Sep
27
Mets Game Thread: Do or Die
ByWhile we wait for today’s Yanks’ game that might end up washed out anyway, lets turn our attention to the boys in blue-and-orange across town for a few hours while they still have something to play for. It’s simple: If the Mets lose OR the Phils win today, Philly wins the division. If the Brewers win today, they’ll clinch at least a tie of the Wildcard. The Mets have to win there last two games to stand a chance.
It’s already 1-0 Mets in the 4th, both Ricky Nolasco and teh Johan are dealin’.
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Btw: from the last thread, what do you mean by the 100/100 club?
Teams with 100 L’s which are the M’s and Nats.
Team Payroll: $100M
Team Losses: 100
ouch.
Double on that one.
100+ losses, $100M+ payroll. Only one member in that fraternity.
Since the BBWAA wont vote for a MVP candidate that plays on a third or fourth-place team (St. Louis Cardinals and Houston Astros), who should win the N.L. M.V.P.?
Speaking of which, if A-Rod can win it with the Texas Rangers in 2003, why the fuck are people complaining about Albert Pujols winning it this year?
Because the MVP voters are morons and the reason/logic employed by the voters is specious. Don’t even worry about that stuff, it’ll never be done right.
There’s a slight difference. in 03, that year was awful for MVP canidates and A-Rod who had the best #’s won it.
It would be criminal if Pujols doesn’t win MVP. He’s been clearly the best player in the league this year, and it’s not even close.
Howard’s had a big Sept. and Delgado’s been good in the second half, but Pujols has done it all year long. His batting avg is higher than either Howard’s or Delgado’s OBP.
And while we’re on the topic, I’d go Sizemore or Mauer for AL MVP.
Has to be Mauer. Can’t give it Sizemore cuz hey it’s the MVP not the M.O.P.
Joe Mauer: 48 strikeouts, 82 walks, 135 OPS+. He’s a freaking catcher.
He’s been amazing and he might win the GG at catcher too. He’ the MVP in my opinion. As long it isn’t Pedroia im cool.
My AL MVP ballot:
1. Dustin Pedroia
2. Jason Varitek
3. David Ortiz
4. Jon Lester
5. Kevin Youkilis
6. Wally the Green Monster
For ESPN Diamond Cutters, I’m Peter Gammons.
/tommiesmithjohncarlos
You forgot Theo Epstein, for his trading of Manny.
*facepalm*
D’oh! How could I forget something like that?? Must be getting senile in my old age…
Thank you, thank you. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I agree it should be Pujols though. Without Pujols, that Cardinal team is basically the Nats.
I thought Wright sucked at 3B.
Yeah well, anyone can make a good play once in a while.
David Wright is so clutch.
Clutchiest clutchy clutch who ever clutched.
Not like that loser ARod at all.
Remember that LoHud comment I posted about that said Phil Hughes is a “#3 starter, maybe, and IPK is a #5 starter for the Nats/Royals, at best”?
Well, here’s a guy who wholeheartedly disagrees. Unfortunately, he makes the previous commenter seem RAB worthy:
“Atleast Hughes has some upside as a #3 starter.”
Come on!He just played one game well.
Maybe he can be #5 starter.
What was it that store janitor in Superbad said? Oh right, “Sigh…Fuck my life”.
Why subject yourself to reading that drivel? Every time I do I feel like my brain will leak out through my ears….
Yeah, seriously. I don’t understand why you even go read those comments.
Danny Murphy runs weird. Like a pitcher almost.
he cant run period.
“Where have you come from, Ramon Martinez?”
That’s what I’d like to know as well.
Word.
Speaking of horrid MVP decisions, anyone catch that FJM piece that talked about the Tampa section of the BBWAA naming Carlos Pen…err…Evan Long…err…Jason Bartlett for the MVP of the Rays?
Fun Fact:
Evan Longoria hit worse than A-Rod in RISP.
The next person who advocates moving Alex Rodriguez from the Yankees will suffer diarrhea during their honeymoon.
What if they already had their honeymoon?
I’d rather sift through every thread on 4Chan.org before i look at one comment on Lohud.
I don’t understand? LoHud commentators are usually rational, level headed, baseball purists!
Im still a little mad that the Yankees have a chance to have a better record than the Mets, yet were the team in “flux”
Eh, who cares what the mediots say.
