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With the Brewers out of the playoffs, the CC Sabathia sweepstakes will begin to heat up. Sabathia is, of course, under contract with the Brewers until after the World Series, and Milwaukee will get first crack at him. While other teams can’t say anything about CC quite yet, the big lefty is free to says as he pleases.

MLB Trade Rumors wraps up the CC Sabathia quotes from Sunday’s post-game interviews. “All those who say I only want to go back to California to play, that’s not true,” Sabathia said.

He also dropped this gem:

I want to get it done pretty quick. I try to be as less free as possible. All that is is stress, having it drag on through the winter. I can guarantee you I won’t be flying around going to different cities. I’ve pretty much been to every city. I’ve got a lot of friends around the league. They’re going to have to come to me.

That we must all take at face value. Sabathia sounds like a man who isn’t set on any one course. He liked pitching in the NL with the Brewers this year but isn’t married to the idea. Again, the Yanks will be willing to be the house on Carsten Charles. He doesn’t cost them anything other than dollars, and the team will have plenty of those for the foreseeable future.

If it comes down to money, I’d bet on Sabathia in the Bronx, and it’s starting to sound like it very well may come down to money.

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Braves interested in the X man?
  • radnom

    Well I think he *had* to say that in order to have any leverage in negotiations this winter. Players will often try go out of their way to get the Yankees involved in bidding, but all CC had to do was say he wasn’t completely against coming to NY and then bingo, he gets the Yankees at least pushing up the bid for an NL team.

    That being said, I think the whole “west coast” preference thing was a little overblown by the media/Yankees fans and I would bet he is here to start next season.
    All I’m saying is that he would say this regardless of whether or not he is interested it coming to New York. It is a smart negotiating move.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      The drum I’ve been beating feels vindicated. It thanks you.

      • JD

        I think I would rather have the Yankees sign Burnett and trade for Peavy to have a rotation of:

        Peavy
        Wang
        Burnett
        Joba
        and either Mussina, Pettitte, or Hughes

        Let CC stay in the NL if he wants.

        Just throwing this out there, Where will Pavano be pitching??LOL.

  • AlexCT

    wouldn’t it also cost the yanks 2 draft picks as CC is type A?

    • steve (different one)

      one draft pick. but it shouldn’t be a concern.

      i love the draft. love getting extra picks. love stocking up on prospects, etc. etc. etc.

      but we are getting carried away.

      Sabathia won the Cy Young in 2007 and if there was a “split league Cy Young”, he’d win it again this year.

      yes, i don’t want the Yankees pissing away their first round draft pick to sign a reliever or something, but for Sabathia, it doesn’t matter.

      the yankees will have a protected first round pick from Cole. they may have another protected first round pick from Abreu. they may get sandwich picks from Abreu, Giambi, and Pudge. they have a protected second round pick from Bittle.

      if there was ever a year to go nuts signing FA and still have a good draft, this is it.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Amen.

        • mustang

          I second that Amen.

      • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

        qft.

      • A.D.

        On top of that we have a first round pick with the Cole non-sign, and likely get picks from Big G, Abreu, and Pudge….so we’ll be able to still have some first & supplemental round picks

    • Slugger27

      its CC Sabathia… who cares????

  • Old Ranger

    If he comes to NYYs, I hope it is a 5 year deal…front loaded. My reaction is very cool to the idea of him in Yanks Pin Stripes…what ever will be, etc. 27/09.

  • X-Man22

    Forget C.C. go for AJ and Lowe(or Garland), and in 2010 go for Lackey(or Peavy via Trade)…and Davish….go for Texin 09

    • steve (different one)

      and what happens if the Angels extend Lackey and Peavey doesn’t get traded?

    • Slugger27

      jon garland blows… id just assume pitch IPK

      • Slugger27

        sorry hit enter… id just assume IPK would be in there before they signed him

  • Doug

    We need CC because he is a 200+ inning Pitcher and you can count on giving your bullpen more rest when he pitches. He is going at least 7 each game.

