Comments on: In search of under the radar signings http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/ A New York Yankees Blog Sun, 27 May 2012 23:39:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: infernoscurse http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187747 infernoscurse Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:16:27 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187747 i see his point also but relying that our future consisnt in playing posada or matsui at 1b means its a sad future for the yankees i suggest signing Tex with an opt out clause half way, we use his services, if he really wants to stay in NY he stays or he opts out and signs for another bigger contract when hes reached super stardom from hitting in yankee stadium that way you have tex for a couple of years and if he opts out you dont have to commit to an aging contract :P i see his point also but relying that our future consisnt in playing posada or matsui at 1b means its a sad future for the yankees

i suggest signing Tex with an opt out clause half way, we use his services, if he really wants to stay in NY he stays or he opts out and signs for another bigger contract when hes reached super stardom from hitting in yankee stadium that way you have tex for a couple of years and if he opts out you dont have to commit to an aging contract :P

]]> By: infernoscurse http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187736 infernoscurse Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:35:01 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187736 whats funny is that he said that ryan howard isnt worth trading hughes for him as if ryan howard or Teix are inferior to Sean Casey .............. XD whats funny is that he said that ryan howard isnt worth trading hughes for him as if ryan howard or Teix are inferior to Sean Casey

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]]> By: Mike Pop http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187627 Mike Pop Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:26:45 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187627 Ok I see your point but there was no gaurantee he could get more than 140 mill thats a lot to turn down if your a "wherever money is"player Ok I see your point but there was no gaurantee he could get more than 140 mill thats a lot to turn down if your a “wherever money is”player

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187621 tommiesmithjohncarlos Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:19:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187621 Sounds intelligent to me. Sounds intelligent to me.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187619 tommiesmithjohncarlos Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:17:51 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187619 See? It's fun. I knew you'd get the hang of it. See? It’s fun. I knew you’d get the hang of it.

]]> By: Hitman http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187618 Hitman Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:12:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187618 Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia are among the best out of all FA scrapheap pitchers. I'd sign both to minor league deals or something very small. Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia are among the best out of all FA scrapheap pitchers. I’d sign both to minor league deals or something very small.

]]> By: Kevin http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187601 Kevin Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:45:38 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187601 Yea Ortiz, Manny, Schilling, and Beckett all helped win the sox rings but where would they have been in 04 without Dave Roberts. And what about without Varitek. I hate him to death and he is way overrated, but he is the one who has been able to handle their pitchers well. The champion yankees teams had their Jeter, Rivera, Clemens, Cone, Knoblauch, Posada and Williams, but they still couldn't have won without Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez and Scott Brosius. Do you guys understand what I mean? We shouldn't just be putting an all star team together. That doesnt work. Look at the WBC. We all thought the US would win, but Cuba won because their guys play together as a team. Korea, a major underdog, did well because they were a team not a collection of players. I hate to say it, but the 04 red sox won because they were such a tight team they had their stars, but it was how close they were as a team that led them to victory. Same with Rockies pennant run last year. Same with the Phillies this year. why do you all think cash wants to develop the farm so much? players who come up to the bigs together play well together. Veteran consistency is a necessity as well. mix these two together and you can have a championship team. Yea Ortiz, Manny, Schilling, and Beckett all helped win the sox rings but where would they have been in 04 without Dave Roberts. And what about without Varitek. I hate him to death and he is way overrated, but he is the one who has been able to handle their pitchers well. The champion yankees teams had their Jeter, Rivera, Clemens, Cone, Knoblauch, Posada and Williams, but they still couldn’t have won without Paul O’Neill, Tino Martinez and Scott Brosius. Do you guys understand what I mean? We shouldn’t just be putting an all star team together. That doesnt work. Look at the WBC. We all thought the US would win, but Cuba won because their guys play together as a team. Korea, a major underdog, did well because they were a team not a collection of players. I hate to say it, but the 04 red sox won because they were such a tight team they had their stars, but it was how close they were as a team that led them to victory. Same with Rockies pennant run last year. Same with the Phillies this year. why do you all think cash wants to develop the farm so much? players who come up to the bigs together play well together. Veteran consistency is a necessity as well. mix these two together and you can have a championship team.

