Oct
14

ALCS Game 4: Rays @ BoSox

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Things aren’t looking so great for Bahston, and the Red Sox propaganda machine is already pumping out the excuses (sorry, subscription req’d). Their problems start right here: Jacoby Ellsbury, David Ortiz, All-Star Catcher Jason Varitek & Jed Lowrie are a combined … wait for it … wait for it … 0 for 40 in the series. Oh for forty. O 4 4T. That’s not gonna get it done.

The Rays, on the other hand, are cruisin’. They’ve put up 18 runs in the past two games, mashin’ seven homers in the process and powering past Lester The Invincible. Tim Wakefield draws the task of trying to stop them, but he had a 5.87 ERA in 3 starts against Tampa this year, and his postseason track record isn’t encouraging: 6.36 ERA in a not small sampling of 69.1 IP. Joe Maddon wants to sweep the leg tonight, adding Fernando Perez’s speed to the lineup against the knuckleballer.

First pitch is set for 8:07, you can catch the game on TBS. If you just can’t get enough Frank Caliendo, check this out.

Tampa Bay
1. Akinori Iwamura, 2B
2. BJ Upton, CF
3. Carlos Pena, 1B
4. Evan Longoria, 3B
5. Carl Crawford, LF
6. Willy Aybar, DH
7. Dioner Navarro, C
8. Fernando Perez, RF
9. Jason Bartlett, SS
- Andy Sonnanstine, P (13-9, 4.38)

Boston
1. JD Drew, RF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
5. Jason Bay, LF
6. Mark Kotsay, 1B
7. Coco Crisp, CF
8. Kevin Cash, C
9. Jed Lowrie, SS
- Tim Wakefield, P (10-11, 4.13)

Categories : Game Threads

281 Comments»

  1. Ben K. says:

    I can’t wait to see Frank Caliendo do two hours of his TBS commercials at Carnegie Hall next month. I guess the man does work outside of October.

  2. Steve says:

    How good would this Rays team be right now if the never gave up on Josh Hamilton?

  3. What? No All-Star Catcher or Alex Cora Wins Games? Come on!1!!11!onehundredeleven!!

  4. Steve says:

    Kim Jones-Gorgeous, oddly hot or a Bull Mastiff impersonating a circus clown?

    I’ll go with ‘oddly hot’ myself, but I’m easy.

  5. E-ROC says:

    The RedSox improved their lineup with the addition of Kevin Cash.

  6. Pedro says:

    Man, great start.

  7. Mike A. says:

    I guess that one didn’t knuckle.

  8. Steve says:

    Wow, that was fast.

  9. E-ROC says:

    I thought trading Manny was suppose to make the RedSox better.

  10. Steve says:

    Geez.

    This is beautiful.

  11. Jamal G. says:

    I come back home and the Rays are up 3-0. Ha!

  12. Ivan says:

    Yes Rays, beat the shit out of wakefield.

  13. Mike A. says:

    Only a double? Crawford sucks.

  14. Mike A. says:

    Masterson? He hasn’t thrown more than 2 innings in like, 4 months.

  15. Pedro says:

    Can Crawford steal home? :D

  16. Steve says:

    I must admit, the small moans bleeding into dead silence as those balls left Fenway gave me a boner.

    Delicious.

  17. Mike Pop says:

    Lol Wow the best bargain in baseball Wake !!!!

  18. Ivan says:

    I just notice they bench Ellsbury. How the hell you bench the best CFer in baseball. Ellsbury is a superstar player no.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Id sure as hell take him over Ichiro or Sizemore if thats what ya mean

      • Steve says:

        Mike, there are some men wearing white coats who will be knocking on your door in a few minutes. Just do whatever they tell you, they are here to help you. Dont try to resist, it will just make things more difficult.

  19. Mike A. says:

    Let’s see how Sonnanstine’s throwing now.

  20. I’m watching House.

    What’s happening?