    Wang, CC, Pettite, Joba, and Hughes is a decent rotation. If Moose wants to come back then you slide Joba to the Pen for one more season.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      There’s no reason to slide Joba to the pen, unless there is something physically wrong with him. I’d rather let Hughes work in AAA.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      “you slide Joba to the pen” = idiocy

    • Chris C.

      “Wang, CC, Pettite, Joba, and Hughes is a decent rotation”

      Okay, I’m having a hard time understanding why Andy Pettitte should be brought back. Help me out here………..I mean, in the entire Yankee minor league system, the other 31 major league teams, and over 100 free agents available, the Yankees can’t do any better than a guy who is 36 years old, just posted a .500 record, a 1.41 WHIP, a 4.54 ERA, and isn’t sure his heart is into coming back anyway?? I don’t believe it.

      If Pettitte is back next year, that means Cashman is just flat-out lazy.

    • JD

      CC would be before Wang in the rotation

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca–Optimist Prime

    I just hope the Yankees don’t do anything foolish.

    Though they should know by now that long term deals for pitchers can have very adverse affects if they don’t work out.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      What’s foolish, though? It’s so tough with CC, because there hasn’t been a pitcher like him on the open market before.

    • radnom

      I think she means foolish years wise. I wouldn’t mind a longer term contract than I’m comfortable with as long as its front loaded. I just hope we are not paying CC 22 million for the 2015 season.

  • kgSturnz0r17

    My logic is that if lackey is made available, that means the angels don’t want him. and if teh angels don’t want him, we probably shouldn’t/wouldn’t sign him.

    Sign Sabathia right away. Pitch him every 4th day during the reg season!
    Bid with Anaheim on Teixeira. if you offer more, chances are you’ll get him. (Boras)
    If you don’t get Tex and Manny isn’t available, back to Bobby? DH/LF

    • JohnnyC

      Agreed. Look at K-Rod this season. The 4+ MPH on his fastball that he’s lost renders him Trevor Hoffman with a better slow-curve…i.e., not irreplaceable.

      • Chris C.

        Do you realize that if K-Rod blew 13 saves this season………he’d still be the All-Time single season saves leader?

        As it is, he blew 7, and recorded 8 saves while pitching under a complete inning. Never threw a single pitch over 1 inning in any outing, and totaled 68 innings for his 69 save opps. He is a middle-of-the-road closer.

        And when he gave up that two run homer to Drew the other night, the announcers acted like we just witnessed a solar eclipse.
        Give me a break with this overhyped clown.

        He can’t even shine Joe Nathan’s cleats, and he thinks he’s Rivera????

  • josh

    cc is the move to make – but they can also get tex and still have reduced payroll a tremendous amount. 10 complete games this year for cc and wang is very economical and goes deep into games as well. with them up frontit makes the bullpens job a whole lot easier. it will also help if hughes and joba need to kep their pitch counts/innings limits down because the pen will be rested from days when cc and wang pitch. To me this is the most clear cut signing the yanks must get done since we got mussina

  • NYFan50

    What radnom said in his first post is right. Regardless of whether or not he truly wants to pitch on the West Coast he HAS to say that is not true. He HAS to try to involve as many teams as possible to get the most leverage in negotations with other teams.

  • josh

    what will it take to get matt kemp? is he a realistic trade option or are the rumors bull shit? also how good do you think he is?

    • Axl

      The Dodgers, whether they like it or not, have 4 outfielders this offseason (assuming they don’t keep Manny). Andruw Jones has been an absolute bust…and Juan Pierre isn’t exactly what they want either. Ethier is decent but he’s the David Ortiz of the Dodgers…watching his stats climb due to hitting in front of Manny Ramirez. Matt Kemp can be had…but it depends on what they will be getting in return. He’s a 5 tool players, steals bases, can play defense, can hit…has some pop.
      The rumor was Cano for Kemp…but I’d take Cano’s offensive potential over Kemps .280 BA, 30 SB, 15 HR I think…
      Plus, playing in NY is a lot different than playing in LA.

      • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

        didnt everything you just said help the argument of why Matt Kemp isnt available? they have Kemp, Jones, Ethier, and Pierre, and Kemp is best one of the bunch?

        i think theyd be wise to resign Manny and just release Jones. Keep Kemp in CF and Ethier in RF. try to trade Pierre and his bloated contract.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        But if they don’t keep Manny, and Jones and Pierre are busts, and Ethier is a mirage inflated by Manny (your words, not mine… i disagree), then it sounds like they have only one outfielder (Kemp), not four, no?

        I’ll bet a dollar Kemp is never on the market at all.

        • ceciguante

          i agree, kemp isn’t going anywhere. torre was gushing about him to broadcasters from the dugout during the game, talking about how well he hits to the opposite field, how he thinks he’ll develop more power, he’s only scratching the surface, etc.

          good luck getting torre (let alone the GM) to give his blessing to a kemp trade.

    • Slugger27

      why does everybody think this is such a good move? in my opinion, its a bad move for both teams… the yanks are looking to upgrade defensively and he is a VERY AVERAGE defensive CF… his plate discipline is nothin to brag about and hes strike out prone… not to mention, the yanks have ZERO 2nd basemen in the minors ready to be brought up and if hudson didnt sign here we would be absolutely screwed

      and even if it were a great fit… why would LA do this? they dont have outfield MLB ready talent in their system

      if u HAVE to get a dodger outfielder… id pair someone with cano ((assuming they even want him)) and try my best to get ethier… to me, hes a far superior option

      is there a link to the kemp/cano rumors?? other than ppl posting on message boards??

  • Axl

    If he signs with the Yankees be prepared for him to have a similar start like he did this past year after he threw nearly 300 innings. This year the Brewers (and Indians) abused him yet again knowing they might not have a chance to keep him.

    And HOPEFULLY he’ll return to form during the year.

    While he CAN pitch over 220 innings a year…the past few years we’ve seen that SINCE he’s been pitching this much during the season…by the time he reaches the post season…he becomes horrible. Whether he’s tired or just can’t perform in the post season…either way it’s not a good thing.

    I’d much rather go for a cheaper Derek Lowe and try for a trade with somebody and sign Teixeira for 1B instead.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      So, rather than give up money for a pitcher who’s really, really good like 90% of the time and pretty average like 10% of the time in CC, you’d rather spend less money for a pitcher who’s merely above average like 50% of the time, average or below average 25% of the time, and horrid 25% of the time in Derek Lowe, and then make up for Lowe’s deficiencies by trading away prospects for some unnamed other starter, even though the market rate (in prospects) for starting pitchers has ballooned to astronomical prices?

      You’re betting on Lowe and doubling down on a trade for a frontline starter. CC’s the much, much safer bet on both counts, even factoring in the miles on his arm over the past two years.

  • nick blasioli

    cc is a great aquisition…he is afterall an ex american league pitcher,,unlike pavano…its a domino effect if the yankees sign him as was stated above,,the bullpen will get more rest when he pitches and that will be great in the long haul…also,, it would be a great xmas present if they also signed tex,,and lowe….it would make for a great season in 09….

    • Axl

      It’s been said that Cashman has about $180M to toy with this off season. Getting Sabathia would eat up at least $120M of it. That leaves $60M for Tex and Lowe? I don’t see that happening unfortunately.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        I think you’re misunderstanding the $180 million. That’s a $180 million payroll. Sabbathia will likely make $20-$22 million per year, which is the appropriate figure to judge.

        • Axl

          Joseph, I thought about that as well…but we had a $209M payroll this year I believe…with Giambi, Pettitte, Mussina, Pavano, and Abreu off the books that’s about 90M approximately coming off….
          They want to shrink payroll…adding DOUBLE the 90M coming off the books would make our 2009 payroll about $300M????

          And if Sabathia is about $20M, Teixeira is about $20M (total of $40M)….who would we get with the other $140M for the year we have to spend (according to your philosophy)??

          • steve (different one)

            he means the TOTAL 2009 payroll target is $180M.

            like you said, about $90M is coming off the books. that leaves a payroll of $120M to start with.

            they can add about $60M in 2009 payroll.

            of that $60M, Sabathia will represent about $20M.