]]> By: Kevin http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187585 Kevin Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:31:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187585 Tex turned the deal down because he knew he could get more... Look I'm not trying to rag on Tex, I'm just saying that we need more hard nosed, anything to win kind of guys. Yes, it is important to have some guys who are stars, but that is not how you win. You win by having good chemistry and working as a team. I keep hearing that Tex is the "ultimate Boras client." Which means he is going wherever he gets the most money. And as I said above, we need to keep that slot open for our diminishing players. And seriously if we commit long term to him, as well as Jeter and Arod, then we are going to be paying three aging superstar north of 70mm. In a fan's mind Casey is not a better signing, for the next few years he wouldn't be, but eventually injuries and age will start to wear on Tex and we will wish we weren't paying him 25mm. And in 2010 when Jorge won't be able to catch anymore we will wish we hadn't signed him, because now we'll have to put Jorge at DH. Or when Miranda bats .400 in spring training, we're going to wish we had a spot for him, but instead we're going to have Tex there. Who knows whether Miranda will break out or Jorge will need to take a break from catching, I'm just saying that having Teixiera on a long term contract is not the greatest idea. I mean who isn't sick of listening to other fans tell us that the Yankees always buy their players. I am. I would not sign him purely to shut up other fans. Tex is a great player, but do you seriously want to commit 55mm to your two corner IF spots for the next 8 years? O, and I think I was misunderstood on the Fogg, Livan, and Jennings thing. I was talking about guys that could be bargains, under the radar signings, I wasn't saying their my first choices. I would love to have Sabathia who is young and would be a great ace. He also works really hard and seems to love what he is doing. After him I don't love a lot of the other popular free agents. Burnett isn't even that good, not to mention he is a walking injury. Sheets is an injury risk as well. Lowe will want too many years. Garland's era is too high. Moose and Pettitte could be welcomed back, but who knows whether you'll get the 07 Moose or the 08 Moose, and Pettitte is getting old so he's no sure thing either. The fact that the high ranked starters aren't exactly what we need, and are going to require serious financial commitments brings up the idea of signing a back end of the rotation kind of guy. If the rotation next year could be Sabathia, Wang, Joba, and then two of Kennedy, Aceves, Hughes, Horne, Sanchez, Coke, Fogg, Livan, Jennings, or Prior, I'd be happy. I mean we had sir sidney for most of this year, we just had him to eat innings and give us some chance to win. We should have another guy like that as insurance in case we need it. Injuries are inevitable, and if we have someone that even has an era just under 5 we can have a chance to stay in the game. You might be thinking, well have kennedy and hughes do that, I would, but with young guys there are inning limits, and you don't want to throw out their arms, dont want to hamper their confidence, you just have to let them work their way to the top, so have some vets eat up inning for you. Hell 3mm for those guys and then add incentives, that isn't a bad investment. I mean Fogg doesn't have to be your ace, he should just be there as insurance and to add innings. Tex turned the deal down because he knew he could get more… Look I’m not trying to rag on Tex, I’m just saying that we need more hard nosed, anything to win kind of guys. Yes, it is important to have some guys who are stars, but that is not how you win. You win by having good chemistry and working as a team. I keep hearing that Tex is the “ultimate Boras client.” Which means he is going wherever he gets the most money. And as I said above, we need to keep that slot open for our diminishing players. And seriously if we commit long term to him, as well as Jeter and Arod, then we are going to be paying three aging superstar north of 70mm. In a fan’s mind Casey is not a better signing, for the next few years he wouldn’t be, but eventually injuries and age will start to wear on Tex and we will wish we weren’t paying him 25mm. And in 2010 when Jorge won’t be able to catch anymore we will wish we hadn’t signed him, because now we’ll have to put Jorge at DH. Or when Miranda bats .400 in spring training, we’re going to wish we had a spot for him, but instead we’re going to have Tex there. Who knows whether Miranda will break out or Jorge will need to take a break from catching, I’m just saying that having Teixiera on a long term contract is not the greatest idea. I mean who isn’t sick of listening to other fans tell us that the Yankees always buy their players. I am. I would not sign him purely to shut up other fans. Tex is a great player, but do you seriously want to commit 55mm to your two corner IF spots for the next 8 years? O, and I think I was misunderstood on the Fogg, Livan, and Jennings thing. I was talking about guys that could be bargains, under the radar signings, I wasn’t saying their my first choices. I would love to have Sabathia who is young and would be a great ace. He also works really hard and seems to love what he is doing. After him I don’t love a lot of the other popular free agents. Burnett isn’t even that good, not to mention he is a walking injury. Sheets is an injury risk as well. Lowe will want too many years. Garland’s era is too high. Moose and Pettitte could be welcomed back, but who knows whether you’ll get the 07 Moose or the 08 Moose, and Pettitte is getting old so he’s no sure thing either. The fact that the high ranked starters aren’t exactly what we need, and are going to require serious financial commitments brings up the idea of signing a back end of the rotation kind of guy. If the rotation next year could be Sabathia, Wang, Joba, and then two of Kennedy, Aceves, Hughes, Horne, Sanchez, Coke, Fogg, Livan, Jennings, or Prior, I’d be happy. I mean we had sir sidney for most of this year, we just had him to eat innings and give us some chance to win. We should have another guy like that as insurance in case we need it. Injuries are inevitable, and if we have someone that even has an era just under 5 we can have a chance to stay in the game. You might be thinking, well have kennedy and hughes do that, I would, but with young guys there are inning limits, and you don’t want to throw out their arms, dont want to hamper their confidence, you just have to let them work their way to the top, so have some vets eat up inning for you. Hell 3mm for those guys and then add incentives, that isn’t a bad investment. I mean Fogg doesn’t have to be your ace, he should just be there as insurance and to add innings.