  21. Mike Pop says:

    Longoria and Upton have been real impressive man but they arent gonna beat the Phillies

  22. Ivan says:

    And to think this team is considered by people a Dynasty that rivals the yanks in the 90′s.

  23. Mike Pop says:

    whats happening with David mr clutch Ortiz ?

    • Steve says:

      Bad wrist, no Manny or the steroid/stimulant ban. Pick one or all of the above.

      • Steve H says:

        I would say the 2nd and 3rd are the most important. He said the other day the wrist was fine, and he likes to use injuries as an excuse. If he had a hangnail we’d know about it, so if he says he’s fine, he’s 100%

  24. UpStateYank says:

    Craig Saager is such a clown…

  25. A.D. says:

    Loved the Red Sox Propaganda Machine is already making excuses

    pure gold

  26. Mike Pop says:

    The media will say the Mike Lowell–less Red Sox woulda won if they had a healthy Mike Lowell, but what can ya do

  27. Jamal G. says:

    I hope Joe Maddon talked to the Rays after their AB in the third inning, that was real weak.

  28. Mike A. says:

    Bah, just eat that one up Evan.

  29. Mike Pop says:

    Thats my Coco

  30. Fortuitious double plays are awesome.

    And no, I can’t spell.

  31. Jamal G. says:

    A black man struggling in Boston as a Red Sox? He better watch his back when he’s in the parking lot.

  32. Mike A. says:

    Coco taking a page out of the Jeter playbook.

  33. Ivan says:

    You know what the Sox need? More gritty players….oh wait.

  34. pat says:

    roy williams to the cowboys that should make things interesting.

  35. Jamal G. says:

    Can you really complain about patience at the plate when you are facing a Knuckleball pitcher?

  36. Jamal G. says:

    Heh, you old fuck.

  37. Mike A. says:

    I hope Crawford moonwalks to third now.

  38. Pedro says:

    This is great.

  39. Mike A. says:

    Batting practice.

  40. Steve says:

    WOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    5-0 BABY!!!

  41. Mike Pop says:

    wow 2 switch hitters both batting right handed

  42. Ivan says:

    There not dead but the Sox are in critical condition.

  43. E-ROC says:

    I kinda feel bad for Wakefield. He is the only tolerable and cool person on the RedSox team.

  44. Pedro says:

    Poor Timmy …. not!

  45. Ben K. says:

    While this is sort of a moot point now that Timmy’s out of the game, I’d just like to say that I’m glad Tampa is stealing off of Wakefield. Joe Torre should take a lesson, hop back in time to 2004 and have the Yanks steal in Game 5. Yes, I’m still bitter.

    • A.D. says:

      if the player has any speed no reason not to send them against Wake

    • Steve says:

      . . . . as we all are. Torre was reading his own press clippings, he didn’t want to have to resort to stuff like that. He was above that sort of thing. You know, things like stealing on Wakefield, dropping a bunt in front of Curt Shilling and his bloody sock, defending your teammates when a pitcher send two of them to a hospital, stuff like that.

      He wanted to lose the Yankee way.

  46. I almost feel bad for Wakefield.

    Almost.

  47. Mike A. says:

    Masterson’s getting the Ohlendorf treatment – miscast as a long reliever.

  48. Jamal G. says:

    Brian McCann or Geovany Soto?

  49. Jamal G. says:

    Kevin Cash? Really?

  50. Mike Pop says:

    Damn Kevin Cash ? lol

  51. Jamal G. says:

    OK, here’s a tough one:

    Daniel Bard or the field?

  52. Ivan says:

    How about

    Cain or Kazmir?

  53. A.D. says:

    Weird Axe ad

  54. Ivan says:

    One more:

    Weathers or Melancon?

  55. Jamal G. says:

    Who do you think has the bigger gap between them and the second best player at their respective positions, Joe Mauer or Alex Rodriguez?