            • Axl

              So what do you think? $20M to Sabathia…$20M to Teixeira…and where does the other $20M go?? There aren’t any good CF’s out there in free agency…I’d like Kemp, McClouth, any of the cheap young guys out there…
              I DO NOT want Orlando Hudson if we trade Cano for Kemp…he’s a carbon copy of Tony Womack…except he’s even injured more.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                Some of the $20 mil will go to raises. Wang is due one, and Cano’s contract calls for an increase. Nady will get some…basically, it will all add up.

                • Chris C.

                  Some of the $20 mil will go to raises. Wang is due one, and Cano’s contract calls for an increase.

                  Anyone have a tissue? I have to wipe the tears out of my eyes from laughter after reading that Cano’s contract calls for an increase next season.

              • A.D.

                Except that Hudson is a gold glove 2b and Womack could never really field… but I agree I don’t want him either.

                The 20M will likely go to filling out the roster, increase in pay for arbitartion, or, into the yankees bank account

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                “I DO NOT want Orlando Hudson if we trade Cano for Kemp…he’s a carbon copy of Tony Womack.”

                Dude, while I agree with you on both fronts (not trading Cano for Kemp and not signing Hudson), let’s not go overboard with the hyperbole. Orlando Hudson is a plus-plus defensive middle infielder who’s OPS+’ed 98, 91, 102, 106, 109 the past five years. Womack is (was) an utterly average defender who eventually had to be hidden in the outfield who only OPS+’ed north of 77 twice (and one of those two campaigns happened in the Clinton administration.)

                I don’t want to move Cano under virtually any circumstance, but adding Hudson, while generally unwise, is far from the worst thing we could do.

                Orlando Hudson >>>>>>>> Tony Womack.

      • josh

        i thought the 180 mil was in reference to the yanks projected payroll hopes in 2009

        • Axl

          Maybe this sounds more like it…although that will make it pretty hard to fill the holes with decent players if that’s the case…

          • A.D.

            The 180 M is the projected 2009 Opening Day payroll hopes, that Buster Olney threw out there. It would essentially be the reduction of contracts of Abreu & Pettite, and with everything coming off the books, means that the Yanks could sign 2 big free agents, and then still have money for arb rasies, and filler players.

  • josh

    burnett is always hurt – do we really want another pavano, kevin brown type contract. i agree his stuff is awesome and he dominates the yanks, but this just feels to me like one of those moves that the yankees have been getting so beat on the last five years or so. we shouldnt keep getting pitchers with question marks who are coming off good years only to hope they can repeat if everything goes right. cc is as sure a bet for 220+ innings, a low era, lots of k’s and a lot of wins as there is in baseball. and he is still pretty young. as for lowe, i guess he would be a good #4 but i would only get him if it were a great deal for the yankees. he really doesnt impress me at all and i dont like getting ex red sox very much (i know it might sound stupid but even wells for clemens made me sick at the time

    • Axl

      If we get Sabathia…how do we fill the OBP losses of Abreu and Giambi??

      We lost Matsui’s and Posada’s good OBP last year and replaced them with bad OBP guys and scored nearly 200 runs less than last year…and their OBP’s aren’t even nearly as good as Abreu’s and Giambi’s…

      Meanwhile, our pitching (strangely enough) allowed about 50 less runs this year than last…

      We still need to address both…but we need to score more runs…and losing out on 2 HUGE OBP guys isn’t going to be good…and if we give Sabathia at least $120M…how can we get any other decent offensive replacements??

      • A.D.

        The drop-off in OBP wont be as big a contrast as it was scrambling mid-season.

        Worse case Miranda replaces Giambi, yes his OBP wont be as good, but it won’t be comparable to Posada Molina drop off.

        For Abreu, essentially either X or Matsui replace Abreu production, which will be nothing like the drop off for Matsui to BG/Sexson/Betemit etc they used.

    • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

      doesnt the fact that he pitched healthy all season this year hurt this “he’s always hurt” argument? i mean, i get what you’re saying, but you cant say he’s hurt all the time anymore.

      i read somewhere over teh weekend on some blog that Al Leiter mentioned Burnett has learned to pitch at least than max effort while maintaining productivity levels, which was the reason for his success and health this year.

