NLCS Game 3: Phillies @ Dodgers

An early look at the 2009 AAA rotation
There's no crying tying in baseball!!!

Back home in Chavez Ravine, Joe Torre and his boys are staring down what amounts to a must win, a pivotal Game 3 against the Phightin’ Phils. A win by dem bums makes the series far more interesting, but a loss renders the series even less interesting than any of the Division Series.

Torre’s been here before though. He managed the 1996 Yanks to a World Series title after being behind the Braves 2-0 in the Fall Classic, and again led his team to the World Championship after falling behind the A’s 2-0 in the 2000 ALDS. He knows this series is far from over, but does his team?

The home team has won every game between these two teams this year, which bodes well for the boys in blue.

Philadelphia
1. Jimmy Rollins, SS
2. Shane Victorino, CF
3. Chase Utley, 2B
4. Ryan Howard, 1B
5. Pat Burrell, LF
6. Jayson Werth, RF
7. Pedro Feliz, 3B
8. Carlos Ruiz, C
9. Jamie Moyer, P (16-7, 3.71) – take a look at the first Dodgers’ lineup he ever faced

Los Angeles
1. Rafael Furcal, SS
2. Andre Ethier, RF
3. Manny Ramirez, LF
4. Russ Martin, C
5. Nomar Garciaparra, 1B – ZOMG TEH LEFTIE!!11!
6. Casey Blake, 3B
7. Matt Kemp, CF
8. Blake DeWitt, 2B
9. Hiroki Kuroda, P (9-10, 3.73)

FOX has the game tonight, so no The Simpsons, King of the Hill, Family Guy, or American Dad. This game better be good. First pitch isn’t until 8:22, so feel free to use this thread to talk about today’s gridiron action. How about the  end of that Cowboys-Cards game?

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An early look at the 2009 AAA rotation
There's no crying tying in baseball!!!
  • Ivan

    Bad loss for the Redskins losing to the Rams at home.

    And yo, whats up with all these late game wins with FG’s.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      LoL @ Da Bears.

      Can we please stop with the Dallas love-fest now? Jesus.

      • Ivan

        Their secondary especially with no Newman, is average at best, and they are getting killed by the passing game when they throwing it down the field.

        They are still good but they can be thrown upon with ease at times.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Wow, a lineup rundown that was actually entertaining.

  • Steve

    “Josh Beckett appears to be progressing toward full health, but team sources confirmed that the Red Sox pitcher required an injection of a painkiller and anti-inflammatory medication after injuring his right oblique during a bullpen session at Fenway Park on the final weekend of the regular season. Though Sox officials downplayed the severity of Beckett’s injury at the time, the fact that he had an injection suggests the ailment was more severe. Beckett has spoken little about his health since the problem, but he looked nothing like himself in a 106-pitch, five-inning stint during Game 3 of the Division Series against the Angels.”

    http://www.fannation.com/truth.....view/73512

    Has anyone ever heard of getting a cortisone shot for an oblique injury? I haven’t.

    Elbows and (especially) shoulders, yes. Obliques? No.

    • Steve H

      Go back to the Game 2 thread, and I guaranteed they’d come up with an injury excuse for “the greatest playoff pitcher of all time”. And of course the morons at ESPN will take it and run with it. The grit he showed to battle thru and pitch was amazing.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Anyone surprised this information is coming out afterward?

      Boston propaganda FTW.

  • Ivan

    And what a win by the Cardnals. Wow, just wow.

  • Cowboys Suck

    the name says it all…Cowboys suck!!!

  • BUCK FOSTON

    yeah next it’ll be the bloody jersey from his injection sight…too bad Ellsbury didn’t eat that ball on his failed bunt attempt last night…GO DODGERS!!!

  • Steve

    BTW- The Boston beat writers asked Francona if he was going to apologize (ala Girardi) for misleading them about the severity of Beckett’s injury. He told them all to go fuck themselves in the ass.

  • Steve

    Anyone else remember what was the injury that almost nixed the Beckett-Boston deal back in 04? He was traded, it was a done deal, and then some in the Boston front office wanted to nix the trade because they found something in his physical they didn’t like.

    I want to say shoulder, specifically labrum. But I’m not sure.

