Mets Game Thread: Do or Die

Jays extend offer to Burnett
Game 161: One more tortorous Ponson start

While we wait for today’s Yanks’ game that might end up washed out anyway, lets turn our attention to the boys in blue-and-orange across town for a few hours while they still have something to play for. It’s simple: If the Mets lose OR the Phils win today, Philly wins the division. If the Brewers win today, they’ll clinch at least a tie of the Wildcard. The Mets have to win there last two games to stand a chance.

It’s already 1-0 Mets in the 4th, both Ricky Nolasco and teh Johan are dealin’.

Jays extend offer to Burnett
Game 161: One more tortorous Ponson start
  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Btw: from the last thread, what do you mean by the 100/100 club?

    • Ivan

      Teams with 100 L’s which are the M’s and Nats.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Team Payroll: $100M
      Team Losses: 100

      • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        ouch.

        • Ivan

          Double on that one.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      100+ losses, $100M+ payroll. Only one member in that fraternity.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Since the BBWAA wont vote for a MVP candidate that plays on a third or fourth-place team (St. Louis Cardinals and Houston Astros), who should win the N.L. M.V.P.?

    Speaking of which, if A-Rod can win it with the Texas Rangers in 2003, why the fuck are people complaining about Albert Pujols winning it this year?

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Because the MVP voters are morons and the reason/logic employed by the voters is specious. Don’t even worry about that stuff, it’ll never be done right.

    • Ivan

      There’s a slight difference. in 03, that year was awful for MVP canidates and A-Rod who had the best #’s won it.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      It would be criminal if Pujols doesn’t win MVP. He’s been clearly the best player in the league this year, and it’s not even close.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Howard’s had a big Sept. and Delgado’s been good in the second half, but Pujols has done it all year long. His batting avg is higher than either Howard’s or Delgado’s OBP.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          And while we’re on the topic, I’d go Sizemore or Mauer for AL MVP.

          • Ivan

            Has to be Mauer. Can’t give it Sizemore cuz hey it’s the MVP not the M.O.P.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Joe Mauer: 48 strikeouts, 82 walks, 135 OPS+. He’s a freaking catcher.

              • Ivan

                He’s been amazing and he might win the GG at catcher too. He’ the MVP in my opinion. As long it isn’t Pedroia im cool.

          • UWS

            My AL MVP ballot:

            1. Dustin Pedroia
            2. Jason Varitek
            3. David Ortiz
            4. Jon Lester
            5. Kevin Youkilis
            6. Wally the Green Monster

            For ESPN Diamond Cutters, I’m Peter Gammons.

            /tommiesmithjohncarlos

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              You forgot Theo Epstein, for his trading of Manny.

              • UWS

                *facepalm*

                D’oh! How could I forget something like that?? Must be getting senile in my old age…

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  Thank you, thank you. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • Ivan

      I agree it should be Pujols though. Without Pujols, that Cardinal team is basically the Nats.

  • Ivan

    I thought Wright sucked at 3B.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Yeah well, anyone can make a good play once in a while.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    David Wright is so clutch.

    • UWS

      Clutchiest clutchy clutch who ever clutched.

      Not like that loser ARod at all.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Remember that LoHud comment I posted about that said Phil Hughes is a “#3 starter, maybe, and IPK is a #5 starter for the Nats/Royals, at best”?

    Well, here’s a guy who wholeheartedly disagrees. Unfortunately, he makes the previous commenter seem RAB worthy:

    “Atleast Hughes has some upside as a #3 starter.”

    Come on!He just played one game well.
    Maybe he can be #5 starter.

    What was it that store janitor in Superbad said? Oh right, “Sigh…Fuck my life”.

    • UWS

      Why subject yourself to reading that drivel? Every time I do I feel like my brain will leak out through my ears….

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Yeah, seriously. I don’t understand why you even go read those comments.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Danny Murphy runs weird. Like a pitcher almost.

    • Joey H

      he cant run period.

  • UWS

    “Where have you come from, Ramon Martinez?”

    That’s what I’d like to know as well.

    • Ivan

      Word.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Speaking of horrid MVP decisions, anyone catch that FJM piece that talked about the Tampa section of the BBWAA naming Carlos Pen…err…Evan Long…err…Jason Bartlett for the MVP of the Rays?

    • Ivan

      Fun Fact:

      Evan Longoria hit worse than A-Rod in RISP.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        The next person who advocates moving Alex Rodriguez from the Yankees will suffer diarrhea during their honeymoon.

        • Jack

          What if they already had their honeymoon?

  • http://madein1903.com Felix the cat

    I’d rather sift through every thread on 4Chan.org before i look at one comment on Lohud.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      I don’t understand? LoHud commentators are usually rational, level headed, baseball purists!