      • Axl

        The thing is, the Yankees don’t have a real good (recent) history of good trainers or conditioning programs.

        The past few years we’ve had SEVERAL big names go down with injuries and had to play through them…remarkably making the playoffs with them up until this year (now that the AL East is getting better…).

        So while Burnett could have “found the light”…as soon as he got here…he’d probably pull a hamstring or twist his ankle…

        It’s just how it goes for the Yankees…

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          “The thing is, the Yankees don’t have a real good (recent) history of good trainers or conditioning programs.”

          Oh, come on, dude. Not a good history of good trainers? Gene Monahan has been the head trainer since 1973!

          • Axl

            Who was the guy they fired last year then?!?!?

            • A.D.

              strength and conditioning… doubtful he really did anything wrong, but 3 hammy injuries early… someone has to be a scape goat

      • steve (different one)

        doesnt the fact that he pitched healthy all season this year hurt this “he’s always hurt” argument? i mean, i get what you’re saying, but you cant say he’s hurt all the time anymore.

        no, don’t you get it? Pavano was also healthy the year before he signed with the Yankees.

        therefore Burnett is guaranteed to only make 26 starts over the next 4 years. Burnett = Pavano.

        they both pitched for the Marlins. they are practically the same person.

        • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

          id argue that Burnett actually better than Pavano, and has had much more success at the mlb level.

          he’s had 20+ starts over the last 5 seasons, and 25+ starts in 3 of the last 4. for being “always injured” thats a pretty decent record of making it to the mound.

          • ceciguante

            it’s a pretty poor record of making it to the mound. a healthy starter makes about 32 or 33 starts in a season. 20 starts is equivalent to missing 2+ months of a season. 25 starts is missing about 1+ month. i don’t think your numbers are reassuring at all.

            go for CC, get the real thing. forget burnett and lowe.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          “they both pitched for the Marlins. they are practically the same person.”

          Rearrange the letters in Allan James Burnett and what do you get? Carl Anthony Pavano. Freaky but absolutely true.

          • jsbrendog

            the ouji board told me so!!!!!

      • JohnnyC

        Learned to pitch? Take out his games against the Yankees and his ERA is over 5.00. Maybe he’s learned to pitch…against the Yankees.

        • nyy2709

          maybe, but if you take out his 4 worst starts

          (apr. 8 against oakland: 4.2 inn, 6 earned runs
          june 7 against baltimore: 4.1 inn, 8 earned runs
          june 19 against milwaukee: 5 inn, 8 earned runs
          july 9 against baltimore: 5.1 inn, 7 earned runs)

          then his era is about 2.86 (if i did the math right)

  • JC

    I don’t believe that Cashman is going to enter the realms of chance after seeing what has happened with Phil & Ian this year. Hopefully he’ll personally deliver a blank cheque to CC and throw him in with Wang, Joba, an attractive proposition for Moose, a veteran (possibly Andy though I’d be inclined to look elsewhere) & fill it out with who ever presents best out of spring training (wouldn’t it be great if that was Phil).

    Of course this could all go tits up if Moose wants to depart on a high note but otherwise I’d not only fancy our regular season chances but also the post season depending on decent positional acquisitions.

    All about the pitching Cash

  • X-Man22

    Forget C.C. go for AJ and Lowe(or Garland), and in 2010 go for Lackey(or Peavy via Trade)…and Davish….go for Texin 09

    140mm is very high to 1 pitcher, with 140 we can sign Lowe and AJ…and another thing

    • A.D.

      You can, and together they may be less productive than CC. Look up Lowe’s numbers his last 2 years in Boston and tell me that you want to sign him for 15M a year

  • X-Man22

    Wang,Lowe,Joba,Garland,Hughes,Mussina or Andy,Aceves,Kennedy…..is a nice pitching deep Chart

    • Axl

      Garland sucks…his WHIP was about 1.50 this year. Horrible pick up.
      I’ll agree on Lowe and someone else. Garland is trash…

      • X-Man22

        Lowe and AJ

    • Slugger27

      aside that jon garland blows

    • ceciguante

      that rotation would suck.
      lowe and garland would get lit up like xmas trees.
      the chance of injury for wang and joba is high.
      moose and andy aren’t young. neither is a sure thing for a good 2009.
      aceves and kennedy are pure longshots, more likely to get shelled than not.