  • Ivan

    Dodger fans, that’s what happens when Torre is ya manager, your team can’t retaliate under any circumstances.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      I’ve always thought people took that retaliation stuff to seriously, but when a guy’s helmet gets knocked off, there’s nothing else you can do but retaliate.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Charlie Manuel, why are you running with Ryan Howard at the plate?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Who the hell is Mary Hart?

    • Ivan

      I was saying that myself.

    • Steve H

      Wasn’t she the one that gave Kramer seizures?

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Entertainment Tonight?

  • Ivan

    Bang, Bang, Bang, 1-0 Dodgers. Boy that was quick.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Moyer’s given up 3 hits and run in his first 5 pitches.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Oh knock it off Russ, that pitch was going like, 55.

  • Ivan

    That’s amazing that a guy who has won 246 wins and won 20 games twice, got release 4 times in his career.

    • Steve H

      Be pretty interesting if he sticks around until he gets 300 wins. Hall of Famer? I’d say no, but 300 game winners will be few and far between going forward.

      • Ivan

        The only way he gets a sniff of the HOF is the achievement of 300 wins, and even that might not help him.

        • Steve H

          Or if someone buys him a ticket.

      • E-ROC

        In an age where the steroids scandal is still fresh in people’s minds, I don’t think Moyer has to get to 300 wins to get in the HOF. There are no question marks about him and he’s done it with stuff people wouldn’t call electric.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          There are no question marks about him and he’s done it with stuff people wouldn’t call electric.

          Done what, though? Guy’s got a 106 career ERA+ with a 4.19 career ERA. I don’t think he did steroids and I think he’s had a very nice career, but I still don’t think he has a shot at the HOF (nor do I think he should).

          • E-ROC

            I know his numbers suggest he shouldn’t be anywhere close to Cooperstown. I was just saying that the criteria may have change because of the steroids scandal.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              I agree that the criteria may shift a bit when analyzing players of the “steroid era.” But they haven’t shifted nearly enough for Jamie Moyer to get into the HOF.

              • E-ROC

                Point taken.

        • Steve H

          But he’s also a 1 time All-Star and has only finished in the top 10 in the Cy voting 3 times, none in the top 3. He’s been an above average pitcher for a long time, not sure if that deserves a spot in Cooperstown.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          If Jamie Moyer gets into the Hall of Fame, they might as well just start letting everyone in.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            …they might as well just start letting everyone in.

            Ben K. gets my vote. Sorry Mike.

    • Steve

      246 wins, and has pitched for 22 years.

      A little quick math and that comes out to 11 wins per year.

      I wouldnt let him in the HOF even if he DID win 300 games. If it takes you close to 30 years in the bigs, its just not as impressive.

  • Ivan

    The blazing 80 MPH Fastball.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He’ll obviously never be able to succeed in the big leagues.

  • UWS

    Jamie Moyer needs to learn how to pitch like Mike Mussina.

    Obviously.

  • Ivan

    If Im Kemp, 3-2 count, gotta sit change up no?

    • Ivan

      Then again, he gets smoked with the FB. Wow Moyer throwing gas.

  • Ivan

    Fun fact: Jaime Moyer is the son in Law of College basketball anaylist Digger Phelps.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He’s also got like, eight kids, one of whom he adopted from Africa or something.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    UUUUUUUGE hit by DeWitt.

  • UWS

    Damn, what a start for the Dodgers. Grumble.

    • whozat

      Clearly, all the credit goes to Joe Torre. He kept them believing that they could hit 84MPH fastballs.

      • Steve

        Of course. Joe’s calm demeanor is the reason why they’re hitting so well tonight.

        Because when a guy is in the batter’s box, and the pitcher lauches the ball to the plate, the first thought that goes through a hitters mind is “How does Joe Torre FEEL about this game?”

  • Ivan

    Well the game is far from over and it’s not like Kuroda is Joba Chamberlain.

  • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    I’ve always really liked Rafael Furcal. Too bad the Yanks have never had the need nor the opportunity to go get him.

    • Steve

      Did you like him last year when he had a .688 OPS and scored only 87 runs?

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Didn’t realize good players don’t get hurt and have off-years, thanks for setting me straight. I’m not saying the guy is Albert Pujols, just saying I’ve always liked his speed/pop combo.

        • Steve

          Geez, aint you the sensitive type. I just asked a simple teensy weensy little question.