Besides, and to be fair, it’s not like the ’06 Cardinals have an asterisk next their WS win. It’s all about the results, baby.
UWS?
Yes?
What does it mean? Your initials?
Oh. Hah.
No, it’s an homage to my lovely neighborhood: the Upper West Side.
Wes Siiiiiiiiiiiide.
http://i1.bebo.com/029b/13/med.....02507m.jpg
So, no more Two Black Fists Up? I’m depressed now.
The Upper West Side is the shit. Is this “tommiesmithjohncarlos” btw?
No, I’m his evil, unfunny twin.
The Yankees record has less to do with the fact they’re in “flux” than does their upcoming roster turnover, the decision facing Brian Cashman and a zillion other issues, including how Hank/Hal run the team. It’s not an insult to say the Yankees are in “flux” right now, they are.
And people talk about Derek Jeter showboating with the jump-throw?
Oh this is great. Someone emailed me saying the Yanks should go after Ryan Spilborghs for CF because “he’s a young Matt Holliday.”
My reply: Spilborghs is 4 months older than Holliday.
You should post this person’s name and email so that he can get the mocking he deserves.
You know what’s funny, the clear-cut choices for the N.L. M.V.P. and A.L./N.L. Cy Young awards are Albert Pujols, Cliff Lee and Tim Lincecum, respectively. I’m willing to bet that only one of those three will actually win their respective awards.
I don’t think Lincecum’s a slam dunk. I can be convinced that teh Johan deserves it. And no, I’m not being a smartass.
My top four candidates are Lincecum, Santana, Brad Webb and Jake Peavy. Lincecum is kind of owning Santana in H/9 (five less innings by Timmy coming into today’s games), K/9 (almost sixty more K’s than Johan in five less innings), vital lines (.223/.299/.319 for Timmy, and .237/.289/.369 for Johan), and he has given up twelve less dingers (again, in less innings tossed).
I can’t see how Johan Santana can be voted for the Cy Young over Tim Lincecum.
Santana’s got a lower WHIP, better K/BB ratio, plays in a smaller (albeit still pitcher friendly) park, and in a tougher division.
And who the hell is Brad Webb?
Hit A Homer Baker.
Wow, Cohen is such a homer. That pitch was further off the plate than the one that Church struck out on, when he was bitching it was a ball.
Could Gary stop acting like fuckin fan please.
Waaaah, Johan is not getting all the calls from the HP ump. Waaaaaah.
Cry me a river, Cohen. Then call the waaaaaah-mbulance.
Then call the waaaaaah-mbulance.
I don’t like using internet jargon like LOL, but I laughed out loud that one.
The only guy in that booth who you can listen to is Ron Darlen.
Word, he’s very fair. Snigh’s equivalent to Leiter.
I usually really like Cohen + Darling (Hernandez is always atrocious), but Cohen’s been unlistenable lately. He could rival Da Hawk in his homerism. At least he doesnt’ refer to the Mets as “we.” Yet.
Word, the “we” part by Hawk was just funny and infuriating at the same time.
And the ball boy pulls a Buckner.
Holy schnikees. They really should move Hanley to first.
It’s really funny when he said that, cuz Hanley might be a better fielder than Reyes.
What happened to Jose Reyes’ range this year?
Cano and Reyes this year on D have been a mystery this season.
Cano is even weirder because it happened in the second half. In the first half, only Mark Ellis had a higher Zone Rating than Robbie (in the A.L.).
Holy shit, that was a big-league play by Hanley!
What a fuckin play by Hanley.
Is Doc Halladay the best pitcher in baseball; or is it the-guy-who-out-pitched-a-22-year-old-this-year-so-said-22-year-old-is-the-epic-suck?
Hanley Ramirez, Florida’s 2009 First Basemen – Gary Cohen
Halladay’s numbers crush teh Johan’s, and he pitches in the AL East, not the NL sissy league.
Not to take anything from Lincecum but do ya agree that his #’s are quite misleading considering he’s pitching in the weakest division in the weakest league and etc.
Agreed, although 252 K’s is nothing to sneeze at, and they’re certainly not the product of his park. He’s still a deserving candidate.
Teh Johan’s almost at 90 pitches, and there’s still 9 more outs to get.
To be fair, Marlins are the type of team that Johan would pitch great against.
