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		<title>By: Chris C.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/09/pettitte-shoulder-done-for-the-year-4683/#comment-165479</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t know if we’ve seen enough of Aceves yet, but on paper I agree. It’s just that letting *anyone* from our rotation walk is a little scary considering what we went through this season…&quot;


Yeah, real scary.  It&#039;s not like there&#039;s any other options out there among the other 31 rosters and over 100 free agents in baseball.  The guys in the Yankee rotation were all the best in the business.  That&#039;s why they&#039;re playing golf on Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t know if we’ve seen enough of Aceves yet, but on paper I agree. It’s just that letting *anyone* from our rotation walk is a little scary considering what we went through this season…&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, real scary.  It&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s any other options out there among the other 31 rosters and over 100 free agents in baseball.  The guys in the Yankee rotation were all the best in the business.  That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re playing golf on Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/09/pettitte-shoulder-done-for-the-year-4683/#comment-165476</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes, you can sub in Moose for Pettitte. The more I think about it, with the emergence of Aceves and the option on Pavano, we really only need to retain one of those two between Moose and Pettitte. Not both.


That&#039;s what I&#039;ve been saying all along.  Aceves is ready for the rotation.  And if Hughes can stay healthy, he is too.  And there will be alot of b-level starters out there available who would be better options than Pettitte as well.  This mindset that in all of baseball, the Yankees will never find anyone to take the place of a .500 pitcher with a high ERA is ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, you can sub in Moose for Pettitte. The more I think about it, with the emergence of Aceves and the option on Pavano, we really only need to retain one of those two between Moose and Pettitte. Not both.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been saying all along.  Aceves is ready for the rotation.  And if Hughes can stay healthy, he is too.  And there will be alot of b-level starters out there available who would be better options than Pettitte as well.  This mindset that in all of baseball, the Yankees will never find anyone to take the place of a .500 pitcher with a high ERA is ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/09/pettitte-shoulder-done-for-the-year-4683/#comment-165471</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’d far rather bring back both Moose and Pettitte than bring back one and pick up Pavano’s option.



I&#039;m just not getting this.  The Yankees are on a quest to get younger, and you want them to bring back two guys who will be 41 and 37 respectively?  Were you honestly that impressed with Andy Pettitte this season?  I wasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d far rather bring back both Moose and Pettitte than bring back one and pick up Pavano’s option.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not getting this.  The Yankees are on a quest to get younger, and you want them to bring back two guys who will be 41 and 37 respectively?  Were you honestly that impressed with Andy Pettitte this season?  I wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/09/pettitte-shoulder-done-for-the-year-4683/#comment-165466</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if he wants to come back, it will be for less money. every party involved understands that&quot;


Dude, you&#039;re just not getting this, are you?  It&#039;s not the money the Yankees are paying out that&#039;s the problem.  They can pay Andy Pettitte 30 mill a year and still have lobster dinners every night if they want to!   It&#039;s the fact that if you bring Andy Pettitte back, he takes up a valuable roster spot.   THAT&#039;S why the Yankees are playing golf this October.  Too many over-the-hill guys taking up spots,a nd no roster flexibility.
The Yankees don&#039;t care what they pay people.  The problem is, you can&#039;t buy roster spots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if he wants to come back, it will be for less money. every party involved understands that&#8221;</p>
<p>Dude, you&#8217;re just not getting this, are you?  It&#8217;s not the money the Yankees are paying out that&#8217;s the problem.  They can pay Andy Pettitte 30 mill a year and still have lobster dinners every night if they want to!   It&#8217;s the fact that if you bring Andy Pettitte back, he takes up a valuable roster spot.   THAT&#8217;S why the Yankees are playing golf this October.  Too many over-the-hill guys taking up spots,a nd no roster flexibility.<br />
The Yankees don&#8217;t care what they pay people.  The problem is, you can&#8217;t buy roster spots.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2008/09/pettitte-shoulder-done-for-the-year-4683/#comment-165462</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You know what is a really unsound business decision, Chris? Letting your personal grudges and resentments for a player’s past failures cloud your judgment when deciding on the best course of action for your future.&quot;


Oh, okay.  So when a player doesn&#039;t pitch that well, we shouldn&#039;t allow that to come into play when deciding whether or not to bring him back.  Gotcha.  That&#039;s real good GMing in bizarro world.  At this stage, Pettitte isn&#039;t even better than Alfredo Aceves, so why in the world would you pay him millions of dollars and hand him a roster spot?  Because he&#039;s a good soldier?  C&#039;mon, guy.  This has been the Yankees problem.  They have to stop clogging up roster spots with guys who just don&#039;t have it anymore!  I don&#039;t hate Pettitte.  He&#039;s just not good enough to be in the Yankee rotation next year.  The 5th spot in the rotation should be decided by the bevy of top notch Yankee rookies battling it out.  If you hand that spot to Pettitte, it&#039;s a total waste. 
Can you even remember why Pettitte was here for so long in the first place?  Because he got his shot to succeed, that&#039;s why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You know what is a really unsound business decision, Chris? Letting your personal grudges and resentments for a player’s past failures cloud your judgment when deciding on the best course of action for your future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, okay.  So when a player doesn&#8217;t pitch that well, we shouldn&#8217;t allow that to come into play when deciding whether or not to bring him back.  Gotcha.  That&#8217;s real good GMing in bizarro world.  At this stage, Pettitte isn&#8217;t even better than Alfredo Aceves, so why in the world would you pay him millions of dollars and hand him a roster spot?  Because he&#8217;s a good soldier?  C&#8217;mon, guy.  This has been the Yankees problem.  They have to stop clogging up roster spots with guys who just don&#8217;t have it anymore!  I don&#8217;t hate Pettitte.  He&#8217;s just not good enough to be in the Yankee rotation next year.  The 5th spot in the rotation should be decided by the bevy of top notch Yankee rookies battling it out.  If you hand that spot to Pettitte, it&#8217;s a total waste.<br />
Can you even remember why Pettitte was here for so long in the first place?  Because he got his shot to succeed, that&#8217;s why.</p>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make good points.