  • Slugger27

    i know its off topic but does anyone know if hughes pitches tomorrow? isnt that when azfl starts?

  • A.D.

    My favorite part about the CC quote is “get it done pretty quickly” sign him or not, I don’t feel like watching ridiculous media coverage about where will he go when no one knows

  • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

    As long as we get 2 out of the Big 3 (Manny, Tex, and Sabathia), I’ll be pretty happy as far as our major FA acquisitions go. But I still have doubts whether LA will let Manny get away. I thought less of Tex a few months ago but I think he’ll be crucial as a cornerstone of our infield. If Sabathia does end up on the West Coast (I still think he’ll go West) then it seems like there are some other *decent* options out there via FA.

    • Axl

      I personally want Manny on our team…he really is incredible at hitting…and he has the ability to make other decent hitters look magnificent (Ortiz, Ethier). The only problem is…we’d have a Red Sox outfield of Manny and Damon and possibly another former Red Sox pitcher in Lowe. We’d never hear the end of it. Plus if Manny wouldn’t take $20M per year for 2 years…the Yankees aren’t going to give him more years and more money…that’s foolish. Who knows where he’ll go…

      Both LA teams are notorious for 6 player outfields. So maybe there…especially if Tex goes. The Rangers also love their outfielders…
      Maybe the Phillies?

      • jsbrendog

        everything you have written this whole thread i have disagreed with.

        this takes the stupidity cake though

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          What?

          Signing Manny may take the “putridity” cake, but not the “stupidity” one. Putting emotion aside, signing Manny makes a ton of baseball sense.

          You lost me there.

          • jsbrendog

            i was refferring to his boston piddle about having former red sox in the outfield and “never hearing the end of it”

            • Axl

              jsbrendog,

              I live in Mass…when we got Alan Embree and Mark Bellhorn I never heard the end of it…I can only imagine what it will be like with both Manny and Damon…living in New York I’m sure it won’t effect you nearly as much.

              What else have you disagreed with? I was right about Marte being the weak link in the Marte/Nady deal…

              I’m pretty much always on the money….

              Explain yourself

              • jsbrendog

                marte was not a weak link, gop read the marte thread. if he hand’t been torried by giradi in the beginning he wouldve been solid throughout. and when was mark bellhorn on the yankees?

                derek lowe sucks. look at his numbers his last couple yrs in the al east. theres a reason boston didnt want him./

                just sooo many thing

              • jsbrendog

                the only thing i agree with is that garland is trash

  • mike G.

    CC can’t pitch in the playoff.

    CC should shut the hell up.

  • Axl

    I’d rather have Mark Teixeira than CC Sabathia. We need to fill the OBP void we’re losing. We’d also gain a good switch hitter that we’ve been needing…we’ve had too many lefties the past couple years…

    CC Sabathia is good…but it’s so much harder to tell the health of a pitcher than it is a position player.

    And we can pick Lowe who isn’t bad and usually goes 200 innings a year…and maybe gamble on a Burnett or Sheets…or trade for a Peavy, Oswalt, etc.

    Why not? I mean look at the Mets…they tried to fill their pitching holes with Santana and it meant nothing.

    Pitching is good…but there are a bunch of holes to fill…OBP has been great for the Yankees for a while now…you can’t subtract OBP and gamble that ONE pitcher is going to to be enough to change everything around.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Ugh… so much wrong with this. But…

      Why not? I mean look at the Mets…they tried to fill their pitching holes with Santana and it meant nothing.