  • Ivan

    Im still a little mad that the Yankees have a chance to have a better record than the Mets, yet were the team in “flux”

    • UWS

      Eh, who cares what the mediots say.

      Besides, and to be fair, it’s not like the ’06 Cardinals have an asterisk next their WS win. It’s all about the results, baby.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        UWS?

        • UWS

          Yes?

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            What does it mean? Your initials?

            • UWS

              Oh. Hah.

              No, it’s an homage to my lovely neighborhood: the Upper West Side.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      The Yankees record has less to do with the fact they’re in “flux” than does their upcoming roster turnover, the decision facing Brian Cashman and a zillion other issues, including how Hank/Hal run the team. It’s not an insult to say the Yankees are in “flux” right now, they are.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    And people talk about Derek Jeter showboating with the jump-throw?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Oh this is great. Someone emailed me saying the Yanks should go after Ryan Spilborghs for CF because “he’s a young Matt Holliday.”

    My reply: Spilborghs is 4 months older than Holliday.

    • UWS

      You should post this person’s name and email so that he can get the mocking he deserves.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    You know what’s funny, the clear-cut choices for the N.L. M.V.P. and A.L./N.L. Cy Young awards are Albert Pujols, Cliff Lee and Tim Lincecum, respectively. I’m willing to bet that only one of those three will actually win their respective awards.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I don’t think Lincecum’s a slam dunk. I can be convinced that teh Johan deserves it. And no, I’m not being a smartass.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        My top four candidates are Lincecum, Santana, Brad Webb and Jake Peavy. Lincecum is kind of owning Santana in H/9 (five less innings by Timmy coming into today’s games), K/9 (almost sixty more K’s than Johan in five less innings), vital lines (.223/.299/.319 for Timmy, and .237/.289/.369 for Johan), and he has given up twelve less dingers (again, in less innings tossed).

        I can’t see how Johan Santana can be voted for the Cy Young over Tim Lincecum.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Santana’s got a lower WHIP, better K/BB ratio, plays in a smaller (albeit still pitcher friendly) park, and in a tougher division.

          And who the hell is Brad Webb? ;)

  • Ivan

    Hit A Homer Baker.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Wow, Cohen is such a homer. That pitch was further off the plate than the one that Church struck out on, when he was bitching it was a ball.

  • Ivan

    Could Gary stop acting like fuckin fan please.

  • UWS

    Waaaah, Johan is not getting all the calls from the HP ump. Waaaaaah.

    Cry me a river, Cohen. Then call the waaaaaah-mbulance.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Then call the waaaaaah-mbulance.

      I don’t like using internet jargon like LOL, but I laughed out loud that one.

  • Ivan

    The only guy in that booth who you can listen to is Ron Darlen.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Word, he’s very fair. Snigh’s equivalent to Leiter.

      • UWS

        I usually really like Cohen + Darling (Hernandez is always atrocious), but Cohen’s been unlistenable lately. He could rival Da Hawk in his homerism. At least he doesnt’ refer to the Mets as “we.” Yet.

        • Ivan

          Word, the “we” part by Hawk was just funny and infuriating at the same time.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    And the ball boy pulls a Buckner.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Holy schnikees. They really should move Hanley to first.

    • Ivan

      It’s really funny when he said that, cuz Hanley might be a better fielder than Reyes.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        What happened to Jose Reyes’ range this year?

        • Ivan

          Cano and Reyes this year on D have been a mystery this season.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            Cano is even weirder because it happened in the second half. In the first half, only Mark Ellis had a higher Zone Rating than Robbie (in the A.L.).

  • UWS

    Holy shit, that was a big-league play by Hanley!

  • Ivan

    What a fuckin play by Hanley.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Is Doc Halladay the best pitcher in baseball; or is it the-guy-who-out-pitched-a-22-year-old-this-year-so-said-22-year-old-is-the-epic-suck?

    Hanley Ramirez, Florida’s 2009 First Basemen – Gary Cohen

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Halladay’s numbers crush teh Johan’s, and he pitches in the AL East, not the NL sissy league.

      • Ivan

        Not to take anything from Lincecum but do ya agree that his #’s are quite misleading considering he’s pitching in the weakest division in the weakest league and etc.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Agreed, although 252 K’s is nothing to sneeze at, and they’re certainly not the product of his park. He’s still a deserving candidate.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Teh Johan’s almost at 90 pitches, and there’s still 9 more outs to get.

  • Ivan

    To be fair, Marlins are the type of team that Johan would pitch great against.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Hey, Gary Cohen, can you not climax every time some little nibbler goes in the way of the Mets? kthnxbye.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Gary Cohen: “Did you call pitches, Keith?”