I&#039;m just skeptical, is all.  I think Moose is a smart man who, although he likes it here and there&#039;s some mutual loyalty involved, will probably at least see if there&#039;s some sniffs out there on the market.

But Moose doing a one and one here wouldn&#039;t shock me.  Just like Moose doing a three year elsewhere wouldn&#039;t shock me.

I guess I&#039;d call it a 50/50 shot.  You and David have been persuasive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make good points.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just skeptical, is all.  I think Moose is a smart man who, although he likes it here and there&#8217;s some mutual loyalty involved, will probably at least see if there&#8217;s some sniffs out there on the market.</p>
<p>But Moose doing a one and one here wouldn&#8217;t shock me.  Just like Moose doing a three year elsewhere wouldn&#8217;t shock me.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;d call it a 50/50 shot.  You and David have been persuasive.</p>
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		<title>By: steve (different one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve (different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tommie, i usually agree with almost everything you write.  

but in this case, i have to disagree.  i think Moose comes back to the yankees on a 1 year deal (at most 1 + option) without ever testing the market.  

remember the yankees have an exclusive 2 week negotiating window. 

he&#039;s basically already come out and said if he pitches next year, he REALLY wants it to be for the Yankees.   

i really think Moose is a crotchety old bastard who will have little desire to change teams, leagues, etc. if he doesn&#039;t have to.

i say he&#039;ll be back or he&#039;ll retire.

that&#039;s my take.  if i am wrong, i will change my handle to &quot;steve (tommiesmithjohncarlos&#039; bitch)&quot; for a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tommie, i usually agree with almost everything you write.  </p>
<p>but in this case, i have to disagree.  i think Moose comes back to the yankees on a 1 year deal (at most 1 + option) without ever testing the market.  </p>
<p>remember the yankees have an exclusive 2 week negotiating window. </p>
<p>he&#8217;s basically already come out and said if he pitches next year, he REALLY wants it to be for the Yankees.   </p>
<p>i really think Moose is a crotchety old bastard who will have little desire to change teams, leagues, etc. if he doesn&#8217;t have to.</p>
<p>i say he&#8217;ll be back or he&#8217;ll retire.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s my take.  if i am wrong, i will change my handle to &#8220;steve (tommiesmithjohncarlos&#8217; bitch)&#8221; for a week.</p>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GET MICHAEL KAY ON THE PHONE IMMEDIATELY!

Generation J-AY (for &lt;b&gt;J&lt;/b&gt;oba and ipk&lt;b&gt;AY&lt;/b&gt;)
Generation Stay (on regular rest)
Generation Hey (we&#039;re developing our kids)
Generation Way (to stick to a plan)
Generation Gay (as in we&#039;re happy to go with youth)
Miranda Rights</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GET MICHAEL KAY ON THE PHONE IMMEDIATELY!</p>
<p>Generation J-AY (for <b>J</b>oba and ipk<b>AY</b>)<br />
Generation Stay (on regular rest)<br />
Generation Hey (we&#8217;re developing our kids)<br />
Generation Way (to stick to a plan)<br />
Generation Gay (as in we&#8217;re happy to go with youth)<br />
Miranda Rights</p>
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		<title>By: Andy In Sunny Daytona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy In Sunny Daytona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Joba, IPK experiment sounds good.  Keeps both of them on a nice schedule.  They could alternate the starts.  I like that idea a lot.  They would have to have a nickname though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Joba, IPK experiment sounds good.  Keeps both of them on a nice schedule.  They could alternate the starts.  I like that idea a lot.  They would have to have a nickname though.</p>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, perhaps...

And perhaps the Phillies, who are about to win the NL East for the second year in a row (with the dynamite young talent of Howard, Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, Myers, and Lidge) call up Mike after we offer that one-plus-a-mutual-option deal and say, &quot;Mike, we&#039;re prepared to give you 30M guaranteed over the next three years to come help get us over the hump.&quot;

This Stanford grad (who&#039;s smart enough, btw, to know that the game has changed and that he can get into the hall without 300 wins, and who knows that the hall, and not the player, decides what cap he wears) is going to pick two years on a Yankee team in transition over three years on a Phillies team on the rise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, perhaps&#8230;</p>
<p>And perhaps the Phillies, who are about to win the NL East for the second year in a row (with the dynamite young talent of Howard, Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, Myers, and Lidge) call up Mike after we offer that one-plus-a-mutual-option deal and say, &#8220;Mike, we&#8217;re prepared to give you 30M guaranteed over the next three years to come help get us over the hump.&#8221;</p>
<p>This Stanford grad (who&#8217;s smart enough, btw, to know that the game has changed and that he can get into the hall without 300 wins, and who knows that the hall, and not the player, decides what cap he wears) is going to pick two years on a Yankee team in transition over three years on a Phillies team on the rise?</p>
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