Open Thread: One week of baseball left

It wasn't all roses
Not dead yet

It’s a quiet night in Yankeeland as the players and fans have spent the day reflecting on last night’s Yankee Stadium finale. But just because the Yanks are off doesn’t mean baseball stops.

Across town, as the Mets look to close out Shea Stadium, the team has entered their annual September swoon. Already out of first place, they’re playing the Cubs with their October hopes on the line. In Atlanta, the Phillies are looking to hold on to their slim NL East lead. In Cleveland, the Red Sox are searching for that one win to clinch a playoff berth while we’re hoping the improbable can happen.

Meanwhile, we’re always have CC. Jon Heyman chimes in with yet another Yankee-filled column, and this one’s a doozy. He says it’ll take “crazy” money for CC to come to the AL and the Bronx. Funny thing about the Yanks is that they just happen to have crazy money lying around in piles. Heyman also believes that Bobby Abreu, Jason Giambi and Andy Pettitte will be gone but that Mike Mussina will retire.

He also mentions two other items of note: The Yanks have all but given up on Melky Cabrera and will be looking for a center fielder this off-season. Second, Robinson Cano remains the Yanks’ biggest trade chip, and it is Heyman’s view and his view only that the Yanks could explore trade options. Considering the younger/better mantra the Yanks are attempting to adopt, I don’t see the team moving Cano.

So as the evening wears on, and baseball heads to a finish, use this thread for an open thread. Speculate on the Yanks. Check in on the pennant races. Nothing is off-topic.

It wasn't all roses
Not dead yet
  • Jack

    Sox & Indians tied at 1, top 4. We can dream, can’t we?

    • Jack

      3-1, bitches.

  • kenthadley

    If we are going to trade Cano, how about Matt Cain? I dont think we should give up Cano, but if they think Hudson is an adequate replacement, then might Cain be a pitching solution? Also like the McClouth idea, but dont think Pitt would give up a controllable assets easily.

    • Infamous

      The mets sucking puts me in a good mood

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      I’d rather have Cain than Cano, so I don’t know if the Giants would do that.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        In any trade each party would rather have the package it receives than the package it gives up. That’s the whole point. Different people have different opinions of particular players and different “other” factors affecting their thinking (positional need, financial consideration, etc.).

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    I’m curious–would any of you trade Johnny Damon for Jeremy Affeldt? This is what this clown wrote:

    http://mvn.com/outsider/2008/09/17/being-the-gm-2009-new-york-yankees/

    A follow-up: How about Damon + $4M for Homer Bailey or Drew Stubbs? Now we’re talking…

    • Jack

      Even though Cano’s offense has struggled this year and he is not a good defender, . . .

      What?

      Phil Hughes is a quality pitcher but is not the next greatest pitcher of all time like some have portrayed him to be.

      And he knows this how?

      God, I hate people.

      • UWS

        And obviously Yankees have no use for Hughes if he’s not the greatest pitcher on God’s green earth. Whatever. I’ll just take a moment and thank Mariano that fans of teams aren’t the actual GMs :-)

    • Infamous

      what the hell would make him think we would trade Hughes AND Cano for a good first basemen when we didnt trade one of them for one of the best pitchers in the game. That was retarded

      • Infamous

        The people who commented are even more stupid.
        “3B Rodriguez… I hate this guy. Always have. He could hit 78 hr’s wit 300 rbi’s, he’s no good for “team…” and for those of you who think that’s over estimated, checc bacc the last 8 yrs. We won what we won with NO MARQUEE NAMES but TEAM!

    • greg

      i read that a few days ago and couldn’t believe how dumb it was. you can see my comment there under affeldt. According to Cot’s, affeldt is a free agent anyway, and I still don’t want him.

      • greg

        *under greg

        • Infamous

          haha thats funny I was about to comment on it but then i read your post and thats exactly what i woulda said. you saved me some typing and anger. i just couldnt believe the dumb ass shit people were saying

  • Steve

    Mets getting shown whats going to happen to them if they make the playoffs.