          He’s a good player. I like him, but never loved him. A bit of a tweener. Not much pop and doesn’t get on base a lot or steal a ton of bases. When he won ROY I thought he was only going to get better, but he actually regressed in some areas. OBP, especially.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            No big arguments from me. You like him, I really like him. Someday, we’ll achieve some resolution of this eternal struggle, by the grace of God.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Someday, we’ll achieve some resolution of this eternal struggle, by the grace of God Mo.

              Fixed that for you.

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                I should have my RAB commenting privileges revoked for that, my bad.

  • Joey H.

    The guns are definately juiced. moyer was clocked at 83

    • Steve

      You get a more accurate reading with Moyer if you use a sundial.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Who’s the Phils’ 5th starter? Kendrick? Yikes. I wouldn’t feel comfortable bringing him in to hold the Dodgers down and keep the Phils in the game.

    • Ivan

      The way Kendrick pitch, the Phillies might wanna trade him to japan on purpose.

  • RichYF

    Just turned the game on, where the hell is Moyer? I was looking forward to seeing his HoF stuff after reading the comments.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yeah, Moyer’s had better nights.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I wonder if Tim McCarver realizes that the game has changed since he played in the 1930’s.

    • Steve

      Seriously, in the past 5 years he’s aged like a porn star. In 2003 he looked about 50-ish, and for the past 2 post seasons he looks like a feeble 75 year old man.

  • Ivan

    If one of the players do get hit by pitch again, they should do this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78wwGbijFXw

    • 27 this year

      gotta love the kick to the catcher and the way he stood up when like six guys surrounded him. By far though, kicking the catcher that way was funny. Just like knocked him out and ran toward the pitcher. Nice clip.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Someone get Farnsworth on the phone.

  • UWS

    Boo for baseball non-fights!

    • Steve

      Fuck you!

      I never liked your posts you bastard!

      • Steve

        Isn’t someone going to break this up?

        Please pretty please?

        • UWS

          Oh yeah?! Well, you’re lucky you’re hiding behind a computer screen, you son of a female dog! Or I’d mess up that pretty face of yours right up!!!

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Children, just stay in your mothers’ basements and nobody will get hurt.

          • Steve

            HOLD ME BACK! SOMEBODY, HOLD ME BACK BEFORE I DO SOMETHIN CRAZY!!

  • Ivan

    The way the game is going, im really ticked that Family Guy isn’t on

  • Steve

    Baseball fights are generally pretty tame. Once in a blue moon you get a good one. Though not as weak as NBA fights. Hockey fights are by FAR the best. Football fights are typically a bit of shoving that gets broken up quickly.

    I’d go
    1-Hockey
    2-Baseball
    3-Football
    4-NBA a distant last

    • Ivan

      I disagree, basketball fights can be damn good when it gets crackin.

      Mines are

      Hockey (really no arguement)
      Baseball
      Basketball (to me it’s sorta even)
      Football

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
        • Ivan

          While I Barely watch a minute of Hockey in my lifetime, it’s quite amazing that only in Hockey where they just let them fight one on one straight up.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Watching a Maple Leaf get pummeled is always nice on a Sunday evening. Especially Darcy Tucker.

      • Ivan

        I will say this, I think baseball has the worst fighters, and basketball have the best fighters in my opinion.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          I’d like to put Ivan’s statement to a vote: Do you think baseball or basketball has better fights?

          I vote baseball. Basketball players slap and run around but rarely ever really land any shots and get into it.

          • Steve H

            Baseball, they land punches regularly. Rarely do you see a basketball player land a punch. Unless it’s on a fan like in the Palace.

            • Ivan

              Baseball be reckless when they swing, alot grabbing and stuff. In basketball they really be tryin to actually like fight, at least they got some technique albeit far from a boxer.

              Besides, didn’t Frank Francisco threw a chair at a fan years back in Oackland.

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Here’s the thing though… Name a good basketball fight, where punches were landed and craziness ensued. You’ve got that business in Detroit a few years back, and not much else, right? There are a TON of baseball fights where guys are landing punches, and when there’s a good baseball fight you’ve got 30-40 guys on the field, it’s insane. Think about all the Yanks fights (Orioles, Sox, etc.), the Rays and the Sox (Gerald Williams putting Pedro on his ass will always be a favorite of mine), Kyle Farnsworth kicking ass while with the Cubs and Tigers… There’s just a ton of good baseball fights. Basketball, not so much. If you want to say the players in one sport swing recklessly, it’s gotta be basketball. How many basketball fights do you see where the guys just close their eyes, swing, and miss everything completely?

