McCarver bashes Manny for Boston departure

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On the eve of the NLCS between the Philadelphia Phillies and Los Angeles Dodgers, FOX broadcaster extraordinaire Tim McCarver ripped into Manny Ramirez. Said the former player, “Some of the things he did were simply despicable, despicable – like not playing, refusing to play. Forgetting what knee to limp on. And now it’s washed, it’s gone.”

Update: Joe Sheehan takes McCarver to task for these comments. While McCarver is certainly free to hold his opinions on Ramirez, some of the facts he asserts in the Inquirer interview are flat-out wrong.

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  • Adam B.

    And then was ripped by Joe Sheehan: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1052

    • radnom

      This is one comment you can’t refute the way Sheehan tried to, with numbers.
      We all know how great Manny is. We all know he started getting hot before the trade happened.

      The thing you can’t refute is that not a single Red Sox player stepped up and showed any interest in keeping Manny on the team, and if you believe Shilling, they actually all lobbied for him to go. If anything, Sheehan’s argument makes Manny’s attitude/actions this year that much MORE “despicable”, by showing just how valuable he was that month, and yet he was still unwelcome.

      Obviously the Sox players are interested in winning, and as Sheehan argues conclusively Manny was perhaps the most valuable piece they had at the time.
      And they still wanted him gone.
      Something to think about for all you people out there advocating the Yankees sign him.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        A big-mouth bigot (Curt Schilling) goes on the radio (WEEI) with two other big-mouth bigots (Gerry Callahan and John Dennis), spews negative “details” about one of the most disliked players in that whole city, and we are supposed to take his word as gospel?

        Trust me, if the owners were split on the decision whether to send Manny Ramirez packing, then the clubhouse was not unanimously for that decision.

        • radnom

          No, I definitely hear you there. I was referring more to a blog post of his where he discussed a team meeting on the matter. Why he would comment on that, or why he has to stick his nose in when he isn’t even on the team this year is beyond me.

          My only point is that not a peep came out in support of Manny. If it was there, then the Sox are masters of keeping information in house.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            “If it was there, then the Sox are masters of keeping information in house.”

            I think you just answered your own question.

            • radnom

              Occam’s razor man. I think the decent must have been minimal. There was no cover up. The truth isn’t out there.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                You have a point (and thanks for someone finally using Ockham’s Razor the right way), but there is an oft-repeated and well known sports media axiom that the Red Sox have a virtual lockdown on the Boston Sports Media Market. Tons of reporters and journalists have mentioned it (including the ubiquitious Bill Simmons). The Sox ensure that Sox friendly stories get written and said, and most anti-Sox stories are minimized or supressed. Not along some CIA type stuff or anything, just that unlike the NY dailies, who love to hire Yankee-bashers, most anti-Sox columnists/reporters just don’t get hired or promoted in the first place.

                And then, of course, there’s ESPN, which we all know about.

                I just have the sense that while Manny is a quirky, oblivious, detached jerk who often thinks only of himself and is primarily to blame for the Mannygate saga, the Red Sox organization probably contributed a lot towards the bad blood that built up and we never really heard about it, because it didn’t fit with the Pro-Team Anti-Manny agenda the Sox were hell-bent on pushing to justify their trade.

                Perhaps Whitey could chime in on this… in fact, I’d really love to hear about the Manny story from an intelligent Sox fan’s perspective.

                • radnom

                  Havn’t seen Whitey around here in a while, now that I think about it.

                  I’ve actually been going to school in Boston for the last few years, and you are 100% correct about the difference between how the teams are covered in the daily papers. I guess I hadn’t really thought about it, since I tend to follow sports via the internet, and just chalked it up to the difference in qualities of the papers. (The Post especially is all kinds of ridiculous not really found anywhere else. They actually sell the Post and the News in all stores up here, and I forget which one it was, but there was a big front page picture the other day of Tony Romo and a headline about the Cowboy’s being involved in voting fraud for Obama? lol You would never see that in the Globe.)

                  Its true that you never see an anti-Sox column like you would in a NY paper about the Yanks, but there’s a lot more of “oh no the sky is falling” but I guess that’s you typical Boston mentality.

