Aceves picks up first Major League win as Yanks down Angels

The Price is wrong, bitch
Pettitte sounds like he's ready to return next season

If it sounds like a cliché, that’s because it is one. But tonight’s game was Yankee baseball the way it should be played. Good starting pitching, timely hitting and a crisply fielded game brought the Yankees a road win in Anaheim.

In a way, this was a game the Yankees needed to win. They didn’t need for any hope of making the playoffs; realistically, those hopes died when they didn’t sweep Boston in New York a few weeks ago. But they needed it for the morale of their fans. Lately, Yankee fans have been down on the team with their minds on the defending Super Bowl Champion Giants or the Brett Favre-led Jets. But baseball in New York will still be around for another 20 games, and we might as well enjoy them.

The story of the night was, obviously, Al Aceves. Making his first Major League start in lieu of Darrell Rasner, Aceves threw seven innings of five-hit ball. He gave up one run, didn’t walk anyone and struck out two. He threw just 89 pitches, 63 of them for strikes, and kept the Angels off balance all night. While his stuff seemingly isn’t that much better than Rasner’s, Aceves is a huge improvement over a pitcher who made way too many starts this year. He has a few more miles per hour on the fastball than Rasner does, and he pitches with more command and authority.

Offensively, the top four hitters on the Yanks went 7 for 17 with six runs scored, six RBIs and three home runs. A-Rod hit a monster three-run to give the Yanks a 4-0 lead, and Johnny Damon added a two-run shot in the seventh and a solo blast in the 9th. Two hours and thirty six minutes after it started, the Yanks wrapped up their 7-1 victory.

In the end, this game doesn’t really tell us anything about the Yankees except that they have more options than Rasner and Sidney Ponson floating around their system. Aceves showed what he could do, and the young arms are coming. All it needs is just a little patience.

The Price is wrong, bitch
Pettitte sounds like he's ready to return next season
  • Yankees Ben

    Hry Ben just a few comments,

    While i won’t say Aceves has much better stuff than Rasner but he does throw his fastball around 93,

    Also A-rod’s Shot gave them a 4-0 lead.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.

  • Jack

    Offensively, the top four hittings on the Yanks went 7 for 17 with six runs scored, six RBIs and three home runs. A-Rod hit a meaningless three-run to give the Yanks a 4-1 lead, and Johnny Damon added a clutch two-run shot in the seventh and a solo blast in the 9th. Two hours and thirty six minutes after it started, the Yanks wrapped up their 7-1 victory.

    I fixed it for you.

  • mustang

    “All it needs is just a little patience.”

    And a lot of aspirin.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      And the realization that the Yanks won’t make the playoffs every year and the world will not come to an end if/when that happens!

      Short-term setbacks for long-term gains.

      • mustang

        If you consider the lost of the last season at Yankees Stadium and not developing very much a short-term setback then you’re right.

        And those long-term gains sometimes fall short that’s why they called prospects.

        • mustang

          And yes they develop Joba, but he was never going to be moved.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            There’s more to the youth movement than just three pitchers, you know.

            • mustang

              Yes, I know but how many of the young position players’ look like nothing more then backups. Now the same people that pushed for the youth movement want to sign these guys in the winter and trade for those guys. Not that blame anyone for that, but it’s funny how quick the Yankees fans go back to their DNA.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                Who exactly are you talking about? Jesus Montero and Austin Jackson don’t look anything like backups. This comment is so out of left field.

                • mustang

                  Gardner,Duncan,Christian and Gonzalez (before he was traded)

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  No one has or will ever claim that those four names represent the youth movement or anything close to the cream of the Yankee farm system. We never have said; we never would have said it; we never will say it.

                  Those just aren’t the names anyone’s been watching.

                • mustang

                  And Montero and Jackson once again we are talking about guys who are not even at AAA yet.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  If you’d rather put together a team of free agents who are past their prime and overpaid, as it appears that you’re doing, instead of building a farm system that allows for good youth along with smart free agent signings, you’ll end up with what the Yanks have now: a fourth place team.

                  No one is saying these are all “can’t-miss” prospects. What we’re saying is that if you want to put a good team together, you have to be patient with the young players as they develop AND at the same time, make smart choices with the free agents. That’s how the Yanks built up a team in the 1990s, and that’s what they would be doing today if fans — as you’ve so aptly demonstrated — weren’t ridiculously impatient about it.

                • mustang

                  Ok maybe not Christian, but Gardner and especially Gonzalez and Duncan were heavily pushed here as major league players this spring. Some comments were calling for Jeter to move to the outfield for Gonzalez.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  Don’t confuse commenters with our view. Joe, Mike and I never advocated for moving Derek to the outfield for Gonzalez.