                • Ivan

                  I hate to mention this but I got to, what about Chris Childs snuffing the shit out of Kobe.

                  What about lil Nate Robinson slamming the shit out of JR Smith.

                  I will admit though, that fight between the O’s and Yanks was classic, especially when Strawberry and Girardi was gonna rip Benitez head off.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Childs-Kobe? They barely hit each other! It’s not even a close-call – baseball fights are much better than basketball fights.

                • Ivan

                  Childs just laid an absolute punch on Kobe. Of course they broke it up but still.

                • Ivan

                  Or when Shaq and Barkley got it on.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Eh. You’re the lone “basketball fights are better than baseball fights” voice and it’s a silly argument anyway. Agree to disagree.

            • Ivan

              As a knick fan, I use to love the fights between the Knicks and Heat, how many managers/coaches like Van Gundy would put themselves to fight an opponent.

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Don Zimmer is saddened by your omission of his name from your comment. And Zim actually went out there with the intent to fight, not break it up. Zim’s a killer.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            I’d say baseball. The don’t happen often, but when they do they’re usually epic.

    • JeffG

      All time best – Nolan Ryan beating the skull out of Robin Ventura.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I’ve always been partial to the beat-downs administered by Professor Farnsworth. I can never find videos of those fights, but he body-slammed a couple of guys. Was one of them Paul Wilson?

        The Ryan-Ventura thing was definitely awesome, but he’s not really landing good shots when he’s got Robin in the headlock. He’s just kinda lightly punching the top of his head.

        • Steve H

          It’s linked somewhere above, I love the Izzy Alcantra kicking the catcher in the chest to make sure he could get to the pitcher unimpeded. Classic stuff.

          • 27 this year

            yea that is what I said. that was hilarious, just like got hit turned around knocked out the catcher and just ran at the pitcher.

        • JeffG

          Yeah but the whole way Robin ran out there and just how easily Nolan turned it around on him that was some funny shit.

        • Steve
    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Sure this has been posted here before, but it’s awesome and relevant to this discussion:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmNSLoa_rFk

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        That’s hysterical.

      • JeffG

        That’s great.

      • Ivan

        LMAO, what a Pussy.

      • Steve

        That was hilarious.

        I wonder if theres any film of Piazza chasing down in Guillermo Mota spring training.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Another oldie but goodie, starring a familiar face:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

        • Ivan

          Too Late.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Eh, was writing the comment when Mike tossed it up.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    This has been one lame ass baseball game.

    • Ivan

      I miss the Simpsons and Family Guy for this.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Finally, something remotely interesting is happening.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    What happened with the fight? I was busy watching True Blood and MLB.TV is acting stupid.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      A bunch of nothing. The Phils threw at Martin (again), and the Dodgers threw at Victorino as payback. Both benches cleared, but there was just a bunch of yelling. It was pretty lame.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Oh, I saw on MLB.com how Manny was charging the mound, thought something went down.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Wow, Cory Wade had some kind of year. Who knew?

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wadeco01.shtml

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Is that Changeup good enough (as a third pitch) to make him a league-average starter?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Dunno.

      • Ivan

        I don’t know, but he sure got a heck of a fucking curveball.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    I love seeing any team that Rodney Harrison plays on fail.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He’s a prick. I remember when he blew out his knee a few years ago … I don’t want to say I was happy he got hurt, but I wasn’t sad.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        That MoFo had the nerve to call Osi Umenyiora and the Giants “dirty” this preseason.

    • E-ROC

      I can’t stand him either. Harrison plays too much beyond the whistle. I just wish somebody would just walk up to him and beat the brakes off him.

  • UWS

    Strahan moonlighting on Chuck?

  • Ivan

    This game is boring.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      For reals. Time to watch the Pats lose.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I love how the fans are booing Victorino when he didn’t even do anything. He just happened to be the guy Kuroda threw at as retaliation for Martin getting thrown at.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    LoL, is Tim McCarver really perched up there like that the entire game?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Broxton must be a little tired, the first pitch was only 99.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      You think they gave up on him as a starter too soon?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Nah, he couldn’t stay healthy in the rotation, and he doesn’t have a third pitch.