    Keith Hernandez: “Sniff…Sniff…Gulp…Sniff…Did I call pitches when? Who the fuck are you? Shit, is it game-time?!”

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I kinda wanna see that Quarantine flick. I’m a sucker for zombie movies.

    • UWS

      Zombies = epic win.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Rock N Rolla looks bad ass, I love those type of action flicks.

      Oh, they are making a new Street Fighter (live-action, teh epic gay!11!) movie, Street Fighter: Legend of Chun-Li. It’s going to star Kristin Kreuk (Lona Lane from Smallville) as Chun-Li, and even Taboo from the Black Eyed Peas will be cast as Vega.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        What about E. Honda? Guile? Blanka? Zangief?

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          In other words, what about anybody other than Chun-Li, a character nobody – who isn’t a perv – cares about?

          I personally wanted an Akuma movie.

      • Manimal

        Ludacris + Gerard Butler, 2 people you would not expect in the same movie.

  • Joey H

    lets hope that the yankee game gets rained out so we can watch the brewers game!

    • UWS

      I hope it gets rained out so we don’t have to be subjected to another Sidney Ponson start. Watching an actual good meaningful baseball game is secondary.

      • Joey H

        werd. the game is meaningless. i want to see sheets take the mound for the first time in like a month lol. plus watching met fans quiver is great.

  • Ivan

    Finally somebody got out Ramon Martinez.

  • Joey H

    Murphy is a terrible Outfielder. he has a 40 year olds legs. the guy cant run and covers next to no ground. church has range, an arm but no glove. thats a weird combo.

  • Ivan

    Yo Church is lost at the plate.

  • Joey H

    oh and who starts for the mets tmrw? perez? i wouldnt be too confident putting the ball in that guys glove with the season on the line

    • Joey H

      yep perez it is.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Is that Jack Bauer (nobody knows him as Kiefer Sutherland) doing the voice-over in the Bank of America commercial?

    Speaking of banks, how ’bout WaMu? Scary times…

  • Joey H

    you know met fans are praying it starts pouring so they dont have to hand it over to the bullpen.

  • Joey H

    UTOH a-ram a-so soto, theriot and some other dude are all out of the cubs lineup! bye bye mets =)

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Soto got hurt yesterday, didn’t he? Not bad, but enough to rest him before the playoffs.

      • Joey H

        nono the point is that they have their B lineup running out there. which is bad news for the metropolitans

    • Joey H

      wow dempster gets the game 1 start. i didnt realize he had such a great season,.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Yeah, because it’s smart to let Zambrano and Harden pitch as few games as possible in a short series.

        • Joey H

          The closer gone starter has a 2.96 era. zambrano is said to pitch or just throw tomorrow.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    From LoHud:

    As for Brian Cashman, he’s driving back home tomorrow and will contemplate his decision. This has nothing to do with money, it has everything to do with whether he wants to subject himself to holding on to one of the most pressurized jobs in sports. Being GM of the Yankees or Red Sox is different than being GM of the other 30 teams. Cashman had found a way to work for George Steinbrenner. But can he find a way to work with his sons? Keep in mind, Hank and Hal were not involved whatsoever until late in the 2007 season.

    Cashman hasn’t decided yet. “It’s 50-50,” he said.

    It’ll get uglier before it gets better if he leaves.

    • Ivan

      You think he’s staying Mike? For the first time in a while, Im really worried he’s gonna be gone.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        I am too. If he does leave, it’s Hank’s – rather, Hank’s mouth’s – fault.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Hah. Part of a Lohud comment (emphasis mine):

    Here’s what I look for in a future Yankee OF a guy that can get on base and go first to third or home on a double. A guy who is athletical, a burner, a gap closer, and a good route runner. I’d also want atleast 15 HR pop from him.

    Heh.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      That collection of words made my head hurt.

    • Joey H

      we never said the man wasnt a jackass. him and his girardi bashing

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        That wasn’t Pete, just a commentor.

        • Joey H

          oh. i get a headache looking at the comments on there

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Like there’s a discernible difference. ;)

    • E-ROC

      I could’ve sworn that comment was about football. Athletical is……different. Maybe that person should try to get copyrights on that word…..because you know, ‘thats hot!’

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Why didn’t they trade Melky and IPK for teh Johan when they had the chance?

    • Joey H

      wasnt hughes a must in that trade?

    • Steve H

      I thought it was Pavano, Farnsworth and Melky?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Plus the rights to acquire Ponson.

        • Steve H

          And that was the breaking point, Cash didn’t want to give up too much. Now I remember, thanks!

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  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    The replay is only for Home Runs? Or fair/foul in-general?

  • Ivan

    Hendrickson on the All-Suck Team.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Only Daniel Murhpy can go from the Dropkick Murhpys to Linkin Park for his walk-up music. What a douche.