]]> By: Mike Pop http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187532 Mike Pop Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:45:37 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187532 Kevin.....How do you know he plays for the money and not the love of the game ? Of course he wants money but who doesnt. LEt me remind you he turned down an 8 yr 140 million dollar deal from Texas. He turend down 17.5 mill a year but your telling me he only cares bout money ? No matter how you look at it Casey is not a better signing then Tex regardless. Maybe Tex turned down that deal becasue he wants a chance to win because he doesnt like losing ? Maybe he declined it because he wanted to get more idk ? But if you are just playing for the money you dont turn down that kind of money. He obviously wants a chance to win or else he woulda signed that HUGE deal with Texas. He took the risk of injury and all that lol he took a 140 mill risk.. This dude loves the game thats why he keeps himself in greeat shape and he is such a good ballplayer... This is the dude Hank Hal and Cash should bring to the Bronx Kevin…..How do you know he plays for the money and not the love of the game ? Of course he wants money but who doesnt. LEt me remind you he turned down an 8 yr 140 million dollar deal from Texas. He turend down 17.5 mill a year but your telling me he only cares bout money ? No matter how you look at it Casey is not a better signing then Tex regardless. Maybe Tex turned down that deal becasue he wants a chance to win because he doesnt like losing ? Maybe he declined it because he wanted to get more idk ? But if you are just playing for the money you dont turn down that kind of money. He obviously wants a chance to win or else he woulda signed that HUGE deal with Texas. He took the risk of injury and all that lol he took a 140 mill risk.. This dude loves the game thats why he keeps himself in greeat shape and he is such a good ballplayer… This is the dude Hank Hal and Cash should bring to the Bronx

]]> By: Brad K http://riveraveblues.com/2008/10/in-search-of-under-the-radar-signings-5314/#comment-187525 Brad K Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:33:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5314#comment-187525 Sad? Hardly. In fact if all I do today is bring a little bit of sunshine into your otherwise dark and dank life, I would consider it a happy day. I didn't say you didn't contribute. Where would RAB be without your snarky remarks? P.S. Brad K isn't really my name. I'm actually a secret agent working for a mysterious government agency. I could tell you my real name....but then I would have to kill you. Sad? Hardly. In fact if all I do today is bring a little bit of sunshine into your otherwise dark and dank life, I would consider it a happy day.

I didn’t say you didn’t contribute. Where would RAB be without your snarky remarks?

P.S. Brad K isn’t really my name. I’m actually a secret agent working for a mysterious government agency. I could tell you my real name….but then I would have to kill you.

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