      Psst… hey jsbrendog: remember that “takes the stupidity cake” thing? Bingo, THERE it is…

      • jsbrendog

        ok. you win this round tommiesmithjohncarlos! but i’ll be back!

        tangent mets: bullpen dude. pelfry finally grew up and was very good, santana was sanatna and with a servicable bullpen has 4-6 mroe wins, maybe more, maine was injured but is a high ceiling pitcher in the nl and oliver perez, while being erratic and unpredictable, is not a bad pticher in the nl (note to everyone who wants the yankees to sing him, THE NL). put missing pedro for half the year and his issues with his dad in there and then you find out why they lost. THEIR BULLPEN.

        personal opinion. Minaya is a terrible gm and will not win with that team while he is there. i am still flabbergasted at luis castillo for 4 yrs and whatever they overpaid him for. he took a team that had all the peices to win the NL east but only needed an upgrade in the bullpen and maybe another bat and added a starter and the bullpen blew it again. WAY TO GO DUDE! this year they sign an outfielder to replace alou and do nothing with the pen again, watch.

        • Axl

          The point I made was that just getting Santana didn’t do anything. They didn’t fill other holes.

          What part of that didn’t you guys understand?!? Hello?? Is there any end to the barrel of stupid you both drink from?!?

          My point was not to just go after Sabathia and think that’s going to fix everything…like the Mets did with Santana.

          We have a lot of holes…and Sabathia is probably the last hole on the list right now. We let up about 50 fewer runs this year than last…and we had Hughes and Kennedy go lose every game…and we had Ponson and Rasner pitch 200 innings as well.

          You both are quick to disagree but don’t offer any of your own points…

  • Old Ranger

    As to the OBP and RBIs’ we will lose with Jason and Bobby. They would be picked up by Tex and Matsui along with Posada. No need to get all bent out of shape about that…if, we can sign Tex! 27/09.

  • jsbrendog

    SIGN ALVARO ESPINOZA!!!1111!!!!!!1!!!

  • Bo

    When does it not come down to money?

    These guys have a few short years to earn. They should make as much as they can.

    • Chris C.

      “When does it not come down to money?”

      The Yankees have lost out on a ton of players over the past 20 years because it didn’t always come down to money. The most notable being Greg Maddux.

      Not every player out there has a necesary budgett like Alex Rodriquez. Believe it or not, some guys can live the rest of their lives only making a paltry 10 mill a year!

      When a team in an area you want to play in is offering you a 5 year 60 million dollar deal, and the Yankees come along and offer a 5 year, 70 million dollar deal, you’re not really going to the poorhouse by rejecting the Yankees.

  • Malcard89

    Ben, i read the whole article and i disagree with what you took away from it. it sounds to me like CC wants to go wherever he and his family feels comfortable, and that sounds a lot more like california rather than new york. i highly doubt he comes to new york, even if we offer him a contract worth $20 million per year.

  • X-Man

    Sabathia=Big Unit impact on the Yankees clubhouse.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Your mythical insanity knows no bounds.

  • Matt M.

    i think that during the last game of the World Series, Alex Rodriguez will opt out and announce that the yankees are about to sign CC Sabathia (him being opted out makes tampering a moot point). then promptly after the World Series. the yankees will sign Alex Rodriguez and CC Sabathia and they will have a playdate in Scrooge McDuck’s giant gold vault.

  • dkidd

    why make this off-season more complicated than it has to be? it’s simple: sign cc and tex, whatever it takes. who cares if the yankees have the highest payroll or the second highest? how often do players like these become available, at positions where you have a real need? casey kotchman? derek lowe? spare me…

  • dkidd

    “Sabathia=Big Unit impact on the Yankees clubhouse”

    maybe there’s something i don’t know, but cc seems like a great teammate, takes the ball on short rest, plays with emotion, wants to win, etc

    • Chris C.

      maybe there’s something i don’t know, but cc seems like a great teammate, takes the ball on short rest, plays with emotion, wants to win, etc

      ……and has a career 7.92 postseason ERA!
      Let’s not make Sabathia out to be flawless. The Brewers weren’t the only team that improved by that trade……..the Indians did too!
      They had a 13 game swing!

    • X-Man

      yeah but the guy love the west….yeah the money talks, but he don’t like all the press of Ny….he is a chooker, and we are going to have the Higgest pay player and pitcher?