    Who is the second best player at those two positions? Is it still Jorge Posada and Chipper Jones? Or is it Matt Wieters and Evan Longoria?

    P.S. I know some will raise an eyebrow with the fact that I’m putting so much stock into Wieters, seeing as how he didn’t garner a single Plate Appearance above Double-A Bowie, but come on, the dude’s a beast.

    • Mike A. says:

      Probably between Mauer and the #2 catcher (I say McCann). Wright and Longoria aren’t that far behind A-Rod. Mauer’s head and shoulders above everyone at his position.

      • I wouldn’t say that. Certainly Mauer > McCann, but it’s not that big of a lead. Mauer is a good defender while McCann is below average, but offensively McCann is better and more important to his team than Mauer. Without Mauer the Twins have the better hitter in Morneau, as well as Delmon Young (2nd half), Denard Span (fluke? I know, I know…), and the underrated Jason Kubel. Without McCann the Braves have Chipper Jones and Casey Kotchman.

    • Mike Pop says:

      It would have to be McCann and either Evan or David Wright right ? hehe…and there has to be a bigger gap at the 3rd base position cuz A-rod is the best and you would take him over anyone in a heartbeat, while with MAuer and /McCann your happy with either right ? I know MAuer is better but McCann is up there

    • I’d say they’re equal, but the lead isn’t that big.. In three years Longoria will be as good if not better than A-Rod (in three years). The gap is a little snug with Mauer and McCann and R-Mart.

      And also can we chill about Wieters for a sec as well. Dude hasn’t even hit AAA yet. I’d go with McCann and Longoria for 2nd.

    • A.D. says:

      McCann & Aramis Ramirez though with upside its prob Longoria are the next 2 in my mind… I’d take McCann & Arod over Ramirez & Mauer

      • Jamal G. says:

        Aramis Ramirez? Nah, I’d take David Wright as the third best Third Basemen.

        • A.D. says:

          I forgot about Wright when I saw that, I was thinking that Ramirez put up similar OPS numbers as Longoria… I would say, not counting upside, it would be A-Rod, Wright, Longoria, Aramis… and I’d still take McCann & A-Rod over Wright & Mauer…but I can see why people would pick the other way

  56. Jamal G. says:

    Heh, this from a poster at SoSH after the Coco Crisp GIDP:

    Tek can’t hit the ball hard enough to hit in to a DP. Point Tek.

  57. Ivan says:

    Hey I got a football question: Which QB would y’all guys take?

    Eli or Big Ben?

  58. Steve says:

    I wonder what the total playoff experience on the Ray’s roster is.

  59. Jamal G. says:

    I’m only 19-years-old, (so I don’t have a clue) but has there ever been a period in Major League Baseball history where two of its most prolific hitters have been in their prime at the exact same time? If there has been, when do you think was the most recent period?

    Oh, I’m talking about Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols.

    • Mike A. says:

      Barry and Junior in the mid-90′s were better.

    • UWS says:

      Ted Williams and Joe D.?

      I have no idea.

    • Jamal G. says:

      When you think about it, we are probably witnessing two of the greatest hitters in MLB history in their primes. When it all comes down to it, we may be looking at two of the top three leaders in MLB’s career Home Run list. Fucking aye.

      • AndrewYF says:

        What’s missing is the pitching.

        In the 90′s you had Maddux, Pedro, Clemens, Johnson all in their primes. And you could make an argument that all four are in the top ten pitchers of all time. That’s simply mind-boggling.

        This decade has nothing on last decade.

        • Jamal G. says:

          Well, with you acknowledging that era contained some all-time hurlers, don’t you think the point of your statement is more of a polish on that era than it is a knock on this era? You can’t really blame this era for not witnessing pitchers like Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens, those are once-in-a-couple-lifetimes type pitchers.

          Also, Roy Halladay, Johan Santana and Mariano Rivera are plenty to witness.