                  And Shelley was what he was: A 28-year-old with little MLB experience and a hot start. No one should have been expecting much from him.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  Mike, Ben, and Joe, I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that Eric Duncan, Drew Henson, Jackson Melian and T.J. Beam didn’t turn out to each become 20-time All-Stars and the anchors of our 9-straight-World-Champion-teams like you repeatedly said they would.

                  I RUE THE DAY I EVER LISTENED TO YOU SNAKE-OIL SELLING CHARLATAN TRICKSTERS!

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  I am an oil man.

                • mustang

                  “building a farm system that allows for good youth along with smart free agent signings, you’ll end up with what the Yanks have now: a fourth place team.”

                  You had your youth movement and not only do they have a fourth place team, but also didn’t develop much. I’m just looking to strike a balance and starting the season with 2 rookies in the rotation is not it. By the way take a good look at those teams in the 1990’s and you will see lots free agents and trades.
                  And yes blame me if I don’t want to wait to 2013 for my next playoff run.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  You 100 percent missed my point. I didn’t say that building and signing will result in a fourth place team. I said that only signing high-priced, declining free agents will land you a fourth place team

                  You’re being insanely impatient. This was the first year that any semblance of the youth movement began paying dividends, and it resulted in a pitcher with an ERA under 3.00 (along with, admittedly, two pitchers who both did not meet expectations this season). You can’t just give up after one season. Patience doesn’t mean giving up after three months. Even if you refuse to realize this, I’m glad Brian Cashman and those in charge of the Yankees have not. They’re honestly the ones who matter and who set the course for the team, and they do happen to know what they’re doing.

                • mustang

                  Ben, I have no problems being patient when I see forward movement that doesn’t just mean making the playoffs. And I don’t “refuse to realize this’ I just think you put too much value on unproven talent. Let see how long the lovely relationship between Brian Cashman and those in charge of the Yankees last if they have another season like this.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  Yes, Ben, you HAD your damn youth movement. You had from April 2008 to September 2008 for your youth movement to produce amazing results, and it’s failed! So FUCK you and your stupid youth movement! IT SUCKS AND IT’S HORRIBLE!

                  WE MUST START AN AGED MOVEMENT IMMEDIATELY! THE KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE KING!

                • mustang

                  LMAO

              • radnom

                Don’t confuse the youth movement with AAAA fill-ins like Gardner, Christian and Ransom. We have guys like that every year. Your whole farm system isn’t just developing “prospects” you’ve also got to have replacement level guys that can come fill in when you have injuries etc.

                Also, who said signing big free agents and going with the young guys is self exclusive? Why not have the best of both worlds, if you can? Thats what (most) of us have been advocating all along, nothing has changed.

      • RollingWave

        they’re doing that blackhole experiement in a few hours. so the world might not end part might not hold :P

      • radnom

        “And the realization that the Yanks won’t make the playoffs every year and the world will not come to an end if/when that happens!”

        Well you know, they did activate that LHC last night, and particle collisions are schedules to start in October….so I wouldn’t be so confident about that!

  • Yankees=warriors

    Nice to watch a good ball game in so long.
    But speaking of the playoffs, how about the Blue Jays?
    If the Rays keep up their break down and the Jays keep up their pace, they just might end up getting that last playoff spot.
    And THAT would be a huge slap on the Yankees face, since the Jays were further behind than the Yankees at one point.

  • Ben B.

    I would rather save the “keep the faith” crap for the offseason. Right now, I’m still p*ssed at this team for failing to perform to expected levels, much less dreamed-for levels. The offense mailed it in this season, and I think Girardi will have to stick his neck out to save K-Long, rightly or wrongly.

    • steve (different one)

      Long isn’t one of Girardi’s guys, so he won’t have to stick his neck out for him. he didn’t hire him.

  • beantownbosoxh8er

    With Aceves pitching well last night, does it show that we/they waited too long to trot out younger / less experienced arms?
    and do they continue to do this going forward?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      In Aceves’ cases, no. You could make the argument that he should have started one or, at most, two starts ago. But he’s logged very few AAA innings this year and wasn’t really “ready” to start quite yet.

      In other cases, they seem to wait too long.

    • steve (different one)

      Aceves would have been up earlier if he didn’t hurt his groin. but he did.

      it’s not like they haven’t tried to replace Rasner before. they did.

      if you recall, Giese started against Anaheim and pitched very well. then he got hurt.

      then they called up Kennedy to start, and he got shelled. which probably would have been ok, but then he made some dumb comments after the game which probably pissed off Girardi enough to send him back down.

      Hughes was probably on his way up, then he hit that stretch where he was getting rocked.

      it’s just been that type of season.

  • JohnC

    Anyone see Schilling’s comments on WEEI radio the yesterday? BOy, does that guy ever shut up?

