to booze it up with now.
Ponson will drink Carl under the table and then draw on his face with permanent marker while he is passed out. Watch for Carl to take the mound on Saturday with some weird ‘eyeblack’ applied in the shape of genitalia.
hahaha.
Just got off the phone with Carl, he said he’ll be wearing this on the ride up from Trenton.
http://shop.mlb.com/family/ind.....cp=2712401
i’m not excited by any stretch of the imagination but i’m curious and interested for sure. i’m also getting annoyed by the overall negative reaction just his name inspires in people. i understand why and i don’t need someone to give me the full list, but he was a good pitcher at some point and he could potentially be a better option than what is available to us. its too late in the game to get caught up in his past. he’s gotta win ballgames plain and simple. if he sucks, then bash him. but for now, we gotta rally behind him and see if he grew some balls over the last three years.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:11 am
Carl is one of the best pitchers we have, of course I don’t know if he is 100%. If he is, that is good news for the Yanks and their play-off hopes.
People forget, this guy was very good…will he capture his old self? We may find out Saturday. 27/09?
Randy I must agree with some of what you posted, but a lot of us don’t care for him…but, want him to win for the team. As long as he is a Yankee, I (can’t speak for others) will support him, if he loses I will trash him. How’s that, fair? 27/09?
If Pavano stinks it up for 3 or 4 starts I want to see Aceves on the mound
I want to see Aceves on the mound right now. Why do we have to wait for Carl to crumble agin
You have to give Pavano a shot, as crazy as that sounds. He’s pitched in big games before. And Aceves might need a couple more AAA starts.
The yankees dont owe jack sh*t to Carl Pavano.
No.
Its not “they have to give him a shot” because they owe it to him.
Its “they have to give him a shot” because thats the best thing for the team.
having carl pavano start for the yanx in no way shape or form helps this team. hes a cancer in the clubhouse without saying a word. Just ask mike mussina. his presence represents the word quit. and thats the last thing this team needs. I rather Zambrano just bec his name isnt Carl
zzzzz
get over it man
the only way they’d be quitting is if they didn’t put the best pitcher out there out of spite
SAMIAM – winning cures all ills. Moose had a problem with Carl in the past. Moose is also a grown-ass man, and I’m sure he’s not going to start beating watercoolers with bats like Paulie Walnuts just because Pavano’s on the team now… he knows that Pavano still has the ability to win a big league game.
For the 18 billionth time, winning >>> clubhouse chemistry. Jose Guillen bitches about clubhouse chemistry because the Royals suck ass. Meanwhile, Manny is forgiven for being a douchnozzle because guys like Pedroia and Joey Cora and Timlin know he helped get them rings. MLB players are professionals who want to win (and make money) much, much more than they want anything else, and they all want to see their teams acquire good players to help improve their chances to win.
last I checked, pavano hasnt been a winner since the 03 series
Well, thats more recent then Jeter.
Cut him.
as opposed to all the games won by Aceves.
Pavano is MORE likely to win on Saturday than Aceves.
it would be stupid to start Aceves out of spite.
who said the yanks owe him anything??
pavano has more talent in his left ankle than Aceves has period (albeit fragile, fragile talent) .. pavano should be starting because, when healthy, he’s the best pitching option the yanks have for saturday .. cut and dry
i’ve already started up the pavano bandwagon, its leaving from Attorney and Stanton in 25 minutes, all aboard baby!
>> pavano has more talent in his left ankle than Aceves has period >>
Ooops, Pavano just twisted his left ankle.
Why, Ted Striker’s got more guts in his little pinky finger than most of us have in our entire large intestine, INCLUDING THE COLON!
Victor Zambrano will get absolutely lit up if he starts for the Yanks. Its a disgrace hes even here. Pavano at least has a chance to pitch well in a big game (03 world series). Keep him on a short leash, and if he sucks, give Aceves a shot. This gives him a chance to get a few more AAA starts under his belt. Question for fellow Yank fans: Who do you trust more in a big game, Pavano or Victor Zambrano? This one’s a no-brainer.
Question for fellow Yank fans: Who can see into the future with unerring, Marty-McFly-like precision?
I vote for “bill”.