          • RollingWave says:

            Rivera is more like last era too though , and halladay / Santana really would be doing well if they even match up with last era’s second tier awsomeness pitchers , Moose / Schilling / Smoltz / Brown etc…

  60. Ivan says:

    You know, I really can’t wait for the basketball season.

    I really can’t wait to see Gallinari, Mayo and Oden.

    And of course Kobe and LeBron and Wade.

  61. Mike A. says:

    Man, the Rays catch everything.

  62. E-ROC says:

    Seems like a routine fly ball to me. Why is Caray getting excited? “Look at him glide!”

  63. Ivan says:

    since Mike brought it up,

    Bonds or Griffey?

    To me Bonds, better pure hitter, hit in a much harder park (Candle-stick compare to the king dome) and and to me was the best lefty hitter since Williams or even Musial.

    • But most of Bonds’s most impressive seasons didn’t come in Candlestick, they came in PacBell/SBC, a park they tailormade for his lefty swing.

      Bonds at his peak was better, of course, but Griffey pre-injury was damn, damn close and he was clean (we think). Before Griffey got injured, he was ARod, i.e. unquestionably on the path to being the best ever.

      Also, Griffey defensively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bonds.

  64. Jamal G. says:

    Someone tell Manny Delcarmen that no matter how hard he throws, straight Fastballs get smacked.

  65. Jamal G. says:

    Chip Caray is a bit of a douche, but his change of tones are quite entertaining.

  66. Mike A. says:

    Boy, do they miss Manny or what? Bay’s a nice player, but Manny changes everything.

    • UWS says:

      No no no, you don’t understand. Without Manny they’ll lose, but they’ll lose the right way.

      Yay, Longoria!

      • Steve says:

        They really had no choice. Manny quit on the team, which for me is the worst thing you can ever say about an athlete. Manny’s a great hitter, but a total jerk.

        • Jamal G. says:

          He played in twenty-two of the twenty-four July games. How did he quit on them? He raked in July to the tune of a .347/.473/.587 vital line. He didn’t quit, he just publicly bitched.

        • Steve H says:

          In July, when Ramirez was supposedly “refusing to play,” the Red Sox played 24 games. Ramirez played in 22 of them. This was tied for fourth on the team with J.D. Drew and Jacoby Ellsbury. He was sixth on the team in plate appearances (AB+BB) in July. Not quite Lou Gehrig’s numbers, but he helped out a bit more than David Ortiz (six games), and was in the lineup somewhat more often than peers such as Moises Alou (one game). Oh, he didn’t get three days off in the middle of the month-Ramirez played in the All-Star Game.

          When he played, Ramirez killed the league. He hit .347/.473/.587 in July. His OBP led the team, and his SLG led all Red Sox with at least 25 AB. The Sox, somewhat famously, went 11-13 in July. Lots of people want you to believe that was because Manny Ramirez is a bad guy. I’ll throw out the wildly implausible idea that the Sox went 11-13 because Ortiz played in six games and because veterans Mike Lowell and Jason Varitek has sub-600 OPSs for the month.

          From Joe Sheehan. If that is quitting on their team, please give me a ton of those players.

    • Jamal G. says:

      As much as I would hate the endless stories that would be written if Joe Torre were to win the World Series, I would love to see Manny Ramirez hit four walk-off shots and lead the Dodgers to a title.

  67. Steve says:

    Tough to be gutty and gritty when you cant pitch.

  68. Ivan says:

    You don’t think that Fox are mad that the Phillies are one win away from the WS and the same could be said for TB.

  69. Ivan says:

    Hey Mike, with Jesus Montero, you think he can be Manny Ramirez or at least Miguel Cabrera with the bat?

  70. Ivan says:

    This game is gettin Ugly like Kevin Youkilis.

  71. Mike Pop says:

    This is one of the best games I have ever seen =)

  72. Steve says:

    I never thought I’d get bored watching the Sox get their ass kicked, but its happened.