Hey, Gary Cohen, can you not climax every time some little nibbler goes in the way of the Mets? kthnxbye.
Gary Cohen: “Did you call pitches, Keith?”
Keith Hernandez: “Sniff…Sniff…Gulp…Sniff…Did I call pitches when? Who the fuck are you? Shit, is it game-time?!”
I kinda wanna see that Quarantine flick. I’m a sucker for zombie movies.
Zombies = epic win.
Have you seen the trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4inLY7YmNI
OK, that looks just a little too creepy.
Also, is that the chick from Dexter?
Dunno, never seen Dexter.
Rock N Rolla looks bad ass, I love those type of action flicks.
Oh, they are making a new Street Fighter (live-action, teh epic gay!11!) movie, Street Fighter: Legend of Chun-Li. It’s going to star Kristin Kreuk (Lona Lane from Smallville) as Chun-Li, and even Taboo from the Black Eyed Peas will be cast as Vega.
What about E. Honda? Guile? Blanka? Zangief?
In other words, what about anybody other than Chun-Li, a character nobody – who isn’t a perv – cares about?
I personally wanted an Akuma movie.
Ludacris + Gerard Butler, 2 people you would not expect in the same movie.
lets hope that the yankee game gets rained out so we can watch the brewers game!
I hope it gets rained out so we don’t have to be subjected to another Sidney Ponson start. Watching an actual good meaningful baseball game is secondary.
werd. the game is meaningless. i want to see sheets take the mound for the first time in like a month lol. plus watching met fans quiver is great.
Finally somebody got out Ramon Martinez.
Murphy is a terrible Outfielder. he has a 40 year olds legs. the guy cant run and covers next to no ground. church has range, an arm but no glove. thats a weird combo.
Yo Church is lost at the plate.
oh and who starts for the mets tmrw? perez? i wouldnt be too confident putting the ball in that guys glove with the season on the line
yep perez it is.
Is that Jack Bauer (nobody knows him as Kiefer Sutherland) doing the voice-over in the Bank of America commercial?
Speaking of banks, how ’bout WaMu? Scary times…
you know met fans are praying it starts pouring so they dont have to hand it over to the bullpen.
UTOH a-ram a-so soto, theriot and some other dude are all out of the cubs lineup! bye bye mets =)
Soto got hurt yesterday, didn’t he? Not bad, but enough to rest him before the playoffs.
nono the point is that they have their B lineup running out there. which is bad news for the metropolitans
wow dempster gets the game 1 start. i didnt realize he had such a great season,.
Yeah, because it’s smart to let Zambrano and Harden pitch as few games as possible in a short series.
The closer gone starter has a 2.96 era. zambrano is said to pitch or just throw tomorrow.
From LoHud:
As for Brian Cashman, he’s driving back home tomorrow and will contemplate his decision. This has nothing to do with money, it has everything to do with whether he wants to subject himself to holding on to one of the most pressurized jobs in sports. Being GM of the Yankees or Red Sox is different than being GM of the other 30 teams. Cashman had found a way to work for George Steinbrenner. But can he find a way to work with his sons? Keep in mind, Hank and Hal were not involved whatsoever until late in the 2007 season.
Cashman hasn’t decided yet. “It’s 50-50,” he said.
It’ll get uglier before it gets better if he leaves.
You think he’s staying Mike? For the first time in a while, Im really worried he’s gonna be gone.
I am too. If he does leave, it’s Hank’s – rather, Hank’s mouth’s – fault.
Hah. Part of a Lohud comment (emphasis mine):
Here’s what I look for in a future Yankee OF a guy that can get on base and go first to third or home on a double. A guy who is athletical, a burner, a gap closer, and a good route runner. I’d also want atleast 15 HR pop from him.
Heh.
That collection of words made my head hurt.
we never said the man wasnt a jackass. him and his girardi bashing
That wasn’t Pete, just a commentor.
oh. i get a headache looking at the comments on there
Like there’s a discernible difference.
I could’ve sworn that comment was about football. Athletical is……different. Maybe that person should try to get copyrights on that word…..because you know, ‘thats hot!’
Why didn’t they trade Melky and IPK for teh Johan when they had the chance?
wasnt hughes a must in that trade?
I thought it was Pavano, Farnsworth and Melky?
Plus the rights to acquire Ponson.