    Right now, Lou Pinella is sitting in the dugout doing his best Mike Tyson impersonation, pointing at Jerry Manuel and saying “You fucking with the REAL man! I’ll fuck you till you love me, Bitch!”

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos
      • Jack
        • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

          imagine if someone accidently bumped into it in the subway…

        • Steve

          Laugh all you want, I know how it feels. Its such a burden to live with.

        • Ivan

          If it was a black guy, it would have been more believable.

      • Steve

        They have no shot of advancing, I’m sorry. I think most Met fans will privately admit this.

        The comparisons to the 2005 White Sox are silly. The Sox had a FAR better starting 5, they had El Duque in the bullpen who was playoffs tested and heroic, and they had a legit closer.

        The Mets have 2 decent starters, no bullpen and Pelfry is hitting his innings limits and running on fumes. They’re just not a very good team.

      • Ivan

        That’s a funny one.

    • UWS

      Is allowing two grand slams to a pitcher in the same season a record of some sort? Has to be, right?

      • Steve

        Yeah, they were saying something like that on the broadcast.

        Gary (the Yankee hater) Cohen mentioned it.

        • Ivan

          Gary is such a yankee hater. Every time the yanks play the mets, you can just here the hatred he has for the yanks.

      • Jack
  • Ivan

    I was thinking this, who on the NL could sign CC Sabathia?

    I really don’t see any team in the NL signing him to a big contract. Sure the Dodgers might sign him to that mega deal but McCourt is cheap as hell and is pretty ticked that his payroll is over 100M. Really majority of the teams that can afford him and make sense giving him his big contract are in the AL. So unless the Angels don’t wanna Tex, it’s a not lock that he goes to the NL or the west, far from it.

    Second, I really don’t see Giambi, Abreu, Pettitte and Moose all leaving. Sure some will leave (like Giambi and one of Pettitte/Moose) but not all. Then Heyman said that Pettitte might pitch somewhere else and Moose might retire, isn’t that suppose to go the other way around? Pettitte/Moose is coming back, not both but one of them.

    Also, unless they can get something really good for Cano, he’s staying put. His value is low right now and Cano potential at second base is enormous. I’ll be surprise if he’s gone.

    Then he talks about CF. McClouth doesn’t really excite me at all, neither does Dejesus and unless the yanks trade Cano, they ain’t getting Kemp and you make the arguement that Cano has the better upside offensively and defensively than Kemp.

    Overall, I think Heyman’s article is a tad off.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Just curious… What do you not like about Nate McLouth?

      • Ivan

        Well he’s a good player but really he’s not a great defender and really I wonder if this is a guy who can get better or this is the best he can be.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          He has a 126 OPS+ with 26 HR and 21 SB at age 26. I actually brought his name up to my friend earlier tonight and he made a good point – the Pirates may not want to deal with the Yankees so soon after the Nady/Tabata deal. Any potential roadblock like that aside, though, if the Pirates were willing to deal McLouth I don’t see how the Yankees could not be interested in a player like that. Even if he doesn’t improve on those numbers, you wouldn’t take that kind of performance out of your center fielder? He’s solid, no reason not to like him.

          • Jack

            What do you think it would take to get him?

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              I have no idea. It’s impossible to know what it would take. You can speculate on what you might be willing to give up, but it’s completely futile to speculate about what another organization wants. I guess the Pirates are interested in acquiring more pitching, and who knows if they’d even make McLouth available. I feel like I may get killed for saying this, but I don’t know that anyone not named Hughes or Chamberlain should be out of the question. As always, these deals are never straight-up player for a player type deals, it’s really impossible to speculate on what it might take or what the Yankees would have to give up. Don’t know (a) who Pittsburgh likes, (b) who in Pitt’s organization the Yanks might be interested in, etc.

              • Ivan

                You just said you got to trade good pieces to get good pieces. So I don’t know if people will ya for having an idea of trading some some player for a player like McClouth.

              • iYankees

                Honestly, the Pirates love Nate McLouth (even though his tremendous power in the first half was somewhat of an aberration) and with him, Doumit, Tabata, Sanchez, and others, they’ll have a pretty solid offensive core next year.