Hey retard, I never claimed to see the future. I’m not running for anything either dickface.
But I think this is a good call though because Hughes isnt ready and Victor Zambrano shouldnt even be here
Well It was pretty obvious, hopefully he can gives us something and make run here. Hopefully he give us 10 cent of a dollar (or 40M).
Hey Mike A, you think we see Hughes pitch in the Majors this season? I still think he can be an weapon for us this year.
Hells yeah. Why wouldn’t he?
Well lets say Pavano pitches well, and Joba comes back, Hughes probably wouldn’t have room in the rotation. Would they use him in the BP?
You’re inventing a problem that doesn’t exist. If they all make it back:
1) Pettitte 2) Moose 3) Joba 4) Pavano 5) Hughes.
Long man: The Rotund Aruban
Enjoying the festivities from the skyboxes: Rasner, Giese, Kennedy
i would take old danny boy over sir sidney in the long role ANY day of the week.
I think he still needs a consistent changeup to go to against lefties. And after all he has a pretty high ERA in AAA right now. I think he needs some work.
His ERA is up, because they told him to work on certain pitches (i.e., change-up) and forget the score. 27/09?
Exactly, his changeup doesnt even work against minor leaguers, how’s it gonna work against big leauger’s.
like mike francesa said, if he wants to give us a year for free at the minimum, then give him a 1 year deal and if he cna make 30 starts then so be it,.
“all would be forgotten, no?”
just for the record, no, all wouldn’t definitely NOT be forgotten. no.
How long was Aceves’ deal for?
Not for nothing, but isn’t it pretty admirable that Carl Pavano is making a start in the following season after he had TJS. I know it’s heresy to some of you to even associate the word “tough” with Pavano, but putting what he did into perspective (the injury and ensuing rehab process), you have to give him a lot of credit for making it back to a Major League mound in the following season.
Contract year.
Dude, don’t give me that. He’s had some serious injuries in his tenure with the Yankees. If you want to bash him for always being injured, go right ahead, but don’t undervalue the seriousness of his injuries just to make your point.
better late than never. the contract year isnt a bad point tho, he is pitching to proove that he can still pitch, lets keep in mind, when you sit out for essentially 4 years, how are you expected to know how to pitch? its like having your legs in casts for 4 years, how do you know yo uare going to be able to walk again? this is an audition for pavano.. for another team in all likelyhood.
Go for it Jamal G., Amen. 27/09?
Sorry Jamal — this is one rare instance where I don’t agree with you. The words “admirable” and “Carl Pavano” do not belong together in your sentence. Describing him as “admirable” means that he’s doing something I admire him for. Carl Pavano would have to rescue seven children from a burning building before it would even occur to me to think about admiring him. He’s got a long ways to go just to move the needle back to center.
Besides the bruised buttocks, the unreported car accident, et. al., there’s always the refusal to accept a minor-league contract last December and free up a roster spot when the team needed it. There are just too many reasons to NOT admire Pavano.
If he had another year left on his 40 million dollar deal, I suspect Mr. Pavano would not be seen on a major league mound in 2 days.
I don’t hate the guy, but I sure as shit wouldn’t call him admirable.
Matsui could have chosen the knife and bagged the season. He didn’t. Admirable.
Bruney could have chosen the knife and bagged the season. He didn’t. Admirable.
Pavano was never in a hurry to pick up a ball again until he looked at the calendar and realized he was running out of big paychecks.
Just my opinion, but if looks like a duck….
Carl Pavano didn’t take any of **my** money per se. He also didn’t preclude us from signing anyone in the last 3 years, so I really don’t see why there’s SO much venom toward him. Yes he was a colossal bust, but I’ll still be rooting for him to throw a gem on saturday and hopefully in a few more games after that.
Its not far fetched to say that Carl Pavano is the biggest bust of all time….
Pavano certainly wasn’t a bigger bust that Hampton.
I forgot… what was the Hampton deal again??
8 years, $121M. He’s got a $20M option for ’09 with a $6M buyout.
and how about, nobody was a bigger bust than barry zito:)
hahaha yeah the giants WISH he was injured like pavano and didnt have to pitch so they could at least collect insurance and replace him on they’re 25 man
you also have to keep in mind the whole New York factor with the hype and all.
