Posada set to catch in ’09

Game Thread: AL Central Playoff
My Division Series predictions

When the Yanks lost Jorge Posada to a shoulder injury this year, the team immediately felt the impact of that injury. As the year wore on, a lot of Yankee fans wondered about Posada’s future. Could a 37-year-old catcher with three years left on his deal be expected to catch? Well, the Yankees think so. According to Joe Girardi, the team expects Posada to catch 120 games in 2009, and until we see otherwise, I have no reason to think these expectations unreasonable. Posada may not be the defensive force that is Jose Molina, but the Yanks need his bat in the lineup every day to win.

Game Thread: AL Central Playoff
My Division Series predictions
  • A.D.

    More good news, in fact its been a day of Yankee news that just makes sense and is refreshing to hear

  • Steve H

    When does Joba pipe in with his thoughts on the matter?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Well said.

      For the good of his own health and the team, Posada should only catch the 8th inning in 2009. It’s where his body makeup dictates he should be playing, anyway.

  • AndrewYF

    “You know, I think Posada should be used at first base. Look, we have a hole there and Posada can fill it, especially since he won’t have to throw as much. Look, I just think that Posada can’t handle catching a full season, he’s gonna get hurt.”

    • Barry

      I see cookies in your future.

      • AndrewYF

        Is this a fat joke?

  • Joey H.

    We cant win without Georgeyyyy. Hes our real leader.

  • Barry

    Posada isn’t a stud when it comes to dealing with base runners but hes a pitching whiz kid.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      His offense more than makes up for it though.

      • JT

        I wont speak of his game calling, but he can’t catch nor throw from behind the plate…

    • Nickel

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but if I remember correctly, his last few healthy seasons he was quite adept at throwing runners out, wasn’t he? While it would be reasonable to expect some dropoff in his throwing ability after having shoulder surgery, I have a feeling he’ll hold his own well enough.

      • Jack

        You know, I started researching that info to see how his previous numbers compared to the league average, but B-Ref doesn’t have stolen base %s for catchers.

        • Jack

          Nevermind, calculated it myself.

          This season, basestealers were sucessful in 1317 tries out of 1805, or 27.0%*

          Jorge, in the three years before this (2005-2007), threw out 109 of 365 runners, or 29.9%**

          Conclusion: After taking into account this information, along with his career ops+ of 124** as compared to the average MLB catcher’s 91*** I have come to the startling revelation that Jorge Posada is a pretty damn good catcher. Hopefully that shoulder can be somewhat close to what it was before.

          * http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL_2008.shtml
          ** http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/posadjo01.shtml
          *** http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?lg=ML&team=TOT&year=2008#defp-defp

          • Jack

            This season, basestealers were sucessful in 1317 tries out of 1805, or 27.0%

            Sorry about that. 1317/1805 = 73.0%. That should say that they were thrown out 488/1805 times (27.0%).

          • Nickel

            Wow! Thanks so much for coming up with the figures. I was on B-Ref last night trying to come up with it myself and got too tired and went to sleep. Kudos.

            • steve (different one)

              FYI, espn.com has CS% for catchers on their fielding statistics pages

              • Jack

                Yeah, I saw that. I just wanted to isolate the last three seasons with him, which requires some calculation anyway.

  • Hitman

    The yankees are going to set a record next year for amount of stolen bases given up.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Out of curiosity, Hitman, do you ever like anything this team ever does? Do you wake up every morning constantly waiting for the Yankees to lose, and expect us to make a minimum of 5 bad decisions on the days we don’t play?

      If you read a press release that said that due to turning a huge profit, the team had decided to let everyone come to all the 2009 games at the new stadium for free, would you bitch about the price of the pretzels?

      Try Xanax. Or a hooker.

      • Number 27

        or xanax and a hooker…

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Double your pleasure, double your fun…

      • Hitman

        Sorry if I don’t want to bury my head in the sand along with you. This is what seperates the intelligent fan (me) and the average homer (you).

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Holy shit, you of all people just played the “I’m smarter than you” gambit.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            I know, I was shocked myself.