  • Heidelberger

    After Kennedy’s excellent performance at the end of last year and his disappointing season this year, I think we really need to keep Aceves’ start in perspective. The Angel’s started 4 guys batting under 200 last night and replaced Hunter with the abysmal-hitting Matthews in mid-game. Not to say other pitchers wouldn’t have found a way to lose to that line-up, but we shouldn’t expect Aceves to perform like that every night.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      You mean we shouldn’t expect some 25-year-old journeyman from Mexico to allow just five hits and one run every seven innings? Jeez. And here I was thinking that Aceves was the next coming of Cy Young :)

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        And here I was thinking that Aceves was the next coming of Cy Young

        You know some people were.

        • mustang

          The same people that think that of IPK back to the top.

          • Yanks Fan in NY

            Are you retarded or dense or just a troll? How much times do the guys who run and comment on this site have to tell you that there’s a differences? How many times do they have to say that Ian Kennedy isn’t the be-all and end-all of the youth movement? And how many times do you have to mention him as though he’s the only young player you’ve ever heard of?

            You are, sir, by far, the most annoying person on any blog I have ever read. You don’t give up, and you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. NONE AT ALL.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

              Play nice.

              • mustang

                Simply put this guy is an asshole and i know I broke a rule.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  Just ignore it. Someone should just ignore it. Be the better person.

                • mustang

                  Done

            • mustang

              Every time you answer one of my comments you have nothing to say, but insults. You have BIG BALLS doing this over a computer to someone you never even seen or maybe your just trying to make up for the ones you don’t have in the real world.

              • Yanks Fan In NY

                I take it your name is actually Mustang and if I looked you up in the phone book, I’d be able to figure out where you lived and who you are, right?

                So not only are you the city’s dumbest Yankee fan but you’re a tried and true hypocrite also. Don’t hide behind anonymity on the Internet and then accuse everyone else of doing the same. That makes you look even dumber.

                • mustang

                  Guy I don’t go around insulting people on the net and what was the last Yankee or baseball knowledge that you drop.
                  Please teach dumb ass I would like to learn from Mr. Baseball himself.

                • mustang

                  I meant :
                  Please teach MY dumb ass I would like to learn from Mr. Baseball himself.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              “You are, sir, by far, the most annoying person on any blog I have ever read. “

              Obviously, you haven’t read many blogs. Sure, mustang can be a little agenda-driven and pigheaded… we all are. (myself included).

              But if you made a list of the most annoying, idiotic, brainless morons to post shit on the internet, you could fill up Cambodia and Laos five times before you even got withing 50 feet of anything mustang has ever said. He doesn’t troll or write gobbledygook and he usually mixes in a point or two in his diatribes.

              [Ed. note – The countries of Cambodia and Laos were selected at random from Tommie’s imagination as general placeholders for a large mass of population and in no way are intended to disparage the intellectual musings of the fine, hardy Cambodian or Laotian people. Tommie firmly believes that racism is wrong and that we should be respectful and tolerant of other people’s cultures.]

              [Except the Dutch.]

              • mustang

                “agenda-driven and pigheaded”
                Funny my wife says the same thing.
                LOL

                Thank you this is the only guy who has taken it to this level which is a credit to the rest of commenters as well as Ben, Joe and Mike.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  As long as you’re not one of those dirty, necrophiliac syphilitic duck-fucking cheese-eating windmill-spanking wood-wearing Dutch leper asshole turdburglars, you’re good with me, Mustang.

              • The Netherlands

                Fuck you.

      • Heidelberger

        To be frank, you and others persistently defended Kennedy’s placement in the major league rotation this season based in some part on his success in late season garbage games against KC, Toronto and Tampa Bay last season. I wasn’t implying that anyone would have penciled Aceves in as Cy Young, but I wouldn’t have been surprised basedon the track record regarding Kennedy if folks thought Aceves proved he was a major league level pitcher last night. I’m certainly not saying he isn’t, I don’t think pointing out to this audience that, based on recent experience, a late season game against the Angel’s JV lineup doesn’t prove much makes me a risible figure.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Kennedy was a number one draft pick, two years younger than Aceves, who showed very good control and the ability to limit his opponents’ ability to get on base over the course of three starts. Perhaps we jumped the gun, but he had a lot more going for him than Aceves.

          Aceves is a 25-year-old Mexican League journeyman. Perhaps the Yanks have struck gold. Perhaps not. But no one’s going to make a future evaluation based on seven innings of work.

        • mustang

          Heidelberger good points and you got “Perhaps we jumped the gun,” take the win and run.
          LOL

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            Are you seriously trying to play a “gotcha” game with us? Are you even a Yankee fan? You do know that we all want the team to win, right? We’re all after the same thing.

            Your way — giving up on developing a team from within and just signing free agents — has resulted in first-round playoff losses and no World Series since 2000. The least you can do is show more than one month of patience with a new approach.

            • mustang

              Again I DON’T want to give up on developing players I just want more of a balance. I wasn’t playing the “gotcha” game I was joking. Lets just see what happens.