                I like the idea of trading for David DeJesus (Royals). You wouldn’t have to give up Cano and you’re getting a solid player (young), in return (he’s having a career year too).

          • Ivan

            Yea but your gonna have to trade a good piece or pieces for him.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              You have to trade good pieces to get good pieces (in most cases). Such is life.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                This is true, but you don’t want to fill a hole by creating another one. The idea is trade players from positions of strength of depth to get back players in return that fill your holes. In the Yanks’ case, that would mean keeping Cano and probably trading a young arm or two.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  I never said the Yankees should trade Cano.

          • Ivan

            and he ain’t Grady Sizemore.

          • A.D.

            McLouth career numbers (albeit 2 seasons) are no where near this years numbers, I’ll pass

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              That’s fair enough… But do you say that about every player? I mean, everyone has to have their first real good season at some point, right? (Other than the extremely small percentage of players that hit MLB and start producing immediately.)

              I hesitate to do this, but just as a point of comparison, take a look at O’Neill’s numbers in Cincy, before he became a Yankee. Would you have said “thanks but no thanks” to trading for Paul O’Neill?

              McLouth is 26. His numbers at 25 weren’t bad, and it’s not like this season is so out of line with what was projected for him. I’ve also only heard praise for his game, I don’t think professionals (front office types, scouts) expect a big regression from him as if he’s outperforming his abilities (correct me if I’m wrong on that one). Isn’t that precisely the kind of guy you want to target? The kind of guy who is going into his age 27 season and is just hitting his prime, as opposed to a guy who you have to pay for past performance?

    • Steve

      Keep an eye on the Padres this off season. The owner just had a messy divorce and is looking to get the payroll under 50 mil for next off season. Even the guys who aren’t making much (A-Gon, Kouzmanoff) could be on the block, as well as the obvious high salary guys like Peavey.

      The idea would be they’re not going to be ready to compete next year, so sell off your best assets Dan Haren style a year or two early and get the most back for them.

      • Ivan

        I really don’t see them trading Gonzalez. His contract is very favorable and also it would take an Oakland type of trade for Haren to get a player like Gonzalez.

        • Steve

          Exactly, it wont be cheap. But they have a kid who’s destroying AA names Kyle Blanks, so it could be a perfect time to deal A-Gon for a big package. That team was a huge disappointment this year, so I think they’re looking to tear it down.

          One way the package gets cheaper is if they make us take one of their awful Catchers off their hands. Then its makes more sense on both sides, and we have some depth at Catcher if Posada isn’t ready.

          • A.D.

            exactly they have a nice 1B in the minors, who’s even cheaper, and from what i’ve seen, no real chance for a position change

            • Steve

              From their point of view if they could deal A-Gon now and solve 2-3 problems long term, its a deal they have to make. They need OFers, pitching and maybe a stopgap 1B like Miranda. Were actually a pretty good fit, and Cash is very friendly with Towers.

  • Steve

    Hi all –

    Top 10 prospect Andrew Brackman pitched in an actual game today at the Yankees Minor League Complex (instructional league and lost 4-0 to the Phillies). Does anyone have any details on his outing? There is a premium subsriber blurb on PinstripePlus.

    • Steve

      Woo-hooo!!!

      Details, por favor.

    • A.D.

      he lost, forget him he’s a bum, maybe we can trade him for Moyer

  • mustang

    3-1
    Cleveland

    Hope lives !!!!

    • Jack

      4-1. Suck it, Boston.

      • mustang

        That’s what I’m talking about FUCK Red Sox nation and ESPN.

    • mustang

      CHRISTOPHER REEVE:
      Once you choose hope, anything’s possible.

  • Adrian-Retire21

    They should keep Cano the Yankees don’t have enough position players in the minors who are any good.

    Also remember Cantu of the Rays,Felipe Lopez of the Reds,Casitllo of the Twins.These guys were good two years ago but have sucked recently.Second basemen are like relievers they can easily suck really quickly.

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      And Cantu is doing pretty well right now

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      How does citing the respective flame-outs of other second basemen and saying that “second basemen are like relievers they can easily suck really quickly” help your argument that the Yankees should keep Cano? Invoke the name Carlos Baerga while you’re at it.