  • Ivan

    Looks like the mets are gonna win this game. Dammit!

    • Joey H

      Ivan Ivan Ivan, we havent even seen that met bullpen yet :)

      • Joey H

        EH my bad i thought it was the 8th

  • Joey H

    So anyone else excited about the new DEXTER season?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    There we are.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Uggla sucks. Three straight changeups.

    • Ivan

      I garantee you Cano wouldn’t K on three change up in a row.

  • mustang

    Anyone who wants to questions why you would want a ACE like Johan take a look at today that’s why.
    How does the K numbers and that fastball look like now ?

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      It looks amazing, like everybody thought it would look like. The reason people were against the deal was because of the cost of prospects and money. Talk to to me in 2011, you can not reasonably judge this deal in Year One.

      • mustang

        That might be just how long it will take for us to make the playoffs. You think of today’s Mets game as we play yet another meaningless game.

        Enjoy the game !!!!!!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      We all knew teh Johan would help this year, those in favor of not doing the deal are gambling that it would be better in the long run. I still stand by that.

      • UWS

        I’m pretty sure Yankees would still miss the playoffs, even with teh Johan in the fold. And then they would get mocked for yet another big-ticket acquisition that failed to deliver them to the promised land.

        • mustang

          Minus Hughes and IPK add Johan’s record add our bullpen =

          PLAYOFFS and maybe more

          and that’s with the injuries.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            What about the next 6 years? Thinking about nothing but now now now is what got the Yanks to where they are today.

            • Steve H

              And if we get CC, he’s a very comparable pitcher, for $$$ only, which the Yankees have an abundance of. They are finally starting to build an abundance of prospects, I’d much rather wait a year for CC than blow my was in $$$ AND prospects for Santana.

              Oh yeah, and if we were in the Mets division without Santana, we’d have way more than 88 wins.

              • mustang

                “And if we get CC,”

                IF being the key word. And CC is no Johan

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  CC

                  9.00 Kper9, 2.14 BBper9, 1.135 WHIP, 7.18 IP/start, age 28 on Opening Day 2009

                  Johan

                  7.87 Kper9, 2.40 BBper9, 1.167 WHIP, 6.83 IP/start, age 30 on Opening Day 2009

                  Johan is no CC I say.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  And CC spent half the year in the AL.

                • mustang

                  Mark my words Mike CC is a injury waiting to happen.
                  We will see.

            • mustang

              If this year prove anything is that no one knows what’s going to happen the next six years. When you get a chance to get a left-handed ace who played in your league you get him.
              THE END.

      • Ivan

        Thank you Mike

    • Ivan

      Not making the trade was a LONG TERM desicion for this team. Buster said it best, the yanks need to get younger and avoid long contracts and build their own great players.

  • Ivan

    Wow Uggla, just Wow.

  • Joey H

    Ok someone get cohen some oxygen, hes come down with a bad case of the homers..

  • UWS

    Someone’s going to have to hose down the Mets’ booth after the game.

    • Joey H

      Never in Gary Cohens WETTEST dreams did he think this would happen.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Oh fuck, I thought that was gone.

  • Ivan

    Dammit I thought he had it.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Oof, I thought Ross had that one.

  • UWS

    Congrats to Santana, he came up big for them today.

    It’ll be all the more painful when Ollie P. lets up 8 runs in the first inning tomorrow :)

  • Joey H

    O well at least we have more players that speak english than they do!

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    I know it’s hard as fuck to hit a Major Leaguer, but a fucking 10-year-old could have guessed that Santana would throw nothing but Changeups to Dan Uggla.

    • Joey H

      I mean seriously! its not like he was throwing wide breaking sliders. fuckin joke. o well it will only make perez getting lit up that much sweeter :)

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    And the Mets win the pennant are stuck starting Oliver Perez tomorrow.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      On three days rest no less.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Nick Punto has a penchant for those barehanded plays, he made one today in the first inning after making one last night.

  • Joey H

    and the news gets worse the cubs are up 2-0

  • E-ROC

    Florida Gators loss to Ole Miss. Ouch!

  • Joey H.

    Is it me or anytime Ken Rosenthol reports it looks like he has a fire hydrant up his ass and catching his breath.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Sheets isn’t looking too good. Elbow’s still bugging him.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Someone yell when the Yanks start, I’m hitting the PS3, NHL09 withdrawals…

  • Ivan

    Would a IPK and D-Rob for Jeremy Hermida a great deal for both sides?

    They the Marlins get a starter and a reliever both with good potential and change of scenery for both players and etc. Yanks get a young OF to replace Abreu. Fair trade no?

    • Joey H.

      Sure, but they don’t get TWO pitchers with good potential