2008 Elias Rankings released

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I don’t have a link for you yet, but this year’s Elias rankings are out. Quick rundown of the Yanks: Abreu, Pettitte, Moose & Marte are all Type-A’s, Pudge is a Type-B, and Giambi isn’t anything. Eddie Bajek at Tigers Thoughts had Pudge projected as a borderline Type-A, but alas, he barely missed the cut. Marte’s ranking isn’t worth anything, they’ll almost assuredly pick up his option. All-Star Catcher Jason Varitek is inexcusably a Type-A, somehow ahead of Pudge. Bah.

Update (1:45pm): Farnsworth is neither a Type-A or B. Hah.

Update (3:45pm): ESPN’s Free Agent Tracker has the Elias Rankings. Check them out there.

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  • Ron

    “All-Star Catcher Jason Varitek is inexcusably a Type-A, ”

    Doesn’t that HURT Tek? I mean, who in their right mind would give up a first round pick for him? So now Theo can offer whatever he wants and Tek is more or less forced to take it. No?

    • radnom

      I think Varitek would just accept arbitration.

    • Chris C.

      “I mean, who in their right mind would give up a first round pick for him?”

      Someone will.

  • Chris C.

    Good Lord. They’re gonna pick up Marte’s option, instead of taking a supplimental 1st round pick????

    They have Phil Coke and Edwar Ramirez already, who are both very good against lefties. Marte is expendable, especially for that high a pick.

    “All-Star Catcher Jason Varitek is inexcusably a Type-A, somehow ahead of Pudge. Bah.”

    Neither should be an A. But Varitek is way more valuable. Nevermind that neither can hit a lick anymore. Varitek can call a great game and manage a staff, while nobody on the Tiger or Yankee staff even wanted to pitch to Pudge.
    Varitek still has the most important attribute for a catcher, while IROD doesn’t.
    That’s why he’s worth more.

    • steve (different one)

      Good Lord. They’re gonna pick up Marte’s option, instead of taking a supplimental 1st round pick????

      of course, they could also keep Marte for a year and then take the picks next year.

      it’s not NEARLY the obvious decision you seem to think it is.

      Nevermind that neither can hit a lick anymore. Varitek can call a great game and manage a staff, while nobody on the Tiger or Yankee staff even wanted to pitch to Pudge.

      of course, none of this goes into the Elias formula, so it’s basically irrelevant to the discussion.

      • radnom

        I see we’re both on it today.

      • Chris C.

        So what does into the formula, then. Can’t be actual production, because Varitek would not have rated an A.

        Looks to me like there’s more to it than just a “formula”.

    • radnom

      So many problems with this I don’t know where to begin.

      Lets start with the catchers. The rankings are based on statistics, not on some ability “to manage a staff”. That is not why Varitek is worth a higher pick.

      All you people complaining about how the Yankees had faith in IPK after all he had was one good month now want to just hand the LHR job to Coke? Please.

      You are vastly overestimating a first round pick. There is a <50% chance that pick will ever result in a player as good as Coke is right now. Not to mention that we arn’t forfeiting a pick by picking up the option, but just delaying getting it until next year.

  • kenthadley

    well, we stand to get something for Abreu, Mussina, and a second for Irod….we’ll lose our first if we sign almost any of the one’s we are looking at……bottom line is we wont end up with as many good picks as we had hoped, especially if Abreu or Muss take the arbitration offer (I doubt they would)……so maybe we get the Cole pick, along with one or two other early picks, and maybe one or two seconds……still not bad……maybe 6 or 7 picks in the top 100…….

    • steve (different one)

      yeah, it looks like right now, depending where Abreu signs:

      2 first round picks, 3 sandwich picks, and 1 second round pick.

      not as good as when we thought Pudge was a Type A, but still pretty good.

    • radnom

      You’re assuming Mussina doesn’t retire and doesn’t come back to the Yankees. Two big ifs.

      • whozat

        There’s the cole comp pick, which we can’t lose

        So, 28A, and whatever we get for Abreu in round 1. Two first round picks that can’t be lost, no matter what. There’s also the Bittle pick, right?

      • kenthadley

        well, if Mussina doesn’t retire, he wont come back for one year when he needs 30 wins and he’s coming off of a 20 win season….his bargaining position is reasonably high for a 40 year old, and I think many teams would offer him a minimum of 2 and an option……..Yanks would only offer arbitration IMO, especially if they are signing Andy……if Moose retires, it’s a “Muuse” point……

  • Josh

    How on earth can Giambi not be an A or B?

    • whozat

      Didn’t play much last year, and when he did he was awful.

  • JRVJ

    Personally, I think it’s good that I-Rod is a type B FA, because that makes him more atractive on the FA market (i.e., the chance of him accepting arbitration is very small). So in essence, the Yankees traded 2 months of Farnsworth and about an extra $2MM (I think that was the difference in salaries over 2 months) for 2 months of I-Rod and a 2nd rounder.

    Not bad.

    As to Marte, IMO, the Yanks should try to convince Marte to sign a 2 year deal (2009 and 2010) for (say) $10MM. That would mean he’d be costing the Yanks $4MM in 2010, which is Latroy Hawkins money…..

    Finally, I’m hoping that Mussina comes back (that’s my number one off season wish, followed – of course – by the wish that the Yanks sign Sabathia and Teixeira).

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