Comments on: Adding a cutter to the repertoire can help…

By: Rory

Rory — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:01:38 +0000

I agree with the idea of picking up Pavano’s option. See what we can get in the offseason otherwise, and if we don’t need him, we trade him, paying half his salary. Pavano costs nothing but money, and could have decent value on a no risk contract.

By: Ed

Ed — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:44:26 +0000

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Edinson Volquez wasn’t looking so hot a year ago, but I don’t think you can complain about who he was traded for.

By: Old Ranger

Old Ranger — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:32:24 +0000

It is getting very messy in here. What is the problem with keeping Phil? Cashman has more information on Phils’ ability then any of us, why not let him (and his people) make the right decision. Giving up on Phil is a disaster and will only exacerbate our starting pitcher needs, he will come back in 2009 with more experience and innings…hopefully, better control/command of his pitches. He should be our #3-4 starter; CMW, Joba, Pavano(?), Phil and one of many.
If we can land a very good pitcher on the FA/trade market, so be it. I know Pavano is a hard sell but, he was a good pitcher and showed he still has the knowledge…he will get stronger and better come ST in 2009. He has a buy out for 2009, why buy him out for someone else to use against us…use him.
You’ll think I’m crazy but, just think about it a minute…trading for a pitcher because everyone knows we need one badly, puts us in a hole whereas, if we have our starting five…need I ex-pond more? 27/09.

By: Joop

Joop — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:25:05 +0000

“What am I missing here?”

That list could go on forever with you.

By: tommiesmithjohncarlos

tommiesmithjohncarlos — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:00:23 +0000

Um… EVERYBODY hypes their prospects.

Why the fuck wouldn’t you?

By: steve (different one)

steve (different one) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:57:20 +0000

my comment wasn’t really disagreeing with your point, i was just saying that sometime the yankees hype their prospects for exactly that reason, hype. it helps them complete trades. that doesn’t mean that they privately don’t have those prospects evaluated correctly.

By: tommiesmithjohncarlos

tommiesmithjohncarlos — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:29:56 +0000

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

By: steve (different one)

steve (different one) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:37:00 +0000

you mean 2 guys they thought so highly of that they traded them?

By: radnom

radnom — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:30:18 +0000

“did I miss something”

Obviously.

He had a repetitive stress injury. Meaning it wasn’t like it just cracked all of a sudden but built up over time. I don’t think they ever released how long it was bothering him, but Chasman (or was it Hank?) hinted that it had been a reason for his ineffectiveness.

Lets be conservative though. It definitely affected him his last start. Assuming he had 4-5 starts before that lets say it affected him in half of them (assuming you need at least a week and a half to develop a repetitive stress injury – again being conservative). That means his “long period of shitiness” was 2-3 starts at the absolute most. And his first start was actually decent. But thanks for slinging mud and accusing us of “making excuses”.

Oh, and again, thanks for your expert analysis of pitchfx charts, but I think i’ll stick with the professionals, including rival scouts. Although I’m sure your careful analysis of a 22 year old pitcher who is still developing using a free online tool really really is sold. (*rolls eyes*).

By the way, I hope you realize you are agreeing with someone who just made the most absurd post in the history of this site in the last thread.

By: Steve H

Steve H — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:15:04 +0000

AMEN!!