You’re acting like he chose to be injured. Also, don’t give me that crap about “Oh, he didn’t try hard enough to come back, he was soft” because you, nor the media, nor I have any idea how he was rehabbing himself everyday.
He was injured, get over it. He had injuries that went from fractured (or cracked, still can’t find out which one) ribs due to a car accident, to needing a ligament replacement surgery (TJS). The only injury that can be taken lightly is the bruised buttocks one. Even that is crap because he suffered that injury while he was rehabbing, it’s not like he was taken out of the game for that specific ailment. This shit is really being overblown. A few people make jokes about him and everybody runs with it. However, if some of you would actually sit down and go over what happened to him, you would see he has really just been terribly unlucky.
how about all those times he was supposed to be rehabbing and he was making pizza’s for that show YANKEES ON DECK or kids on deck w/e its called. why do you think everyone on the yankees has called him out? cause his injuries?” No, not at all be cause shit happens. it was because he was skipping out on rehabbing ,it was like he liked to sit there and do nothing. carl pavano is a good scam artist if he reallly did all this shit intentionally.
This is one of those comments that is funnier if the humor is not intentional.
it was a mix of some sarcasm and facts. he did skip out on rehabbing. idk about the pizza thing, i think i saw something like that so it ws a joke. and he was called out and id have a poor work ethic.. like to see you prove me wrong.
If he was going to skip out on rehab, I highly doubt he would do it to make pizza on a show that airs on a network owned by the Yankees. I bet he was contractuallly obligated to make that appearance.
well no shit thats obvious but i didnt want to say something like he was busy jerking off or some nasty shit. i prefered to make it funny.
Hampton
Zito
Silva
Darren Dreifort
Kevin Brown
Mo Vaughn
Albert Belle
Russ Ortiz
Richie Sexson
Denny Neagle
Chan Ho Park
Gary Matthews Jr.
…all worse.
John Pete!
Didn’t Kevin Brown actually pitch pretty well for some of that contract? You have to erase that one.
Sexon and Brown dont belong cause they actually put up numbers for at least a year
didn’t carl tell the yankees he wouldnt accept a minor league spot meaning they had to keep him on the 40 man in order to collect insurance on him or somehting like that? cause he wanted to work out at the complex in tampa??
am i remembering correctly, thought i read that here sometime ago
He wouldn’t accept the minor league contract because it would hurt his pension and insurance adn stuff like that. I don’t get why he didn’t like it, the Yanks still would have had to pay him the rest of the 40 mil +2 mil buyout.
You answered your own question, he wouldn’t have accumulated service time, so he might have lost out on his pension. Perfectly acceptable reason, in my opinion.
You just spoiled all the fun. Did you have to be a realist? It could’ve gone on for hours, now some will have to think…news reporters, report what will grab the reader, not necessarily the whole truth. I still don’t care for him, if he wins…that’s what really counts.27/09?
Whats the over under on Pavano getting hurt within his first three starts.
ima go over because i wouldve said 4. if its 4 i go even
So…who’s this “Carl Pavano” guy?
I think he’s the vendor that always yells “Das Haggen, I got yer Das Haggen” ….
I’m excited about Pavano’s start. I have a soft spot for stories about redemption. Go Yanks!
I rather have his girl pitch!
what happens if pavano tanks and hughes pitches well in AAA on sat? do they swap the two or will hughes replace rasner?
If Rasner sucks and Hughes is lights out in AAA, Hughes would probably replace him I think.
i meant if pavano sucks and hughes does well his next start. would pavano stay in the rotation or will hughes replace someone else? i’m wondering how long pavano will be tolerated in the starting rotation…
I personally want to see Aceves if he does well more than Hughes. Aceves may be more refined and he has more pitches than Hughes to keep the hitters off-balance. So if Pavano or Rasner struggle, I personally would replace one of them with Aceves, but I’m not running anything.
i hear ya. but i think hughes is next in line since he’s got mlb experience. i dont think aceves will be up in the bronx until sept.
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I’m looking forward to Carl ” The Sleeper” Pavano start on Saturday. I’m calling for
6.2 innings of 2 run ball for “The Sleeper”.
All will not be forgotten.