      • Steve H

        Yeah, not getting that myself. Or is there something that separates Cano from potentially flaming out. He’s just had 600 at-bats that sucked, so is Cano now sucking really quickly, or just a full season bump in the road?

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    David Barrett. That is all.

  • E-ROC

    The next thing that should be on the Jets agenda is a running back.

  • E-ROC

    Oh yeah, after getting a running back, the Jets should invest in some wide receivers.

  • Freddy

    Red Sox threatening in the bottom of the 7th.

  • Adrian-Retire21

    The Honorable Congressman Mondesi:

    Not saying all second basemen flameout but they can easily suck doesn’t mean they will suck the rest of their career like Cantu.Just saying they can easily play bad and have a bad year.Cano 25 and he had a bad year but he’s numbers this season is very second basemen looking.

    Get Larry Bowa.

    • Ivan

      You and all the people please quit with the Larry Bowa BS.

    • greg

      umm suck for the rest of his career? Why don’t you look at Cantu’s stats this year buddy?

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Alright, alright… His reasoning is a little off but we all know he’s saying Cano had a bad year and he’s not interested in trading him after that one bad year.

  • dkidd

    two weeks ago, i made peace with our season being over and resolved to stop giving myself ulcers and just enjoy the stadiums last homestand. now i’m hanging on every pitch of the sox-indians game. stupid hope.

    • UWS

      tell me ’bout it.

    • donttradecano

      same here….i guess last night gave alot of people hope

  • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Ha… Ok, this is just funny. Re the discussion earlier of Nate McLouth… According to Baseball-Reference.com, McLouth’s most similar batter at age 25 was one Paul Andrew O’Neill.

  • nolan

    If CC sabathia is going to cost “crazy” money you have to figure he’s going to want something comparable to Santana (maybe more) so figure at least 25 million per year for 5 years. Why not sign Ben Sheets and AJ burnett to 4 year 15-18 million/year contracts and give the rotation more depth? So you end up paying a little bit more but you get 2 very good pitchers instead of just one big fat one who may break down at any moment. You can even resign Moose and Pettitte to be your number 4 and 5 starters. Your rotation looks like Wang, Sheets, Burnett, Pettite, Moose with Joba and Hughes waiting in the wings to replace a starter when someone gets hurt…and we all know somebody is going to get hurt.

    • donttradecano

      sheets and burnett are injuries waiting to happen

      • Jack

        Sheets is an injury that already happened.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      CC “may” break down at any moment, as MAY any pitcher… But Sheets and Burnett have a HISTORY of breaking down. I’m not taking sides here in a CC vs Sheets/Burnett conversation, but that line of reasoning is pretty specious. If health is a major concern of yours, I don’t see how you advocate signing Burnett/Sheets over CC.

      • Hitman

        Correct but I’d also like to point out that CC has pitched more innings in the last 2 seasons than he ever has. He’s used to 190+. The last 2 years he’s gone to 240. Think about it. Now he’s even pitching on 3 days rest. I say no to all these guys.

  • dkidd

    ellsbury inning ending double play. someone link a fail picture

  • Ivan

    Mets are three outs away from being down 2.5 games behind the Phils and only 1 game infront of the Brewers.

  • dkidd

    thank you

  • Batty

    I don’t know if I want Boston to lose to fight another day or have them be eliminated on their off day. I guess they deserve to be humiliated, might help come back a bit harder next year.

  • donttradecano

    how mets fans enjoy there losses (gets good at the 7 min mark)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdnImqDmLqk

  • Batty

    FUCK!

    • Batty

      Whew

  • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Oh Jeebus. Come on Jensen Lewis.

  • Jack
  • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    We’re still in this thing! lol

  • donttradecano

    jed lowrie=fail

  • dkidd

    sox lose. cliff lee pitching tomorrow, then the choking begins in earnest

    • Steve

      They have some good pitching matchups after that. I can’t see them losing out.