  73. Jamal G. says:

    I’m enjoying this oh so much.

  74. UWS says:

    Oy vey. I almost feel bad for the Sox.

    Almost.

  75. Mike Pop says:

    this aint a game its a massacre

  76. Mike A. says:

    The Rays are out-hitting them, out-pitching them, out-defending them, out-baserunning them … you name it, they’re beating them that way.

  77. Steve says:

    Can you get WEEI online?

    I want to hear those fans blame everyone from Theo to Mayor Menino. That will be hilarious.

  78. Ivan says:

    I hope the yanks watch this game and learn a thing or two, like the value of defense, young pitching and having athletes on your team.

  79. Jamal G. says:

    You know what’s amusing. Every pro-Red Sox media member you see always say the Red Sox are better for not being their 2004 incarnations. Now, you will see article after article saying how they need to get back to that 2004 form.

  80. Baseballnation says:

    You look at the previous couple of years and it always seems the Rays have given the sawx a punch in the mouth or two and this year has been nothing different. The Rays are the new red sox daddy!

  81. E-ROC says:

    If only Ellsbury was playing….

  82. Ivan says:

    I should expect this, but it’s gonna be annoying hearing how the sox came back from 3-0, and coming back against CLE, and coming back against Oakland in 03 and etc. Your gonna hear that over, and over and over, til it reaches a billion.

  83. E-ROC says:

    Stephen King is alive?

  84. Mike A. says:

    I wonder if we’ll get to see Alex Cora pitch an inning or two.

  85. Jamal G. says:

    Cole Hamles throws 95-MPH?

  86. Is it me or does Chip Caray sound like Joe Buck (in voice)?

  87. kgSturnz0r17 says:

    rays are the new sox, just like teh Giants are the new Pats

  88. flamingoo says:

    I love how Chip has, both last night and tonight talked of the Fenway “Faithful” while they stream out of the stadium. Faithful, eh..? Hmm…

  89. Mike A. says:

    Blast. I was hoping Ortiz would go 0 or ALCS.

  90. Jamal G. says:

    Oh, anybody going to check out 2K Sports’ MLB Front Office Manager? I’ve always wanted to play GM in a baseball game.

    http://www.2ksports.com/news/2ksports/246

  91. Ivan says:

    Boss Man JR. in da mothafuckin house bitches.

  92. JeffG says:

    Look at the Boston faithful piling out of there… nice one.

  93. Jamal G. says:

    Mentioning Mike Timlin in the same breath as Mariano Rivera is the same thing as saying Lucifer was once in Heaven at the same time as God was.

  94. Mike Pop says:

    Yo how many Hrs does A jax project to hit a year in the Majors ? like 15 maybe

  95. Ivan says:

    The Sox look Pathetic.

  96. Jamal G. says:

    Oh my God, Mike Timlin is so fucking horrible. I mean for the love of God, he absolutely, positively blows massive chunks.

  97. Sorry I’m late. This just in: The Red Sox suck balls.

    Sweet Caroline my ass. Can’t wait to see the Rays celebrating in Fenway tomorrow.

  98. Mike Pop says:

    omg Red sox comeback

  99. pat says:

    sox fans online are calling for francona to be fired, maybe he can come coach 3rd for us haha

  100. Mike Pop says:

    cmon Trever stop the mighty sox

  101. Ben C says:

    “That’s why you love a guy like Kevin Youkilis. He never gives up on an at-bat no matter what the score is.” You are an awful awful person TBS announcer.

  102. Mike Pop says:

    God those gritty sox never ever give up

  103. Ben C says:

    my roommate who went to the red sox game just walked in the door (i go to BC)

  104. Mike A. says:

    And the Red Sox’s season will come down too … Daisuke Matsuzaka.

  105. Lanny says:

    The Sox have been this down before and come back. They need a stake in their heart before we all call them dead.

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