And that was the breaking point, Cash didn’t want to give up too much. Now I remember, thanks!
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The replay is only for Home Runs? Or fair/foul in-general?
Hendrickson on the All-Suck Team.
Only Daniel Murhpy can go from the Dropkick Murhpys to Linkin Park for his walk-up music. What a douche.
Looks like the mets are gonna win this game. Dammit!
Ivan Ivan Ivan, we havent even seen that met bullpen yet
EH my bad i thought it was the 8th
So anyone else excited about the new DEXTER season?
There we are.
Uggla sucks. Three straight changeups.
I garantee you Cano wouldn’t K on three change up in a row.
Anyone who wants to questions why you would want a ACE like Johan take a look at today that’s why.
How does the K numbers and that fastball look like now ?
It looks amazing, like everybody thought it would look like. The reason people were against the deal was because of the cost of prospects and money. Talk to to me in 2011, you can not reasonably judge this deal in Year One.
That might be just how long it will take for us to make the playoffs. You think of today’s Mets game as we play yet another meaningless game.
Enjoy the game !!!!!!
We all knew teh Johan would help this year, those in favor of not doing the deal are gambling that it would be better in the long run. I still stand by that.
I’m pretty sure Yankees would still miss the playoffs, even with teh Johan in the fold. And then they would get mocked for yet another big-ticket acquisition that failed to deliver them to the promised land.
Minus Hughes and IPK add Johan’s record add our bullpen =
PLAYOFFS and maybe more
and that’s with the injuries.
What about the next 6 years? Thinking about nothing but now now now is what got the Yanks to where they are today.
And if we get CC, he’s a very comparable pitcher, for $$$ only, which the Yankees have an abundance of. They are finally starting to build an abundance of prospects, I’d much rather wait a year for CC than blow my was in $$$ AND prospects for Santana.
Oh yeah, and if we were in the Mets division without Santana, we’d have way more than 88 wins.
“And if we get CC,”
IF being the key word. And CC is no Johan
CC
9.00 Kper9, 2.14 BBper9, 1.135 WHIP, 7.18 IP/start, age 28 on Opening Day 2009
Johan
7.87 Kper9, 2.40 BBper9, 1.167 WHIP, 6.83 IP/start, age 30 on Opening Day 2009
Johan is no CC I say.
And CC spent half the year in the AL.
Mark my words Mike CC is a injury waiting to happen.
We will see.
If this year prove anything is that no one knows what’s going to happen the next six years. When you get a chance to get a left-handed ace who played in your league you get him.
THE END.
Thank you Mike
Not making the trade was a LONG TERM desicion for this team. Buster said it best, the yanks need to get younger and avoid long contracts and build their own great players.
Wow Uggla, just Wow.
Ok someone get cohen some oxygen, hes come down with a bad case of the homers..
Someone’s going to have to hose down the Mets’ booth after the game.
Never in Gary Cohens WETTEST dreams did he think this would happen.
Oh fuck, I thought that was gone.
Dammit I thought he had it.
Oof, I thought Ross had that one.
Congrats to Santana, he came up big for them today.
It’ll be all the more painful when Ollie P. lets up 8 runs in the first inning tomorrow
O well at least we have more players that speak english than they do!
I know it’s hard as fuck to hit a Major Leaguer, but a fucking 10-year-old could have guessed that Santana would throw nothing but Changeups to Dan Uggla.
I mean seriously! its not like he was throwing wide breaking sliders. fuckin joke. o well it will only make perez getting lit up that much sweeter
And the Mets
win the pennantare stuck starting Oliver Perez tomorrow.On three days rest no less.
Nick Punto has a penchant for those barehanded plays, he made one today in the first inning after making one last night.
and the news gets worse the cubs are up 2-0
Florida Gators loss to Ole Miss. Ouch!
Is it me or anytime Ken Rosenthol reports it looks like he has a fire hydrant up his ass and catching his breath.
Sheets isn’t looking too good. Elbow’s still bugging him.
Someone yell when the Yanks start, I’m hitting the PS3, NHL09 withdrawals…
Would a IPK and D-Rob for Jeremy Hermida a great deal for both sides?
They the Marlins get a starter and a reliever both with good potential and change of scenery for both players and etc. Yanks get a young OF to replace Abreu. Fair trade no?
Sure, but they don’t get TWO pitchers with good potential