      • dkidd

        i just want them to sweat a little

        • Whitey14

          They’re not the ones sweating, as evidenced by all of you that are here “clinging to hope”. Welcome to a tiny glimpse of what it was like pre 2004 for Red Sox fans. You knew you were out, but you still clung to hope like a 2 month old clings to a boobie, because mathmatically there was a chance. In a couple of days, you guys will just be hoping to win the season series against Boston for the sake of winning something, anything. I’m sorry, I’ve been there and I know it’s a miserable feeling, but believe me, your hopes will be dashed, but it will help you focus on next year and the improved product I’m sure you will have on the field.

          Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying you shouldn’t have hope, or stay in there until the very end, I’m just commisserating because I’ve been there, several times, and I know how tough it is on fans to have their team drag them to the very end, only to let them down.

  • Chip

    Nice, no clinching tonight boys

  • UWS

    The dream LIVES!!!! (another day)

  • NYFan50

    A trade that was centered around Kemp for Cano would not be a bad one for the Yankees. Sign Orlando Hudson to work his magic at 2B, fill the CF spot for the long term, and put Tex at first. Let Abreu go and the OF is Damon, Kemp, Nady next year.

    • A.D.

      that wouldn’t be bad at all.

      I think if you can put Tex in the middle of the lineup next year, the lineup will be real nice either way.

      Otherwise they might be able to trade for a Willy Taveras as a solid cf, coming off a down year, and who has essentially become an after thought in Colorado

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        He’s an afterthought for a reason – He’s not a very good at hitting baseballs.

        • A.D.

          career .283 hitter, Hudson is a career .282 hitter

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I have no idea how Hudson’s career average is relevant. I didn’t say anything about Orlando Hudson.

            Taveras has a career OPS+ of 72, career OBP of .331, and career SLG of .337. He is not a good hitter, and it’s really not arguable.

            • A.D.

              i was saying Hudson vs Taveras since in the original scenario posed its basically sign Hudson & trade Cano for a CF, so if Cano & Kemp are an offensive wash, it comes down to Taveras vs Hudson, their numbers aren’t that different, other than Hudson’s gap power, which Taveras can make up by stealing second after a slap hit

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Just for sake of argument…

                Taveras OPS+ 72, OBP .331, SLG .337
                Hudson OPS+ 99, OBP .346, SLG .433

                Not like Hudson’s a world-beater, but he’s a better hitter than Taveras. In addition, Taveras has spent his entire career putting up those numbers in the NL Central and NL West. I’m willing to bet that his numbers would be UGLY in the AL East.

                I’m really not even arguing over the merits of Orlando Hudson. I just don’t want Willy Taveras wearing a Yankees uniform. Ever.

                • A.D.

                  fair enough, he’d probably put up the same numbers lofton did for us anyways

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  lol I don’t think you understand how bad Taveras is. Kenny Lofton, in his one season with the Yankees, put up better numbers than Taveras has put up in his career.

                  Lofton (’04) OPS+ 95, OBP .346, SLG .395
                  Taveras (career) OPS+ 72, OBP .331, SLG .337

                  Willy Taveras is AWFUL.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        I’d rather stick Melky back in the outfield than Wily Taveras. Taveras sucks.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Ugh. Thank you. I’ll puke if the Yanks acquire Taveras and intend for him to see playing time.

    • UWS

      I do not understand why people are jumping at this “sign Hudson” thing. He’s 31, coming off a serious wrist injury and has some serious home/road splits. This is the guy you want to sign to a 3-4 year deal which he’ll most likely ask for?

    • pat

      yes we just filled the CF position for the long term but SIGNED A 31 YEAR OLD 2ND BASEMAN. robbing peter to pay paul you are

      • Jack

        Poor Paul, always getting fucked by society.

  • A.D.

    JETS defense blows

    • donttradecano

      entire team blows

  • UWS

    How do we manage to get both Burnett AND Halladay every freakin’ time???

    • Ivan

      Word.

  • A.D.

    Everyone talks about how much they have to pay Tex if the sign him, at some 20M a year….that’s still less then they paid Giambi this year, and surely more productive

    • Steve

      .950 OPS guys don’t come along every year at any position, plus he plays a good 1B and runs the bases well. Other than that, he completely sucks.