                  And, yes, I agree that the Sox organization is a lot to blame for the tensions that eventually boiled over, but in my mind the tipping point that caused this whole incident was the contract situation. If Manny hadn’t forced their hand the Sox would’ve still loved to have him, and as a baseball fan I can’t in good conscience side with Manny for that.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  Haven’t seen Whitey around here in a while, now that I think about it.

                  Maybe Larry Lucchino had his legs broken for coming on here and talking to us…

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  Bill Simmons wrote a big article about Manny, he made a lot of good points defending him. He actually ripped Theo Epstein a few times for being a Diva when he “resigned” after the 2005 season. (or 2004, whatever).
                  The best thing that Simmons asked was how many times that the Red Sox actaully suspended Manny for his “Manny being Manny” behavior, and of course, the answer has zero.
                  I’m glad that they let him go. Now, hopefully, we sign him and he can help destroy the “Nation”.
                  The Red Sox are quickly “white-washing” their organization, and it’s hust a matter of time before they kick Ortiz out on his ass.

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  -was zero-.

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  I really am a terrible spellchecker.

                • mac

                  “He actually ripped Theo Epstein a few times for being a Diva when he “resigned” after the 2005 season. (or 2004, whatever).”

                  Epstein didn’t resign. His contract was up. Manny was still under contract. You might want to get your fact straight before opening your mouth.

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  Actually I typed it. So….

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  …..I wanted to be nice, but I COULD GIVE 2 FUCKS ABOUT THE RED SOX!

              • Chris

                Wasn’t Ponson a clubhouse cancer in Texas? He came over here and there wasn’t a peep about his issues (on the field, that’s a different story).

                Even if there was no dissent, it’s not as simple as saying that it’s all Manny’s fault. There is some responsibility from management to address the issue properly, and I don’t think they did that in this case.

                • jsbrendog

                  that’s because when he came back moose won 10 games and got ice cream back int he clubhouse.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  ICE CREAM ICE CREAM YAAAAAY!

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

    McCarver’s just pissed he didn’t think of Manny’s act first.

    The funny thing is, even if McCarver’s right that Manny’s antics were lowbrow and insulting to the game, I still respect Manny as a player because he’s really good.

    I don’t respect McCarver as a broadcaster, because he blows chunks.

    Manny being a douche in Boston to weasel his way out of a contractual obligation > Tim McCarver speaking on anything, anywhere, anytime.

    • Bo

      He’s an analyst. Isn’t he supposed to speak out on anything, anytime, anywhere???

      • radnom

        Yeah, but hes also supposed to be good at it.

  • 1996 Yankee Alumni Society

    Amen. I’m surprised McCarver would take any former or current Boston player to task – since as a supposedly non-biased national network sports broadcaster he blows smoke about the greatness of the Red Sox organization so often (has your letter writing campaign to put David Ortiz in the HOF begun yet Tim?). Manny can certainly be an “idiot” on occasion but we should be spared the moral outrage from Tim. @ 23 games played in a Red Sox uniform over 30 years ago and McCarver’s commentary during any of their games on Fox makes even Ken Harrelson seem like an even-handed announcer.

  • Joey H.

    Sounds like timmy and Michael Kay are sitting next to eachother in the same pub lmao

  • Brad K

    Anything out of McCarvers mouth instantly loses credibility. No matter what the deal is with Manny, McCarver is much worse for the game as a whole. People actually listen to McCarver.

    • Count Zero

      Amen. McCarver may be slightly smarter than Morgan — but he’s more dangerous precisely because of that.

  • jsbrendog

    imagine with me for a second if any of us who post here had the ability to make our comments on how we feel published via the media. that would be an absolute mess and so entertaining at the same time

    • 1996 Yankee Alumni Society

      very true. of course the amazing thing re: McCarver as well as Morgan is how
      they sound elated if the Red Sox are winning the games they announce
      (and sound like they are covering a funeral if the Yanks hit a HR or are winning).

  • ortforshort

    I never thought that I could root for Boggs, Clemens and Damon, but I did. It seems hard to believe that I could root for a low life slug like Ramirez, but, if he becomes a Yankee, we’ll see.