Mo to go under the knife

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Mariano Rivera will have arthroscopic shoulder surgery on Oct. 6, reports Tyler Kepner, to clear up some calcification in his throwing arm. Rivera, who had been throwing with shoulder pain all season, will be ready for Spring Training. My nagging thought: The Yanks doled out very large contracts last year to two players in their late 30s, and both suffered shoulder injuries this year. While Jorge Posada and Rivera both earned their deals and are, in a sense, getting paid for past accomplishments, I can’t imagine the Yanks will give out too many more of these long deals to older players.

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  • steve (different one)

    if 2008 was the last year of Mo’s previous contract, would you advocate giving him a 2 year, $30M contract this offseason?

    i don’t think that would be a crazy thing to do.

    Mo’s contract will likely work out well for the Yankees.

    • Edwantsacracker

      They said that it the shoulder issue showed up on his physical and they signed the deal anyway, so I guess the answer to that is yes, its worth the gamble.

  • Mike A.

    You mean he can’t just heal himself? Praise be to Mo.

    • steve (different one)

      he can. he just elected surgery in an effort to help boost our ailing economy. surgery on such a high profile figure has to be very expensive and will lead to wealth transfer from a billion dollar corporation into the health services industry.

      that’s how Mo rolls.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        The Good Mo works in mysterious ways.

        Mosanna in the highest.

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  • jsbrendog

    ok. so MO had one of the most amazing years he’s had while pitching with pain all year and didnt say a word til like a week ago?

    why can’t everyone be like rivera….when he finally retires a lot of people i feel will be booed trying to fill in for him.

    • AndrewYF

      Yeah, why can’t everybody have unimaginable talent and be the best ever at their respective positions…

      • A.D.

        well only Yankees

    • steve (different one)

      wait, so you’re saying you want more players who are injured to NOT reveal the full extent of all of their injuries?

      i’m confused, b/c when Girardi does it, he’s worse than Hitler.

      when Jeter or Mo conceal injuries, it’s laudible.

      i will have to ask Peter Abraham to clear this up.

      • jsbrendog

        no i want more people to pitch like hall of famers even if they have injuries. is that too much to ask?

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Yes. It is.

          This incident is just a microcosm of Mariano Rivera’s utter insanity of a career. No other reliever has ever been this good, this often, this frequently, for this long. He’s a statistical outlier, and we’d be greedy/foolhardy to expect others to mimic his success.

          He throws only one pitch, and yet Major Leaguers have been unable to hit it for the past 13 years. Think about that again.

  • Chris

    One question about the contracts… Are older players more likely to get injured?

    Obviously there is a higher probability that they will suffer a significant decline, but neither Posada or Mo were in a situation like that. I don’t think that either is age related, and in Mo’s case his performance with the injury justifies the contract.

    As for the injuries, there is a higher probability that young pitchers (under 25) will be injured than older pitchers (25-35). I’m not sure how that would apply to a 38 year old closer. I have no idea what the injury history is for catchers.

    • Reggie C.

      Just wanted to toss this out there.
      So does this mean that a 35-year old, reliable innings eater like Derek Lowe won’t be added to the rotation?? If we miss the boat on CC (seeing him celebrate with the brew crew made me sick to my stomach), then someone like Derek Lowe could serve as an effective #3 stop-gap till Joba and Hughes finally log respective innings and improve.

      If Lowe accepts a 2 year contract, Lowe’s a better bet than Hughes / Kennedy / Aceves to put up 13-15 wins a year from the 3 hole.

      Wang / Joba(?) / Lowe / Pettitte or Moose / Hughes

      — is it just me or does Phil Coke have a shot at cracking the rotation at some point..

      • A.D.

        Coke may be given the opportunity, but there might be a pretty big difference in Coke as a 1 or 2 inning guy, or Coke the starter. He’s obv. impressed the organization, so they’ll give him the opportunity to get a starting job I imagine.

        Maybe next year with be the great Phile Coke starter vs reliever debate??

    • Ed

      Generally, catchers knees tend to cause them a lot of trouble starting somewhere around 32-35. To a lesser extent, issues with other parts of the legs tend to be a problem as well. It’s a side effect from constantly crouching in all that heavy equipment.

      Most catchers started catching in High School or even Little League. Posada didn’t start catching until his second season in the Yankees system, so there’s a lot less wear on his knees than on most catchers his age.

      As for the shoulder injury, that’s just a freak thing that could happen to anyone of any age. The severity of it is because he kept playing through pain.

  • A.D.

    Obviously don’t like anyone to go under knife, but from what everyone says, doesn’t seem like too big of a deal.

    Hopefully this means an ever better season for Rivera (if possible) in ’09

    • AndrewYF

      I’m just afraid that a knife going into Rivera’s shoulder will remove the divine enchantment put upon it during the 1995 postseason.

      • A.D.

        Last time he had arm surgery, it worked out for him…..history is on our side!

    • Yank Crank 20

      There will be no knife going into his shoulder. It’s arthroscopic, they will go in with a small incision and shave down the bone spurs. It will be quick and harmless to his shoulder muscles considering there is no muscle damage.

  • Yank Crank 20

    You mean no more of these contracts to older players other than Jeter in 2010, right Ben?

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Humperdinck: Ah, my dulcet darling. Tonight, we marry. Tomorrow morning your men will escort us to Florin channel, where every ship in my armada waits to accompany us on our honeymoon.

      Buttercup: Every ship but your four fastest, you mean… Every ship but the four you sent.

      Humperdinck: Yes. Yes, of course. Naturally, not those four.

      • Whitey14

        Dynamite drop-in! Classic movie reference. Everybody should have at least one quote available from that movie that they can use at the drop of a hat.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos

          -Fezzik, are there rocks ahead?
          -If there are, we’ll all be dead!

  • Ricochet

    This is overreaction on RAB when concerning Mo, you just see his age and surgery and you 1 and 1 together to make an argument that you don’t understand.

    The same thing happens to someone in there late 20’s and nobody takes much notice. It’s a scope, big deal there not invasive and there will be minor repairs and it will mostly just be cleaning up the area. This actually quite normal for athletes because there is so much wear and tear on the body.

    • Ben K.

      Thanks, Doctor, for telling us what we don’t understand. I’ll be sure to consult with my nearest medical professional first next time.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “I’ll be sure to consult with my nearest medical professional first next time.”

        No need, just consult with Dr. Ricochet.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Exactly, because every single doctor in the world always refers to surgery as “Totally not a big deal, dude.”

  • Peedlum

    I’ll give a 38 year old a contract for the season Mo put up any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

  • tommiesmithjohncarlos

    “Rivera, who had been throwing with shoulder pain all season, will be ready for Spring Training.”

    Can we safely assume Mo will go 5-0 with 62 saves and a 0.00 ERA, 0.000 WHIP and 150K in 70 IP next year?

    • Ben K.

      Why just 150 K in 70? If my math is correct, he should record 210 K in 70 IP, no?

      Also, if you notice, yesterday when Papelbon was on the mound, it was raining. When Mo was on the mound, it wasn’t running. Mo made the rain stop. He controls the weather.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Okay… stop right there, and I’ll bring back the sun.

      • AndrewYF

        Imagine what he could control without a shoulder injury.

    • UWS

      150K? Pshaw. 210K or bust.

      • UWS

        Damn you, Ben :)

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        And for the record, he’ll only have 150 K’s (all looking) because the other 60 outs will be weak broken bat grounders on strike one back to the pitcher.

        Don’t worry, I had it covered.

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          I’m getting confused.

          • tommiesmithjohncarlos

            Start listening in English instead of Spanish.