      • Steve

        I hear Tex has a horrible singing voice and can never remember the words to songs.

        Now Tony Clark, he can carry a tune.

    • pat

      Fuck the money it honestly doesnt make a shit of a difference. Money means absolutely nothing to this payroll ESPECIALLY WITH SO MUCH COMING OFF THE BOOKS. 28 year old power switch hitting gold glove first baseman don’t fall out of heaven every day just sign the dude for whatever he wants.

  • Mike Pop

    I would love mcclouth but not at the expense of cano…i wouldnt deal cano for any of them if we could get mcclouth for alan horne marquez and some others id do it but cano is a yankee

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Jose Molina’s a Yankee too. Would you not trade him for McLouth?

      (Just giving you shit, I know what you meant.)

    • A.D.

      Cano > McClouth.

      McClouth is a LF playing center, who is a career .263 hitter. Maybe he’s turned a corner this year, and maybe its just one year

      • Mike Pop

        ya well pirates are good at raping us taking tabata for nady ugh

  • Mike Pop

    Sign Tex and 2 of the 3 top tier pitchers and maybe look into manny than u got the squad of squads// i might even jus say manny tex and burnett or sheets and u got the squad

    • Ivan

      Isn’t signing long term contracts got the yanks in trouble over the years. To me the yanks need to avoid long contracts like Tex and maybe CC but I rather give that money to CC than Tex.

      Yankees need to build a foundation. I am not saying yankees shouldn’t spend money, of course they should, but they really should try avoid as much long contracts as possible.

      • Mike Pop

        Tex is better for the money man u craaaaaaazy

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Ivan… I don’t mean this as an antagonistic comment… But what do you propose the Yankees do? What path do you want to see them follow? By that I mean what do you think they should actually do, rhetoric aside? I mean, it’s great to say the Yankees should avoid long-term commitments and all that, but who is going to be on this team in 2009, 2010, etc.? Can they not “build a foundation” by building a strong player development system while still signing a free agent or making a trade when necessary or beneficial to the big league club? I think there’s a happy medium somewhere between the extremes, and I think you need to allow for the fact that some free agent signings and some trades are good for the team and the organization as a whole. Many great players on past Yankees teams have been acquired via free agency or trades, it’s impossible to completely build a team through the farm system.

  • A.D.

    So has Aceves essentially given himself a starting spot thats his to loose next year, barring redic volume of free agent signings

    • donttradecano

      depends on if they add CC or if mussina and pettite come back

  • Mike Pop

    Horne killed us by getting hurt he coulda been such a big trade chip

  • r.w.g.

    Cardinals might have some outfielders available. Schumaker and Ankiel aren’t perfect players, but then can hit and field. One of them could probably be had if an effort was made.

    Don’t know how much truth there is to any of it.. but I have seen slight mentions here and there of Chipper Jones possibly being traded. If he is available.. if he can be MADE available, that is the guy to do it for (but don’t trade Cano).

  • Mike Pop

    ID much rather sign Tex to a long term deal than CC

    • A.D.

      As I see it CC would be huge for stabilizing the rotation, but Tex is probably easier to sign, and less injury concerns, at a position we have nothing coming up soon

  • Lasoo

    How about trying to get DeJesus from the royals? He would be cheaper than Kemp or McClouth. An outfield of Nady/Damon/DeJesus sounds pretty good to me. What do you guys think a package for DeJesus might have to include?

    • A.D.

      something with pitching for sure, maybe a Whelan and Kontos, something like that, maybe it could be a Jason Jones type, DeJesus isn’t super special

      • Lasoo

        Yeah, he’s not great. but if he could be had on the cheap, he’d be a solid option if they decide to let abreu go.

  • http://www.3KidsTix.com Scott from 3 Kids Tickets

    I promised pictures from last night. Here’s a small sample…

    http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2007233&l=a8877&id=1075115647

    -Scott

  • pat

    The guy at pp posted a picture of erickson lianora so i guess hes real. That makes the fact that cashman lied to interested reader even better, muahaha

  • Bonos

    The problem is that he is sixteen. So in 2014 we might have something for the next generation.