              Sorry Joop I’m done for this round.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                I think you’ll see more balance this off-season, although I’m not saying that there wasn’t enough balance this year. The Yanks just have/had too many bad contracts and not enough holes to fill in the ways we would want them filled.

                • mustang

                  I can live with that this of season can’t come last enough for me.

                • mustang

                  fast not last

          • Joop

            Please, don’t stop. Your thought processes are hilarious.

  • A.D.

    Solid start for Aceves if he can give quality starts with the remaining chances he gets this year he at least gives the yanks some insurance & throws his hat in the ring for a starting spot next year.

    Could be a real nice Mex league pick-up, similar to what Campillo has been to the Braves this year, after finally getting a real look.

  • Frank

    No one can argue Aceves’ stuff is better than Kennedy’s, but you can tell by watching Aceves that his experience is really what separates him right now.

    If anything, watching Aceves last night gave me more confidence that Kennedy can succeed once he gains more experience and be what he is…. a tick better than Aceves as a pitcher… a solid #3.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Holy shit, that’s a moderate and well-balanced thought process about how some of the young pitchers that we have can conceivably improve with more experience and a little organizational faith. You didn’t jump to any conclusions or fate anyone towards a predetermined destiny of one of two extremes…

      DON’T EVER FUCKING DO THAT SHIT AGAIN! WHAT ARE YOU, CRAZY! THIS IS NO FORUM FOR REASONED ANALYSIS AND PERSPECTIVE, ONLY VICIOUS HYPERBOLE AND INSULT!

      Ben, ban this fucker immediately.

  • Bart

    The game tells a great deal about the stupidity gracing the Front Office — they have been responsible for the non trades, for keeping Aceves and others and then not using them while rolling out the Ponson’s and Rasners to one disaster after another.

    Forget the Ponson’s record — the toll on the relief corps has been enough to thow other games in the toilet.

    In 2011 we will have looked back at the first decade of the 21 century and recognized Boston dominated.

    The Yankees are closer to being the Baltimore Orioles than they are to Red Sox or Tampa Bay.

    The Yankees need to trade Cano, Nady, Damon while they can get near top value — offer Abreu Arb. They do not need 14-10 Andy with Mussina. Keep Moose. Develop the young pitching — except Edwar — he is toast against patient comfrtable hitters

    The Offense defense is aging – dying before our eyes. The core for the next two years is Jeter, ARod (Posada contract) Mo (maybe Wang ifhe still has his power sinker) Around this core they can develp Hughes, Aceves/IP and Joba and then others.

    They need to fill as many of the remaining posiitons as possible with talent that runs 3 deep – one for the ML roster and one in each in AA AAA. The MLB may only be suitable to be replaced from AA AAA over time.

    If they do not clean house they will simply age around the core and not only will there be no team worth watching in 2009 but no team in 2010 or 2011. The Dark Ages will have agin decended on the New Stadium.

    Cashman is late and wrong. Torre cost them against the Marlins and then snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against the Red Sox
    — from the blown Williams Beltran / Sheffield Guererro fiascos the front office has managed to maneuver the team to a 2009 last place finish.

    The time for chnage is now

    Move Jeter to CF and get a SS while they are at it.

    Get on with it.

    • Jack

      They need to fill as many of the remaining posiitons as possible with talent that runs 3 deep – one for the ML roster and one in each in AA AAA. The MLB may only be suitable to be replaced from AA AAA over time

      My head hurts.

      • mustang

        I just took some aspirin myself want some.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      The volume of thought wrong with this post is simply baffling.

      • mustang

        ” fill up Cambodia and Laos five times ”

        I think we found one.

    • steve (different one)

      The game tells a great deal about the stupidity gracing the Front Office — they have been responsible for the non trades, for keeping Aceves and others and then not using them while rolling out the Ponson’s and Rasners to one disaster after another.

      no, this post tells a great deal about your lack of understanding of the situation.

      the issues with bringing Aceves up earlier have been repeated many, many times on this site, but you simply ignore them to further your agenda.

      Aceves got HURT.

      then he had to rehab.

      then he got rocked in AAA.

      now he is up.

      he really couldn’t have been up much earlier.

      as for the rest of the doom and gloom, i guess we’ll see. if there is one thing 2008 has shown us, is that the standings can change in a hurry.

      forgive me if i don’t see a team that is about to move into the greatest cash cow in the history of sports stalling out in last place for the next 10 years.

  • ko

    The one thing that could keep the Yankees from being the greatest cash cow in the history of sports for the next ten years is if the Yankees don’t spend. No one is going to come and see a mediocre team. This winter will be telling. The Yankees must go full bore after guys like Sabathia and Teixeira to rebuild the club with young studs, if they don’t they won’t be a cash cow very long.