            Barely a week ago Hitman got utterly housed for saying that Cashman hadn’t done shit in 10 years and that we should let him walk to hire Gene Michael instead (despite, you know, the fact that Michael is Cashman’s mentor and Michael would espouse all the same managerial philosophies)…

            http://riveraveblues.com/2008/09/23/hal-wants-cash-back-4636/#comment-162552

            … not to mention trying to shit on Cashman for not previously trading Alan Horne in the wake of his injury, or harping on Phil Hughes’s velocity fluctuations during his effective start against the Jays, or blah blah blah…

            Look, dude, I’m not calling you an idiot or anything, lord knows you do mix in enough intelligent and inquisitive posts here and there to keep you away from the Lanny Circle or Ridicule, but your hatred of All Things Cashman is intellectually dishonest and willfully pessimistic and ignorant. You’ve made the mental and emotional commitment to yourself to think he’s a dumbass, and hence, you’re incapable of seeing anything he does or any contract or deal that he agreed to as being anything other than a horrid failure, so you relentlessly needle inconsequentialities like Hughes’s fastball speed during an injury plagued season or how poor Posada’s throwing arm is, ignoring the fact that these are both very good players who likely will help us win a lot of games in 2009 (as they would have in 2008, had they been luckier healthwise) and that virtually all of Cashman’s peers would have retained their services just as he did.

            Your ex post facto snipes and whines to attempt to prop up your weak anti-Cashman arguments are simplistic and ineffective, and yet you think I’M the unintelligent one. Sure.

            • steve (different one)

              “smarter than Lanny” is not really something you want to hang your hat on.

            • Hitman

              “your hatred of All Things Cashman is intellectually dishonest and willfully pessimistic and ignorant.”

              Ah yes this coming from someone who taints every argument with bias and fan wanking instead of rationale despite whatever evidence may say to the contrary. Even in your most recent post you continue to make assumptions about players which are not even based on any evidence or facts but just blind optimism. And any opinion which isn’t undeservingly optimistic and in agreement is met with some sort of attack. Which I’ve noticed you do quite often. Hmm. It would seem like you meet the criteria of the unintelligent fan.

        • steve (different one)

          wow, talk about delusional.

        • Yank Crank 20

          Making a random claim about the Yankees giving up an excessive amount of stolen bases with no numbers behind it doesn’t make you an intelligent fan…it makes you an irrational one.

  • Old Ranger

    Jorge is a big step up from Pudge and Moller. My take is; he will play some 1st and DH along with his catching. I can’t see him catching 120 games, not coming off arm surgery and being 38 (2009). 27/09.

    • RustyJohn

      Actually, his being out for most of the year may be a blessing in disguise. One less year to get beat up behind the plate, have the knees wear out and otherwise deteriorate.

      • AndrewYF

        Yeah, the Yankees should also give all their young pitchers Tommy John surgery now, whether they need it or not. It gets it out of the way early, and it reduces wear and tear on their arms. Imagine how good they’ll be in 3 years!

      • Old Ranger

        Good idea, hadn’t thought of it that way…positive take on it, isn’t bad. 27/09

  • ortforshort

    Posada is old and he’s coming off a major injury. Cashman better have a contingency plan behind the plate. I-Rod looked shot last year and Cervelli didn’t play enough last year to convince me his stats were for real. If Posada ends up playing first base or DH, then the Yankees will have a below average first baseman or DH.

  • Steve

    I don’t doubt that Jorge will catch 120 games next year. He had his shoulder operated on a few years back (2003?) and came back strong the next year. Its not like he’s a pitcher.

    • Yank Crank 20

      Yeah, it was after the 2001 World Series that he had his operation…the stud played all of October with a tear in his rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. Gotta love his toughness

  • Yank Crank 20

    I love Jorge, and this year is a perfect example of not knowing what you have until it’s gone. Jorge is so important to this team, and it really makes you think how much we’ll miss Mo when he’s gone…now THAT will suck.

    • steve (different one)

      check out SG’s analysis of “what went wrong” on replacementlevel.com

      Posada’s injury was easily the biggest reason for the Yankees’ season.

      5.5 wins vs. the projection.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        I think that was the exact conclusion I reached two days ago here, no?

        • steve (different one)

          yes.

          yes it was.

  • ko

    A lot of that 5.5 games that the Yankees lost due to Posada’s injury came from the disastrous offense of his replacements – Molina, Moeller and a done I-Rod. I don’t think his offense has any special impact as a first baseman or DH.